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“Censorship.” You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

It’s rare that I encounter a bit of nonsense that allows me to deploy two of my favorite rhetorical devices. First, it lets me pull out one of my favorite clips from one of my favorite movies, in which the immortal line, “Help! Help! I’m being repressed!” was first uttered. Second, it lets me repeat once again yet another variation of Inigo Montoya’s immortal words. It’s a two-fer! Not surprisingly, it’s courtesy of the anti-vaccine crank blog we’ve all come to know and love (well, I love it because it has provided me such a target-rich environment for taking on quackery and woo, although I hate it because, well, it promotes anti-vaccine quackery and woo). Yes, we’re talkin’ Age of Autism, and this time it’s Katie Wright crying repression and censorship in a little screed she called Sebelius Asks Media to Censor Autism Debate.

“Censor.” You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

I’ll show you why. First, let’s look at what provoked Wright’s little bit of willful misinterpretation:

There are groups out there that insist that vaccines are responsible for a variety of problems, despite all scientific evidence to the contrary. We (the office of Secretary of Health and Human Services) have reached out to media outlets to try to get them not to give the views of these people equal weight in their reporting.


Apparently this came from a Readers Digest article in which Kathleen Sebelius, Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services, was being interviewed about H1N1. During that interview, she was asked what could be done about the public mistrust of vaccines. Reality-based regular readers of this blog (as opposed to some of the anti-vaccine extremists out there who monitor this locale to see what the “other side” is up to) would almost certainly find nothing objectionable in what Sebelius said at all. Indeed, time and time again, I myself have complained about the lazy “tell both sides” imperative so many journalists seem to consider absolutlely essential, an imperative that leads to journalistic atrocities in which for every story about vaccines, an anti-vaccine loon (often from Generation Rescue) has to be interviewed to give “the other side”) or for every story about teaching evolution in public school science classes, a creationist loon has to be interviewed to give “the other side.” The point, of course, is that, when it comes to certain manufactroversies, no matter how without a basis in science the crank side is, somehow journalists feel compelled to include a crank on equal footing with scientists, be it for controversy or to tug at the heartstrings with the case of a parent struggling to raise a severely autistic child and blaming vaccines for the child’s plight. It’s good to see that Sebelius actually understands what’s wrong with so much medical and science journalism today.

Katie Wright, on the other hand, clearly does not. Oh, man, she doesn’t understand:

That’s right. Kathleen Sebelius, the Secretary of HHS, has asked newspapers, magazines, television journalists, who knows who else- specifically NOT to listen to parents and scientists in the autism community, not to respect their concerns, not to take seriously the condition of chronically ill children with autism and to disregard a growing body of evidence questioning the safety of our infant and toddlers’ immunization schedule.

It never ceases to amaze me how talented various AoA denizens are at constructing straw men. Indeed, truly has Wright constructed a straw man of sufficient size and bulk that it could easily be used for a Burning Man ceremony with the flames of burning stupid consuming all. Or maybe Wright is prepping for yet another remake of the 1973 horror cult classic The Wicker Man, with reason and science in the role of the hapless policeman who blunders into the mysterious isle in the Hebrides looking for a missing girl. (You’ll know what I mean if you’ve seen the movie; if you haven’t, click on its title.) In any case, Sebelius said nothing of the sort. She simply said that reporters should not give equal weight to the views of anti-vaccine loons, not that they shouldn’t listen to parents. Also note the clever coopting of terms. She conflates the anti-vaccine movement (although, of course, she would not call it that) with “parents and scientists in the autism community.” You hear that, those of you with autistic children who accept the science and don’t buy into the pseudoscience claiming that vaccines cause autism? You aren’t part of the “autism community.” Or so it would seem, if Wright’s tone is any indication. Sebelius isn’t urging anyone to disregard anything. She’s simply urging media outlets to be a bit more responsible in how they pair the fear mongering cranks with real scientists.

