Answering the Friday mailbag: Morgellons disease “expert” Marc Neumann is very unhappy with Orac

LOLs:

I think my laywer in NY will take care about you if you don`t follow my gentle advice of removement.
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Remove the videos and my text til friday or I will charge you with 100.000 US dollar because you violate the copyright

“One hundred thousand dollars” [raises pinky to corner of mouth].

Yes yes, but what’s a factor of ten between friends?

Oh no! He’s going to charge you $100.000! I hope you are ready to pay out one hundred dollars to the tenth of a penny!

Wow, Neumann has really thrown his toys out of the pram today. What a tit. As always, another great smack down Orac.

To be fair to they guy, I believe in some places the usage of the comma and period are reversed, so what we might render as (say) $1,000.00, they would use $1.000,00.

With regards to everything else, I agree with Luna; complete nutter.

I can do whatever I want with these videos, ok?

Cranks always seem to have this weird power trip… “I dictate the terms! Whatevah! I do what I want! Respect my authoritah!”

I loved the little Orac –> Borac (a la Borat).

Alex, I’ll take childish insults for $200.

Wow, Neumann has really thrown his toys out of the pram today. What a tit.

I don’t even know what the means, but it sound awesome.

As for Neumann, sure, there’s some crazy there, but I’m not even sure he elevates to the Tim Bolen-level, much less the Nancy Luft gold standard.

And yes, as Dave Ruddell said, in Europe the usage of the comma and period are reversed in decimal quantities. There is plenty to criticize about Neumann, but his use of “$100.000” to mean one hundred thousand dollars is totally legit.

We should try hard not to make fun of his English difficulties, hilarious as they may be at times. I would probably sound just as dumb if I tried to write a legal threat in, say, Spanish, which I have only a fleeting knowledge of.

The confusion between YouTube poster and copyright holder, the complete inability to understand fair use, the crank-tastic response to criticism, the gonzo legal threats, the governmental conspiracy-mongering, etcetera…all of these things are plenty enough to criticize him, without having to resort to those things which are just a result of him being a native German.

Hello Neumann (with a vitriolic squint)

I hope his lawyer in New York, assuming he has one (and there are a lot of lawyers here, so it’s plausible) can explain to him the difference between “I have permission to use these” and “I can stop other people from using them.”

Of course, he can stop you and anyone else from linking to or embedding those videos by taking them down altogether. Or, at least, he can if “God’s Learning Channel” [I seem to recall warnings about hubris in the Christian as well as pagan Greek traditions] hasn’t put them up elsewhere, and even then, the web will be without his commentary. But to have it both ways, he’d have to host it somewhere else, with login-only access, and probably rack up hosting fees.

It does upset that he tarnishes one of the great names in high end vocal recording microphones, Neumann, by association. I’ll never be able to look at one again without laughing.

We should cut Mr. Neumann a break. It is difficult to type and scratch feverishly at the Morgellonian GMO organisms at the same time.

Of course it is possible that he does indeed speak four languages, all badly.

Don’t you love it when they try to hide the evidence of their crankery? Keep publishing the e-mails, Orac — let’s see if Neumann has any sense of shame.

Oh, and put up a screenshot of the e-mails, with full internet headers, so he can’t say that you “faked” or “altered” them — because you know that’ll be his next move.

Be careful, he’s got a lawyer… in New York!

DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

*Mein Gott in Himmel*!!First,Dieter, now Herr Neumann!!(actually, I was imagining his words being read *by* Dieter)But seriously, why are woo-meisters so obsessed with “cheeseburgers and coke”?** We should be hearing them on Mr. Clinton’s diet soon: Adams will post a four-part series; Null will do an investigative report into burgers and Big Government corruption;Weil & Ornish will be interviewed on CNN;Mercola will have product tie-in by Tuesday next.Ex-president’s ills are not off-limits if you have people to scare and products to sell.**(FYI: I haven’t eaten “red meat” for about 20 years, but not for woo-ish or PETA reasons)

*hoots* I hope he doesn’t think he has improved his public image by that little tirade. I’d hate for him to be disappointed, after all.

As for the “100.000” thing, this is because of the language issue. Most European countries, including Germany, use the decimal where we would use the comma, and vice versa. He means “one hundred thousand”.

Now, to deconstruct his little rant:

Dear Borac,

Oh, a name distortion! What a brilliant piece of repartee! I’m sure *nobody* would *ever* think of something like that. But it’s quite good writing, really, because your opening should always alert the reader to the intellectual level of the material to follow. This certainly achieves that.

I am the poster of the youtube videos with the permission of GLC. I can do whatever I want with these videos, ok?

Don’t be so sure. If GLC has indeed given you permission, Mr Neumann, then you have license to repost. But it is unwise to assume this to be an unlimited license. They would probably be offended, for instance, if you chose to make and then market a derivative work.

And one thing you definitely can’t do is defend their copyright. You have admitted you do not own these videos; therefore, you do not have any legal basis for asserting copyright over them.

Just look on the first displayed message of the first video and on youtube the name of the poster “marcmro”.

Yes, I think Orac is aware that you are the poster. That’s why he said you were more likely to be the copyright violator, as it is you, not he, who posted them to the Internet.

I blocked now all videos so you can see that I can block them or not allow to embed them whenever I want.. Can you dig it now?

Congratulations! You have learned the basics of YouTube! *golf clap* Of course, you did so after Orac advised you that it was a simpler way of getting what you wanted, so I don’t think this indicates you’re much of a “power user”.

Regarding my texts, if I wrote you officially as owner and author to remove them from your site because i don`t agree with your useless and discriminating pseudo medical blog writings about me and you have to respect my wish as author.

Nope; he does not have to respect your wish as an author. He has to respect your copyright, but he has done so; he reproduce only small sections of text, sufficient for commentary, with full attribution. This satisfies the “fair use” doctrine. You would not prevail should you choose to sue him.

Yes, mostly US afflicted because USA don`t care anymore about their own citizins. Anyway it is a country which never cared about any rights of humans or nature, and so you now.

Really? America is one of the more libertarian nations on Earth, which is part of the reason why people can get away with exploiting the desperate for so long. Hint: just because people want to be cured of their ailments doesn’t make it right to promise what you can’t deliver and then happily take your money. You’re like a lawyer who happily takes a fee from someone trying to sue for violations of a copyright which he does not hold, without informing his client of the indefensibility of his position. (Which means that maybe you will be meeting someone rather like yourself soon.)

It is *legal* to do what you do. And I guess financially, you are fortunate of that.

On the top, I don`t need donut dummies like you which are treating me in a ridiculous way in a public blog using even my own texts therefore and laughing about my English spelling.

While it is true that grammar/spelling flames are among the lowest sorts of criticism on the Internet, Orac was mostly criticizing your content. The best response you have is a pretty ineffective attempt to muzzle him. That strongly suggests to me that you don’t actually have any real counterarguments, and thus you’d prefer people didn’t ask you inconvenient questions. You’re like the great and powerful Oz telling Dorothy to pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

I don`t need that and I don`t like that. You can criticize me but not offending me in public. And now you write me in your pussyfooter style, oh dear Mr. Neumann, bla, bla, bla…

Orac? Pussyfooter? BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! This is “Respectful Insolence”. Sounds like you’re asking for some to be dished right in your direction. (The last one was really aimed at Dr Arafiles, not you. You just took some collateral damage.)

I realize you are not a natural-born American, and so some aspects of our culture are unfamiliar to me. I also know that Germany practices censorship, so perhaps you are not prepared for one of the greatest principles of American society:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

That is the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America. Study it well, for it is very significant to the copyright claims you have made. Freedom of speech. Orac can say whatever he likes. So can you. That’s just it — freedom of speech goes both ways, and you have no right to not be offended. If you don’t want to be offended, pull the Ethernet cable out of your computer, turn off the TV, turn off the radio, lock the doors, and never go outside.

I am sorry that my English is not enough, but I speak actually 4 languages and English is not my best but probably better than your German, right?

Stop apologizing for your English. It’s not perfect, but it’s as good as a lot of folks on the Internet, and you certainly speak well enough to be understood. We know what you’re saying, well enough to call it out as bullshit. Don’t hide behind language barriers which frankly don’t exist — you speak well enough to be considered fluent. So what if you have an accent? That’s not important. What’s important is that you are saying nonsense.

I think my laywer in NY will take care about you if you don`t follow my gentle advice of removement.

If your lawyer is willing to charge you money for that, you’re being cheated. Or, you’re a bully and so’s your lawyer, but just so you know, that particular strategy only works if you’ve got a wimp on the other side.

Are you unemployed with a lot of time to write the whole day rubbish? Probably you are fat and more than overweight sitting between cheesburgers and coke, right?

Orac is verbose, but he’s not unemployed. He’s a professional scientist and a surgical oncologist. I’ve seen a picture of him (real him, not the plastic blinky box); he’s actually in very good physical condition. And quite good looking, I must say.

Anyway, I don`t care about Dr. Arafiles or any other physicians but me…But I have to ask you, why are you blaming Dr. Arafiles?

So, I take it you did not actually read anything Orac wrote on the subject? That might explain why you think you have a case — you haven’t bothered to actually examine any evidence.

Let’s see, why attack Arafiles?

* performs surgeries at a hospital where he doesn’t have surgical privileges (including skin grafts, which are a pretty delicate procedure requiring special care before and after)

* performs untested surgical procedures, still in a hospital where he’s not supposed to be doing those

* treats confidential patient information as his own personal direct-mail advertising list (a direct violation of HIPAA and several other ethics rules)

* uses his ER presence to push his own products rather than concentrating on patient needs

* conceals the impaired status of his medical license

* exploits political connections to ferret out and punish those who call him out on his misdeeds

On top of all that, he’s selling stuff that has never been scientifically tested for efficacy, dose, or safety at a huge price markup, and you can see all that right on his own webpage. You don’t have to know him to know he’s a fraud. You just have to look at the evidence laid out in the criminal case against the nurse, and at the claims he himself makes.

I feel sorry for them but they could also fix that problem first with the director of the hospital instead doing all behind the doors and now thy cry loud about.

If you feel sorry for them, you should at least bother to learn the facts. They *did* go through hospital channels first. The hospital did nothing. They had no choice left but to file a complaint with the state medical board. That’s called going up the chain of command.

To let you know; Morgellons disease is caused from a biological insecticide, spread from US companies without any care if immunocompromised humans or animals gets sick from it. If you want i can send you a few medical reports about such infections, exactely with the same type of fungi used from pesticide industry.

You are aware, are you not, that pesticides are meant to *kill* fungus? I would be interested to see your reports, but from what you’ve said so far, I’m not very optimistic that they’ll contain actual evidence. I am willing to be proven otherwise.

So many are suffering from this disease and killing themself after a long painful fighting. Most from USA…So forgive me that I help them as a German and not as an American!!

Most from USA? Are you aware that Morgellons was first recognized in France? Strange, that. And due to pesticides, eh? The first case was in 1690. Maybe the recent surge of interest in Morgellons is tied to the organic food industry, since they’ve been returning to older, more “traditional” pesticides. That would be ironic indeed. Though perhaps less marketable for you. It is quite fashionable to find diseases tied to modern life. It helps ease the guilt of living in a land of such astounding wealth as the US to pretend that there is some horrible affliction that results from this wealth.

In truth, though, I do not deny that people are suffering greatly who have been labeled as “Morgellons sufferers”. The really sad thing to me is that this does not appear to be a real disease but rather a collection of people with various problems who have found their way to quacks who group them together for convenience rather than for their benefit. How many of them really have undiagnosed diabetes? Cancer? Allergies? (The last are probably the most easily treated, yet if you treat them as if they have parasites, they’re not going to get better.)