But if you thought Wright was prepping for a remake of The Wicker Man with her introduction, you ain’t seen nothing yet. Apparently in the remake of the movie, an army of wicker men, alight with the fires of burning stupid, overrun the earth in a Blitzkrieg action, searing all intelligence from the face of the earth as they march. At least, that’s the only explanation I can think of for this bit of hyperbole:

I am taking Ms. Sebelius at her word. Ms. Sebelius has unilaterally said that she knows that every single American parent who saw their child regress post vaccination or experience a severe adverse reaction is wrong and she knows better.

Uh, no. Sebelius said nothing of the sort. She simply asked the media to stop giving equal time to pseudoscience. Her words have no force other than that of a Cabinet secretary; they do not have the force of law. It’s also highly unlikely the media will listen, unfortunately. Not that any of that stops Wright from turning the paranoia and anti-government hysteria up to 11:

Ms. Sebelius has ordered, suggested, beseeched, implored (?) American journalists NOT to “give these people (anyone concerned with vaccine safety) equal weight in their reporting” because she has decided by informal governmental decree that the debate is closed?

Sounds like something that would happen in a communist dictatorship, right? Was there a similar decree when “citizen dissidents” questioned the safety of hormone replacement therapy for women? Was the media instructed to ignore those nuisances who were suspicious of a long denied link between hormone therapy and breast cancer? Did the HHS order a first amendment crackdown of those trouble-making women who had long complained that Fibromalgia was a real disease and not a psychosomatic condition. Menaces everywhere who dared to question medical authorities! They must be silenced! You have got to be kidding.

Funny, I was thinking the same thing about Wright with the allusions to a communist dictatorship. I suppose I should be grateful for small favors in that she at least managed to refrain from likening Sebelius to Hitler or Goebbels or some Nazi official shutting down any dissent in Germany during the Nazi regime. It must have taken great restraint on Wright’s part to control herself, as I strongly suspect that she must have really, really wanted to play the Hitler card.

The rest of Wright’s rant is a repetition of frequent anti-vaccine talking points that we’ve all heard a million times before. They aren’t sufficiently interesting or different for me to bother with them, as I’ve dealt with their ilk more times than I can count anymore, and I don’t happen to be in the mood right now to do it again. What I’m more in the mood for is to point out how Wright’s little rant is of a piece with virtually every other form of crankery, pseudoscience, and quackery in that she is crying “persecution” and whining that the pseudoscience she believes in is being “suppressed,” using Sebelius’ reasonable complaint about the press as a jumping off point to do so. And the similarity hits home when she decides to go full mental jacket on Poul Thorsen, parrotting the latest anti-vaccine smear machine designed to distract from the recent ruling from the Autism Omnibus and then cranking it up beyond 11 to 12, 13, 14, 15, even 20. Oh, hell, she’s even taking it to arguably libelous extremes:

It is absolutely frightening that a wanted felon has such an enormous and pervasive influence on the lives of our children.

So I am trying to get this straight Ms. Sebelius. Help me out here. We should take lying thieves with no interest in operating in the public’s interest at their word but the media should ignore parents and legitimate scientists who question the validity of vaccine science research performed by alleged criminals? I’m really confused!

The crazy is strong in this one, Luke.

As I’ve pointed out, Thorsen was at best a minor co-author in the Danish study that forms but a part of the body of evidence exonerating thimerosal-containing vaccines as a cause of autism, and it’s not even clear that he did anything wrong yet. Given the track record of AoA, the more they attack Thorsen, the more I wonder if he even did anything wrong. However the attack on Thorsen reminded me of something I saw earlier. This something was a perfect case of crank magnetism in the form of a post on a different home of pseudoscience, specifically the pseudoscience known as evolution denial or creationism. Bruce Chapman of the Discovery institute opines:

Do you still contend that scientists are a breed apart, a superior species that should hold others, mere mortals, in awe? Then please digest the latest scandal about money, greed and “science”, and this time keep in your mind’s eye the thousands, maybe millions, of infants that are affected by autism. It is their welfare that must now come into focus.