Remove the videos and my text til friday or I will charge you with 100.000 US dollar because you violate the copyright, on the top insulting me and my work in public!!

Good luck with that. Insults are permissible; there is overwhelming case law behind that.

In your case I would remove them if you still have a brain after all that good GMO food consumption…Nobody wants American mass products made without any brain or quality!

If you care about American people, why do you want us to avoid American products? Outsourcing is a major reason why so many Americans are out of a job right now. And no brain or quality? Are you saying Americans can’t make good products?

Huh. And you’re the one who claims to care about Americans.

BTW, GMO food couldn’t have caused Morgellons in 1690. Though I’d be interested to hear what it is that makes GMO food able to cause illness, or what the magic is that makes laboratory manipulation of genes deadlier than the old fashioned kind (aka “husbandry”). I mean, talk about Frankenfood — have you even *seen* wild corn? No? Exactly. There’s no such thing. It’s an entirely manufactured species. Thousands of years of selective breeding have produced something so utterly unrecognizable compared to its wild relatives that you’d never think they were even related.

(By the way, how’d you get from pesticides to fungus to GMO as the cause of Morgellons? These are all quite different beasts. One would think you were just grabbing whatever seems to be fashionable to fear at the moment, rather than actually doing research.)

Best regards and wishes
Marc Neumann

Taken and returned in the spirit intended, I’m sure.

One fun game to play with cranks when they start waving the “Ooooh! I’ve got a scaaaaaaary lawyer” flag is to remind them that barratry is against the law. You’ll then have to educate them as to what barratry *is*, mind you, but at least it makes a change from whatever other “argument” they’re using.

There’s no such thing as “fair use” in Germany. All use is unfair there. Also, will he accept 100k in Deutsch Marks.

He got one thing right — you do like a good cheeseburger.

P.S. You are keeping the videos, right? Pleeeeezzzzeeee! Maybe you can make him go into an even bigger hissy fit!

Hey Wes: Even if Orac were somehow misinformed about Morgellons, what does that have to do with his right to post the aforesaid videos and text? Hell, even if he was criticizing a legitimate study about an actual disease, his point would stand: no copyright holder and “fair use” means there’s not IP abuse.

I love Morgellons, I really do. The anti-GMO cranks couldn’t pin any real ailment on genetic engineering (not that that stopped them), so they made one up! Morgellons is sort of like the Wakefield thing: You would think the craziness of the Wakefield study would be a blow to the anti-vax movement by showing people the kind of rubbish they’ll follow, but so many of them still believe it. Same with Morgellons. You would think inventing your own novelty disease would damage the reputation anti-GMO movement, but here again, a lot seem buy into that one too. I guess it’s like they say; when you open yourself to one crank idea you open yourself to lots of other crank ideas.

His prowess as an Intellectual Property attorney is exceeded only by his knowledge of medical science.

I would probably sound just as dumb if I tried to write a legal threat in, say, Spanish….

…or if one tried to write a legal threat, in any language, knowing nothing about the law. This lack of knowledge of law, medicine, science, whatever, is no handicap for the True Crank, though, as long as he yells loud enough (or the exclamation point/caps lock equivalent).

Tengo un pleito contra tu madre para la infracción de derecho de autor de mi Johnson.

Note the Addendum, everyone. Mr. Neumann is back.

The dude is clearly disturbed, which is why I’ll stop.

Good idea. Sounds like he has some issues quite aside from supposed Morgellons.

Are you unemployed with a lot of time to write the whole day rubbish? Probably you are fat and more than overweight sitting between cheesburgers and coke, right?

He forgot to add, “… blogging from your mother’s basement.”

Hilarious!

“It was to me a huge effort doing it having brain fog etc. and without any control monitor! ”

I’ll say.

Neumann: “My first thought was that (Arafiles) is a quack jumping on the morgellons train to make more money out of the sufferers as many others too.”

Maybe his “brain fog” isn’t so bad after all.

Don’t you know that it’s time to get on board
And let this Morgellons train keep on riding, riding on through
Well, well
People all over the world (send us your money)
Join hands (wear gloves)
Start a Morgellons train, Morg train

Hope this doesn’t precipitate nasty e-mail from the O’Jays.

When you think about it, the strange thing is that he wants you to remove the videos in the first place. So what if you’re criticizing them? If he made the videos — and he thinks they’re well done, and convincing — then this allows your readers to view his best case.

Imagine the opposite situation: you and/or the folks at Science-Based Medicine make some informational videos on, say, the benefits and safety of vaccines. You’re proud of them, you send them to u-tube hoping they get popular. These videos subsequently get embedded and posted on Age of Autism and whaleto. — where they are then deconstructed and mocked.

You would be amazed and thrilled! They posted the pro-science videos. People who go to those sites can actually watch them, and not just get the strategically filtered strawman version of “what skeptics believe.”

It wouldn’t happen, of course. But, given the hypothetical situation, the very last thing you’d do is protest. If you could, you’d send them more videos.

Marc Neumann seems to be tacitly accepting the fact that his argument is so weak that it needs a sympathetic, receptive audience who is lead gently by the hand and urged in the right direction. Does he not even hope for a convert, on the merits of his case alone? Evidently, no.

Shawn Smith: ROTFL!!!! He is welcome to try. Mind you, I can’t remove anything from Orac’s blog, including my own posts…

I want to go at his addendum now (though I wonder if I should first hop over to his site to see what he makes of my IP address, which isn’t a pharmaceutical company’s network — aw, shucks, I just did and got nothing more htan a “Page Not Available” note suggesting he’s decided to take it down.)

I have lyme and clamydia p. infection. What do you expect from me? Hope you understand what that means?

That you have itching and burning in sensitive locations, making you rather irritable?

Let me put it in this way regarding critics; I am not sensitive to criticism as i wrote you already, but it seems to me that you can not distinguish criticism from diffamation or insultation.

Really? You’re not sensitive to criticism? You have a funny way of showing it.

As well I must say that i don`t like the fact that you seeked and found among 100 pages some errors on my site to have some ammunition for your cheap blog.

Blame Dr Arafiles; Orac found your site while investigating him to see if he was merely incompetent or something more.

Many US people are writing me daily and it seems to me that they are not able to write a good English, too.

Tell me about it! I have a degree in English, and it frustrates me daily to see how poorly my fellow Americans manage the English language. I have no problem whatsoever with foreigners having difficulty. English is not the easiest language to learn. I really don’t think you need to apologize for your English. It may not be perfect, but you speak well enough to be understood. Well enough for us to comfortably criticize your content, which I note you still have not attempted to defend.

My first thought was that he is a quack jumping on the morgellons train to make more money out of the sufferers as many others too.

I’m convinced that he is. If he can find a condition, real or otherwise, which he can use to persaude people to buy grape juice from him at a markup equivalent to fine French wine, then he will use it.

*per volume, I think Clos Vouegeout is roughly equivalent, though I haven’t bought any of that in a while and may have the price wrong

Therfore I don`t need small brains like the people on your blog if they have no empathy for the situation and my daily work.

I have tremendous empathy for the people who suffer. For people who prey on them, however, I have no sympathy at all. I do not know whether you personally prey on Morgellons sufferers. However, your behavior does not fill me with confidence.

Only losers can criticize others, because they can not doing such a work.

Is that why you criticize Orac and the people who comment on his blog, then?

I am tired after 5 years doing actually the job of those who get payed for it; the physicians!! So don`t worry i had to take a lot of criticism during these 5 years of helping people with a so called Delusional parasitosis.

Are you seriously suggesting that a) you are able to fill the job of a physician (which involves more than just treating people with Morgellons, and involves knowing what other conditions can trigger similar symptoms) and b) you aren’t getting paid for it? If not, how are you making a living?

But how can anybody claim this with a lack of knowledge? Only stupid ignorants. Just watch the pictures of the sufferers and you must agree that such sores etc. are not just imagination or neurodermatitis, but a mycotic infection, not UFO, chemtrails or other US conspiracy rubbish.

I have seen pictures of Morgellons sufferers. It is unquestionable that they are suffering, and in some cases suffering greatly. They’ve developed massive patches of eczema, and some of them look quite painful. As to what’s causing the eczema, well, I’m not a doctor. I’ve also seen pictures of fibers. I only know what I’ve educated myself about, and that limits the options I can imagine. But they aren’t all limited to “I don’t know what this is, so I’m going to assume it’s some kind of infestation.”

I think the biggest tragedy with Morgellons is not that mainstream doctors don’t always believe their Internet-aided self-diagnosis. It’s that the patients themselves get so attached to the diagnosis that it becomes impossible for anyone to find out the real problem. And there are “practitioners” who will feed that attachment in order to keep them coming back for more “treatments”.

Did you know that itching alone can lead to eczema? It can. Delusional parasitosis can indeed lead to lesions such as these. The way it works is this: person thinks they have bugs under their skin, so they scratch, which damages the skin, which makes the skin irritated, which makes them itchy, so they scratch more, so the skin gets damaged further, and round and round it goes. Really, anything that makes you itchy (imagined or not — and the imagination is extremely powerful when it comes to itchiness) can thus lead to eczema. While that likely doesn’t describe all the cases you’ve seen, if you have an ounce of ethics in your body, you will consider it when diagnosing patients. After all, giving antifungals to a person without a fungal infection is not good for them.

What should I say now? Just remove my text which was also not corrected well and as author I can force you do do so! It is my work and you have to respect my wish as author.

You are wrong. If Orac were reprinting your entire website or substantial portions of it, you could order him to take it down. But he is not doing that. He is quoting your text for the purpose of commentary, and that is allowed under the law.

If you think that America is still the wild west and the internet too, then you are wrong with your simply mind thinking!

America is not the wild west, but you seem to think it is, by thinking that you can rule by threats.

I can track your IP address and finding out over your provider who you are, to send you the charge…

I already know who Orac is, and I didn’t bother tracing his IP address. As far as finding his provider, well, it shouldn’t take a mental giant to work out that it is ScienceBlogs.

Why you don`t start to analize morgellons on your blog without declairing all others nuts who work on the problem. Man, do you really think me and others are idiots and doing it because we have nothing better to do? Why you don`t start to work on that if you have such much time for stupid blogs…

Project, much? Orac didn’t even discuss the reality of Morgellons — only that there is a high degree of crank magnetism associated with it. If you are protesting, it can only mean that you identify with the crank aspect.

The morgellons problem is real and we are in the same situation as with AIDS 30 years ago. Did you know how difficult it was for afflicted 30 years ago to recognize AIDS and getting treatments? Same problem now.

AIDS was impossible to ignore 30 years ago. Granted, not everybody believed it was associated with HIV. But the syndrome itself was and is unmistakable. It is not the nebulous entity that Morgellons appears to be.

To let you know; Dr. Arafiles did lost the trial against the nurses. It sadisfies me but it makes me sad too.

Lost the trial against the nurses? It wasn’t him against the nurses. It was the state against the nurses. Granted, Arafiles was the one pulling the strings, by getting his cronies (the sheriff and district attorney) to illegally find the anonymous complainants and pursue absurd criminal charges against them, so in a sense, this was his war against the nurses rather than the actual pursuit of justice which it should have been.

They are just sellers for the pharmaceutical industry, you too?

Strictly speaking, no — doctors are not supposed to sell medication (though there are some medications which have to be administered by the clinic — vaccines, injectable birth control, etc.). They refer patients to pharmacies, which sell the medication. Of course, some doctors do want to get in on that action, usually by selling “supplements” which can fly under the radar of regulatory bodies on the lookout for conflicts of interest.

By the way I don`t like colloidal silver or any other crab medication too.< ?i>

Remove my text now it`s friday and let me know if you are interested to post clear evidences what morgellons are and where they are coming from. If not, then forget it I don`t have time to prove anything for some pseudo scientific blogs. My life and time is too precious to waste it with brainless ignorants who knows all better…

Yes, I can see you are *very* passionate about sharing information about Morgellons, with an attitude like that.