Won’t somebody think of the children? Actually, “intelligent design” is about the children–corrupting the children’s scientific education that is. Chapman also seems to think that challenging the Danish studies might mean that the science showing that vaccines do not cause autism should come into disrepute and that that might mean that vaccines might actually cause autism, just as creationists think that if they can discredit one major study about evolution it means that they’ve falsified evolution:

Danish scientist Paul Thorsen has disappeared, apparently, along with a couple million dollars of U.S. public money and some of the data that formed the basis for studies in which he participated. Now those enormously influential studies–supposedly disproving any connection between mercury and autism–are coming into question, and deservedly so.

Why deservedly so? Here’s a word of advice for Mr. Chapman: Stick to evolution. You still embarrass the hell out of yourself every time you opine about ID, but you have just embarrassed yourself even more. In fact, I wonder if someone pointed that out to him. His post originally had this ending:

Maybe the studies were valid. By all means, let’s find out. In fact, a thorough and independent public investigation is imperative. Since the Center for Disease Control’s money was involved, surely the CDC should not be the only body looking into this matter. Meanwhile, tell us again why scientists who dissent from the “consensus” in this scientific field, or any other, must be silenced.

Note the ending in the current version of the post, which has been watered down. I prefer the original because it shows very much how the mindset of creationists is very much like the mindset of anti-vaccine zealots. Both want to paint themselves as “dissenters” rather than cranks. Both want to tear down scientists, because it is science itself that stands in the way of the acceptance of their beliefs. Discredit scientists, they think, and they can discredit the science. It never occurs to them that science is more than any single scientist and that discrediting a scientist does not necessarily discredit the science unless one can show scientific fraud. Not that cranks don’t try. Indeed, the most recent egregious example is the hype surrounding the e-mails from climate scientists stolen through hacking. It’s what I like to call the “vindication of all kooks” corollary to crank magnetism.

I’ve mentioned this before, but the difference between cranks and real scientists is how much cranks personalize their beliefs. They don’t realize that science is a process, a methodology, not a set of conclusions. They also can’t seem to understand that what science tells us is not purely a belief or set of beliefs; it is a set of conclusions based on observation and experimentation that are continually updated and adjusted as new evidence comes in. In contrast, the beliefs of anti-vaccinationists or creationists, for example, never change their core beliefs, which are that vaccines are evil and cause autism and that evolution is evil and wrong, respectively. Nothing, no amount of evidence, no amount of science will change those core beliefs. To them all science, particularly any mechanism of science that exists to weed out bad science (such as peer review), is “repression” or “censorship.” Any scientific consensus is a conspiracy, “repression,” and/or “censorship. The reason is simple. It’s because science tells denialists that they are wrong and to them that’s censorship.

ADDENDUM: Remember how I (sort of) congratulated Wright for refraining from playing the Hitler card? Naturally, it turns out that at least one of the commenters on AoA is not so “restrained”:

Keep speaking up and being in community. We may have to continue to haul this load on our own longer. Oppression can be tough and that is what this is, oppression, with parents of Autism being like the French Resistance during WWII. I believe the truth will prevail.

Because the scientific community is just like the Nazi occupation and AoA’s brave maverick resistance is just like the French Resistance. I wonder if there is a word for such a delusion.

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314 replies on ““Censorship.” You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”

And hey,if you can’t beat ’em, let’s join ’em. They are asking readers to call Seb’s office and complain. Let’s all call and thank her! (202) 205-5445

From Autism Grandma: “Has the media ever mentioned that we, the public, cannot access the VAERS data base? Why is this such a big secret I wonder?”

Beautiful.

“…full mental jacket…”

Clever combining of pop culture references, or typo?

Also, any responsible scientists would reply to Chapman’s contention that they are superior with the statement “only at responding to the conditions of a specific local environment through the production of a greater number of reproductively viable offspring”.