Take care and watch out for morgs in your food…

Wait, I thought you said they were caused by pesticides doing something to immunocompromised people? Or was it fungus? GMOs? Um . . . you might have better luck if you pick something and stick to it. Might help you give the impression you actually care enough to do real *work* to find out what your clients really have.

I admit my confusion…

I swear that Dr. Egon Spengler was able to demonstrate conclusively that the treatment for fluorescent ecto-parasites involved high voltage electricity and proton accelerator backpack treatment devices.

but then, I think I remember that the Morgellon’s were the people that had been waging war for generations using computer simulations, against the planet VENDICAR?

Help me…. Spock. Help me…

I don’t know…this is a bit too much like making fun of the crazy street person who stands on the corner and yells at people.

I don’t know…this is a bit too much like making fun of the crazy street person who stands on the corner and yells at people.

Exactly why I am not going to post any of the additional e-mails he has sent to me. Enough’s enough. Mr. Neumann deserved a public slapdown, but anything more is piling on. In fact, I’m tempted to remove my addendum because that may have been one step over the line for me.

as per #68 from the Dangerous Bacon….

WOW!!!
if that is only a partial list of the myriad benefits of colloidal silver… one can only imagine (the mind BOGGLES!) at what we can accomplish with Colloidal Gold… or perhaps Colloidal Oatmeal?

can you treat West Texas chainsaw medico-legal idiocy with colloidal silver… ’cause there seems to have been an outbreak in WINKIE County Sheriff’s office!

Is #64 spam?

i think not spam at #64

I think a spoof like parody of the grammar and syntax of the original postings of Mr Marc Neumann. the #64 poster may have entered his thoughts into an on line YODA-speak translator..
because sounds it like backwards he speaks!

@58

Bein’ nit-picky…flag burning is protected free speech.

Especially important as a pyre is the proper way to dispose of an old flag.

Dangerous: Am I the only one puzzled that she left autism off her list?

It ain’t an amendment until it’s passed the whole process. AFAIK, it hasn’t even passed the House yet. It would have to pass the House and the Senate and be ratified by the states. And strictly speaking, the amendment would not make flag burning illegal. Rather, it would grant Congress the authority to ban flag burning as a form of political protest.

Calli Arcale @ 79

Rather, it would grant Congress the authority to ban flag burning as a form of political protest. prohibit all forms of flag desecration.

Fixed

I only have one word to say when it comes to Swine Flu –

BAXTER !

How the H1N1 vaccine will kill you!
http://obambi.wordpress.com/2009/09/11/how-the-h1n1-swine-flu-shot-will-kill-you/

Hey Chris, here is my proof:

http://www.sv40foundation.org/index.html

That one may or may not help. If not here is one that will surely help you with the evidence:

http://obambi.wordpress.com

I think you will find it interesting. It’s right up your alley.

“I(f) they had been healthier, the swine flu would have passed and not killed them”

A classic example of the altie fixation on blaming the patient.

Just like when people suffer permanent blue-gray skin discoloration from using colloidal silver, or suffer the health consequences of using any number of supplements – “it’s their fault – they weren’t doing it right!”

“Enough’s enough. Mr. Neumann deserved a public slapdown, but anything more is piling on. In fact, I’m tempted to remove my addendum because that may have been one step over the line for me.”

Nah, leave it up, Orac. It serves as the classic confirmation of his nuttiness. One wacky e-mail could just be chalked up to the guy’s current mood, but three in a row? And of such amazing quality? In this case, it demonstrates just what sorts of people are among those who most often attack you and attack science.

“Foolishly (I know, I know, don’t tell me I’m an idiot for doing this; I know it was a mistake)”

I know it’s cruel but I love provoking cranks. The more they are provoked, the less sense they make. After a few minutes, you’re arguing against a 5 year old, basically. Of course, Neumann sending a tsunami of straw men in your direction had to be expected. Please don’t remove the addendum, it is priceless. Ironic that this retard shares his last name with one of the most brilliant mathematicians of all time.

Ooohoohoo! That’s hilarious! “I’m threatening you with my non-existent lawyers because the clamidia made me do it!” Aaahahahaha! Usually god makes them do it – and sometime the devil – but this is the first time I’ve heard the clamidia excuse. 🙂

That gives me an idea for another excuse: “I was threatened with Aspergillus Niger!”

back in the 70s I injured my knee — skinned and cut it up fairly badly. not bad enough to require stitches, but bad enough. cloth fibers from my pants, my pajamas, bedclothes and even my bath towel would stick to the wound and even appear to be growing out of it. It was not “Mogellons”.
It was just freakin cloth fibers that got stuck to the blasted wound. painful to debride, but not spooky or even the slightest bit mysterious. why am I still awake and writing replies at this hour?
Goodnight, folks.

A search on Copyrights in the US under the name Marc Neumann turned up ZERO results, ZERO results for MRO, ZERO results for M-R-O, ZERO results for Morgellons Research Organization.

I did get 2 results for morgellons under the name of George Robert Schwartz.

It is possible that he’s filed under a different country, Germany to be more specific, but I’m having trouble finding a database to search German copyright records

Nah, Orac is right — it’s really time to stop mocking Neumann. It’s really starting to look like picking on the kids on the short bus.

Seriously, some people have brain issues, and this is no more their fault than pancreatic issues would be. It’s not ok to pick on people with bipolar disorder or schizophrenia, either. No-one has any real idea what’s happened in this person’s life for him to end up here.

Dammit! Here I am, a proponent of science/evidence-based medicine and I’m *still* not getting those payoffs from Big Pharma! What’s the deal here? I haven’t even got the Sooper Seekret Decoder Ring yet! I wish those pharma-folk would get their act together. And while I’m a frequent visitor at Pharyngula and have participated in many, many totally unscientific and utterly worthless polls, P.Z.’s never asked me to fornicate one. Not even once not being that way inclined.

Here is a hilarious example of a colloidal silver snake oil salesman being “censored with extreme prejudice” by 5 dragons.

Hat tip to “Chris” for originally posting this link.

Mr. Neumann’s website seems to have disappeared.

Mr. Neumann’s website seems to have disappeared.

Only the English language version. The German language version is still up:

http://www.morgellons-research.org/morgellons2/

Copyright is automatic in the U.S. as well–we’re signatory to the Berne Convention–but registering a copyright means you can get statutory damages for infringement, rather than having to prove actual damages. (Even this blog comment will be copyrighted when you see it. That doesn’t mean I have a chance of getting anything if someone reprints it elsewhere–nor do I care, if they do so accurately.)

@Hairy Palms:

Stop supporting Big Pharma and their censorship techniques…

You owe me a new irony meter.

OPEN INTERNET LETTER TO ORAC FOR ALL LYME BOARDS, BLOGS AND TWITTER.

DEAR HONEY-BUNNY ORAC,

Why should I not be amused about your postings? Who told you that? Do you have occasional delusional conceptions? Man, I think I have still more humor than you, and I love any publicity, even bad publicity, to start a discussion about Lyme and Morgellons diseases.
Thanks, pal. I really appreciate your promotion efforts. Nevertheless, here is my answer to your fecal smut-slang postings…Enjoy it!!

After your big excremental blog show, I got lots of emails from all over the world, including from sufferers and physicians. All have the same opinion about you: that you are not such brilliant (useless melanocytes research) and never interested in the truth and have no ambitions to learn more in order to help people, and that you are just paid by BIG PHARMA companies. Many doctors have had enough of them, as they corrupt medicine.

Maybe you don’t have the ability to recognize that you just show the world how evil, uneducated, narcissistic and unethical you are. Or should I say all doctors? I won’t, as most doctors do have a brain and are not so infantil (childish) as you. Also, to let you know, I am updating anyway my site now, so I don’t have time to react always to all your provocative kindergarten postings from your poor students.

On the contrary to you, I have a work every day to do! I don´t even have time to review errors on my English site all the time, after cheap Google translations and despite having helpers around to correct it. But what a miracle, thank God, I have you and your friends now who can find errors and correct them, line by line, in my favor. Actually, I have to thank you for that. Thanks, buddy, I will send all my new articles to you first, ok? And all for free, wow…

Regarding my copied text (copyright violation), I told you already to remove it from your blog, but you don’t respond. I just don’t want to repeat it again, do we have to play the lawsuit game now? Anyway, I am a gambler too, so let’s play the game with your own rules.

The only one who can lose this game is you, Baby! I have lost already everything in my life and nolens volens (nilly-willy) I have to do research on my own because the medical and scientific community does nothing to help us!! And now you have the nerve to blame me therefore in public??

You have caused for such a long time a tremendous pain to many people with your disgusting and disinformative blogs. And since you have started ridiculing me on your blog, my site has been spammed from your bloggers and some tried also to hack my network. Sorry, no chance for them!! Ooh la la, and they don`t even know that I have all their IP-addresses.

Man, what`s actually going on here?? It is getting almost criminal now and making me feel threatened by you (not really, watching your picture!).

But to remind you, I don’t have anything to lose but you. It`s just your own reputation!! And many wrote to me that you should at least lose face once and be blamed in public, as you do daily with others. They wrote also, that you just deserve more visitors and I don`t agree with that in no way, to make it clear!! (also to avoid some Internet virus from
your blogs). I don`t want to be in the middle of any old or new war against you (yuk)!!

To let you know, allmost all Lyme and Morgellons organizations, doctors, nurses and patients want to stand by my side, even lawyers. I can`t count the emails anymore…Man, you have started an avalanche, off-putting yourself as final result (clever!).

Many want to start now a D-DAY against you. If thousands of users do visit your blogs your server will collapse. Actually, this is even legal. They are doing nothing wrong, just posting on all your blogs. What if they visit by the tens of thousands, or even 100,000 or more per minute? Very scary! By the way, is my comma position correct now, darling?

Anyway, may I ask you again, as in my previous emails to you (which you did not post first? Ouchhhh!), what happened in your life that made you so evil and unsatisfied? Or are you just a natural born maniac who has never achieved much in life and so started this and other blogs to have a voice, finally, and to release all that anger inside you? Don’t be a coward. Let us all know your pain! Nobody who has a brain is visiting your blogs. Did you knew this? Most of your daily bloggers are probably just oafs…

Everybody with a psychological education can recognize that something went wrong in your life. Tell me what? Small willy, Mr. Ugly in person or a bad childhood? Or are you gay and your friend Jim or Mike has left you? Come on, take it easy, TEX. You will find another one! Tell me, what`s your favorite song? “I AM YOUR BOOGEY MAN”? I assume hardly that it`s “YMCA”, correct? Some whistleblower wrote me that…

Hope that this is not offending your feelings. HO, HO, HO, to cite your own words: “If you are such a gentle flower who cannot handle criticism, perhaps the Internet is not the place for you. It’s rough out here, and you don’t appear to be suited for it.” (Druit Orac Oracle, the Internet philosopher of the year).

Let’s see who is suited for it or not, BILLY BOY. I don’t have to fear a hypocrite like you and I have the right of free speach too…You do have an insane misunderstanding about criticism, you confuse it with ridiculing and blaming others. May I laugh about your personal picture now?

What would you say if somebody is posting it together with your hospital phone number, perhaps just for fun, on all gay, leather, latex or spanking blogs? HO, HO, HO!! Would you like that? Isn`t that exactly your definition of criticism or fun? Hope you can see the difference now…

As you can see, I have done some little research on you, too. May I continue later? Checking perhaps all gay boards in Detroit and around, just to see if I can find something more about you. Do you want me to do that? I can have fun too, and I think I should post this little article on my site and the Lyme and Morgellons community does it on all other

worldwide blogs and Twitter. It`s the freedom of speach, David!! “It’s rough out here and if you are such a gentle flower…”.

So let’s see further:
What is actually your main problem?
You blame, provoke and offend persons in public with a passion, this seems to me not normal but abnormal and insane. What kind of surgeon has so much time to dedicate to blogs, day by day, hour by hour? You should rather take more care for your patients, if you have any left.

You have the nerve to call me a coward in public and furthermore to claim that I write emails to you as Dr. Arafiles?? Again, do you have delusional disorders? My tip! Please call 911…Or take your time and have rather a chelation treatment or take a ride on some psychologist’s couch (you need it definitely!!) before accusing me of falsifying identity or documents.

There is no need for me to use pseudonyms to write you emails. I do it under my real name because I have nothing to hide. The only one who needs pseudonyms is you Orac Borac —Profiting from the cancer industry while disparaging effective treatment? Or are you perhaps the alter ego of Dr. Offit for Profit (new lover??), the misleading front man of vaccine companies?

http://www.michaelgitter.com/?p=1109&cpage=1#comment-3262

Wow, what a handsome womanizer (pardon manizer) you are…

Also, you write bad articles first, and then you and your smart student friends log in later as regular bloggers to comment your own articles in order to promote your own blog to attract more bloggers. What is the real purpose of this blog, come on tell us all? It has nothing to do with science! Anyway, it’s a cheap pusher trick, but it is already old, buddy. Get updated man, we live in 2010!

Actually, I think that you are just a bully who blames people systematically, perhaps for money? It reminds me to the “Organized Crime” (medical Mafia?). “Mamma mia, ho davvero paura adesso!!”. Apparently it`s a big business to destroy others reputations, perhaps organized over a worldwide network of blogs.

No normal person would waste so much time on it without getting paid. I think it’s called “RENT A BLAMER” to destroy others’ lives, right? I just believe that you get paid to do so, and you do pay your rat pack of uneducated students as ghostwriters.

Oh my goodness, or do you pick somebody to blame every week just for fun, because you are a cyber-stalker and sick little monkey with a small willy? Oh David, I feel so sorry for you, that you really never had fun in your life and now you act like a little J. Edgar Hoover. Or are you even the reincarnation of Machiavelli? Oh boy, you do really look like him!! Not??

http://www.online-literature.com/machiavelli/

You don`t have any reason to target and blame all kind of U.S. doctors, Dr. Arafiles or me. Who works, makes errors, also physicians, and this, day by day. Just because nobody is perfect, omnipotent or GOD. This world don`t need new inquisitors like you!! We have already enough problems on this planet to face.

To remind you: In former times ALL doctors were called quacks, no matter what they have used as medication. Most, but not all doctors are today just sellers of pharmaceutical companies, and also from these products many patients had severe side effects or have died.

Hmm, let’s see, who is interested in discrediting and destroying my or Arafiles’ life and blaming Lyme and Morgellons sufferers? Is it the pesticide or pharmaceutical industry that pays you? Or perhaps the nurses which you use as instrument to exploit the situation?

https://www.respectfulinsolence.com/2010/02/answering_the_friday_mailbag_morgellons.php

After your postings, I saw a few pharmaceutical companies in my server statistics coming from your blogs. I traced them to see what kind of products they are selling. Bingo!! Many manufacture bio-insecticides. Ooh la la. Fine, they will get the bill sooner or later. Every big company or university visiting my site gets registered and checked automatically. Just to let you know, that’s my hobby.

Last but not least, regarding the comment on your blog that Lyme, even the cystic form, is gone after 3 weeks of antibiotics is such an ignorant point of view from idiots (this is no science!!), and this statement helps only the pharmaceutical industry. Otherwise, nobody would use their uneffective antibiotics, only alternative medications, which are banned by the FDA, doctors and BIG PHARMA companies. Make an educated guess why?

Don`t be a coward and let this letter be posted on your blog. Or is this answer to your crap articles too unpleasant? It`s simply the truth about you and you should recognize it asap, dude!! Otherwise, “Sic transit gloria medici”.

Hope my English was good enough for you? If not, correct it please!!

Sincerly yours (PUAH! NO WAY, YUK!!)

Marc Neumann

{Orac note: There have been a couple of redactions in this, but I have the original version in the e-mail Movable Type sends to me containing the original text. I’ve also forwarded it to a friend.}

Ooh. La. La.

(And a disgusting homophobe, too. How surprising.)

The only one who can lose this game is you, Baby!

Dirty Dancing 4: It’s On

I take back what I said earlier about not picking on him. If the kid from the short bus is the one who picks the fight himself….

“I just believe that you get paid to do so, and you do pay your rat pack of uneducated students as ghostwriters.”

WHERE’S MY CHECK ORAC.

All have the same opinion about you: that you are not such brilliant (useless melanocytes research) and never interested in the truth and have no ambitions to learn more in order to help people

Really? You’re the one who isn’t interested in scientifically studying Morgellons, nor in exploring alternate explanations for the afflicted. You’ve got a name, and stuff you can sell people, so you’re content to leave it at that.

Regarding my copied text (copyright violation), I told you already to remove it from your blog, but you don’t respond. I just don’t want to repeat it again, do we have to play the lawsuit game now?

You’ve been told, and your lawyer ought to tell you also, that the fair use doctrine (which is well established case law) protects Orac in this case. It is permissable to quote material for the purpose of commentary. Go ahead and sue; he’ll countersue to recoup legal costs, and the only people happy will be the lawyers. You’ll end up paying for all the expenses. Assuming, that is, you can find a lawyer unethical enough (or stupid enough) to take on an unwinnable case.

You have caused for such a long time a tremendous pain to many people with your disgusting and disinformative blogs.

Orac almost never discusses Morgellons. You appear to have an inflated opinion of yourself.

It is getting almost criminal now and making me feel threatened by you (not really, watching your picture!).

Are you seriously saying that disagreeing with you constitutes a threat?

If thousands of users do visit your blogs your server will collapse. Actually, this is even legal. They are doing nothing wrong, just posting on all your blogs. What if they visit by the tens of thousands, or even 100,000 or more per minute?

Denial of service attacks are illegal; however, a phenomenon similar to “slashdotting” a) is not and b) would be great! You do realize, don’t you, that Orac gets paid (a very small amount) for hits to this blog?

Small willy, Mr. Ugly in person or a bad childhood?

Project, much? Seriously, it’s very revealing that what you offer in response to Orac’s questions is not answers but rather personal attacks. This strongly suggests you don’t actually have any defense for your beliefs pertaining to Morgellons.

You do have an insane misunderstanding about criticism, you confuse it with ridiculing and blaming others.

Pot, kettle.

Or are you perhaps the alter ego of Dr. Offit for Profit (new lover??), the misleading front man of vaccine companies?

Interesting; nobody but you has mentioned Dr Offit. What relationship does he have with this situation at all? Why did you bring him up? Are you an anti-vaxxer offended that he asked inconvenient questions to which you lack answers?

Actually, I think that you are just a bully who blames people systematically, perhaps for money?

I think you are confusing Orac for Dr Arafiles.

After your postings, I saw a few pharmaceutical companies in my server statistics coming from your blogs. I traced them to see what kind of products they are selling. Bingo!! Many manufacture bio-insecticides.

I don’t think you know what server logs actually mean. The hits aren’t all from Orac; in fact, they are mostly from other people (readers of his blog). He is not employed by a pharmaceutical company. Oh, but you said you dug up lots of information on him, so surely you know that. So why did you say that? Either you are lying about having dug up lots of information on him (which is hilarious given that’s incredibly easy to work out who he is), or you’re making up the Big Pharma stuff.

Last but not least, regarding the comment on your blog that Lyme, even the cystic form, is gone after 3 weeks of antibiotics is such an ignorant point of view from idiots (this is no science!!), and this statement helps only the pharmaceutical industry. Otherwise, nobody would use their uneffective antibiotics, only alternative medications, which are banned by the FDA, doctors and BIG PHARMA companies. Make an educated guess why?

Oh, really? The alternative medications are all banned by the FDA? Most of what I’ve seen recommended is actually not only *allowed* by the FDA but even *licensed as a pharmaceutical*. Chelation therapy, for instance, usually uses FDA-approved chelating agents. Pharmaceuticals. Hmmm…. You seem to think anybody who promotes a pharmaceutical must be in the payroll of a pharmaceutical company, yet in this thread, the loudest promoter of such a thing is . . . you. Odd, that.

Don`t be a coward and let this letter be posted on your blog.

Dude, you posted it on his blog yourself.

Orac almost never discusses Morgellons.

Actually, this is the first time I can recall doing a post that deals with Morgellons other than perhaps having mentioned it in passing. If I had realized that I’d attract a Morgellons advocate who is more out there than any antivaccine loon that I’ve ever encountered (with the possible exception of John Best), I’d probably not have bothered.

I’m not sure I’m glad. Mr. Neumann’s rants go beyond cranky. However, he did want me to post his comment; so I did, with only very minor deletions. I am also considering posting Mr. Neumann’s comment on my “friend’s” blog in its entirety, completely unaltered.

Mr Neuman’s attacks are kind of like being mauled by a toothless sheep.

Did he really claim that the lurkers support him in email? I thought that one was so discredited even trolls didn’t use it these days.

Triskelethecat: That’s ridiculous. What are you, a conspiracy theorist or something? Our checks are coming, just give it time!

http://www.staningerreport.com/#nano911.html
ORAC get in and do some research!

He is absolutely on the money..Morgellons is a disease cause by big agri-pharma science gone WMD. Those who doubt should feel free to ingest as much GM food as needed to convince yourself.

There are, btw, extravagant theories of Morgellons that seem to escape your vilification, yet you attack Neumann?

http://www.staningerreport.com/#morgellons.html

Chris commented: Hello, I am on disability but it was for other reasons then Morgelloms. Over the past 2 years I have been trying and doing things to rid myself of this stuff and believe I have found and lowered my infection or infectation of Morgellons to a torerablye level. But here is something everybody suffering this stuff should know. It had spread from my eyebrows to my mustache. Oh Morgellons lives at the roots end of the hair follice. I have studied it there and chased it around my skin for 2 years. I tried lotions and got to point I pulled out infected hairs which worked to a point. Only that is how it got down to my mustache. But to my surprize I think I was working it in reverse it didnt move down to it I had just chased it to it. Reason I say this is. I pulled out a mustache hair. It then became a sore in the center of the sore was a black dote and when ever I tried to remove it it would move deeper. Then I had all but gave up trying to pull it out. I put alcohol on it and squeezed it, At first a black object came out which I grabed with tweezers I notice something more still there and squeezed it some more and out came my surprize. It was what I think was a main colony for them. Its appearance was so strange it had like a clear sac on its top with a stem like a hair (thick whisker) attacked right below the sack and note the sack look in shape like an onion round and came to a point at top it look like it could realize something from it and it was filled with a clear fluid, now below it attached to the shaft was the strangest of it all it look like barnacle shape objects in cone shapes. Sort like an bee hive in shape . It was not an object that should have been there for any reason out side of a foreign life form built it. One below the other only one was out more then the other. It was not attached to anything at all. it did have fluid around it. It looked like a colony or breeding place. like they lived there it was fair sized too. Its appearance is so hard to explain if you want me to send you a drawing email me at [email protected] this is possible the way to cure it or at least stop it

Yeah, its just accidental that you stumble over a nine-month article. Just a coinkydink.

@142

Great job necroing a thread just to whine that noone agrees with your position.

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Hey, Orac, we’ve got possible sockpuppet sightings in this old thread – at least two smell like what Neumann might write if he was at all capable of self-restraint. See also most of the comments from #130 onward.

Speaking of Neumann, he’s revived the English-language version of his website: http://www.morgellons-research.org/morgellons/