Evolution jokes – awesome.

“I wonder if there is a word for such a delusion.”

Schizohitlerism?

If they really want balance on vaccines, they should have two experts that disagree over which vaccines to give, not whether to give them. There’s a viable argument over the economics of the H1N1 response versus risk (CBC had a broadcast on this on Monday). THAT is something the public could sink their teeth into – was H1N1 vaccination a waste of scarce tax money in a time of economic crisis? Discuss.

My opinion is – no. Apparently it’s also the dominant strain this flu season.

You hear that, those of you with autistic children who accept the science and don’t buy into the pseudoscience claiming that vaccines cause autism? You aren’t part of the “autism community.” Or so it would seem, if Wright’s tone is any indication.

This is a phenomenon that is all too familiar to me. I don’t know if I have just been very unlucky with the people I have come in contact with, but I don’t feel welcome in the “autism community”.

These crazies have hijacked and monopolized the support available to parents who don’t buy their crap.

“We should take lying thieves with no interest in operating in the public’s interest at their word but the media should ignore parents and legitimate scientists who question the validity of vaccine science research performed by alleged criminals? I’m really confused!”

You mean like Andrew Wakefield? I’m confused too!

I like the bit about science “performed by alleged criminals”. It’s trivial to make any science you don’t like into “research performed by alleged criminals” simply by alleging that the researchers are criminals. It’s like Yes, Minister!

Sir Humphrey: Say that the findings have been questioned.
Hacker: What if they haven’t?
Sir Humphrey: Then question them. Then they have.

Great take-down. I’m very sad to see Katie Wright spouting such nonsense. Especially at that home of censorship, AoA, where censorship provides a “safe environment” for the perpetuation of delusion.

BTW, there’s a bit of a typo in the headline.

“It is absolutely frightening that a wanted felon…”

Since Thorsen has not been convicted of a felony, this would appear to be libel.

I’m not sure if formal charges have even been filed yet.

Instead of thinking about how much the stupid burns, think about Nic Cage in the remake of ‘The Wicker Man’ when he gets the bee treatment.

“Oh no, not the stupid! Oh God, the stupid!”

Well, “censoring” is just one of these irregular verbs, isn’t it:
I keep peace on my blog
you shut out dissenters
he is censoring.

Censorship? They don’t even know the meaning of irony. They bitch and complain that they’re being censored when none of the comments opposing their views get through. Or, if they do get through, they are told they won’t get through any more… Exhibit A:

Rene, last comment from you love duck… Dr. Healy is right – science has backed away from the autism/vaccine safety issue lock, stock (market) and barrel. The science is not complete. There are many studies which show vaccination safety problems. Now go back to work, I’m sure you’ve much to accomplish. A quick Google search of your name turns up that you are an epidemiologist with the MD department of mental health. I give you credit for using your name – many commenters do not. We do not encourage vaccine injury deniers at Age of Autism, however. We allowed you to state your opinion.

Au revoir.

Kim

Posted by: Managing Editor for Rene

Too bad she doesn’t know I could have been the “Rene Najera” on this list: http://www.ci.longmont.co.us/police/crimeupdate/mostwanted.htm

Or am I? Hahahahaaahahahaha! (Maniacal laugh.)

I’m not.

@Rene Najera

Wow. You actually got a response from her telling you why (sorta) you were being banned? I didn’t even get that. Just an unceremonious blocking of all posts.

Luckily, there’s a solution for that! (Though I must admit, I’ve been a bit light on posting, recently, since I can no longer access AoA during the day and my evenings are a bit busy. Shoot me an e-mail, though, if you want a thread created about an AoA post.)

Did anyone catch the “wanted felon” reference? It’s amazing how a couple of university grant expenditure inquiries have morphed into criminal convictions in such a short time. Can Thorsen sue for defamation?

@Todd W.:
Nah, I just package up all my comments and e-mail them en masse to Kim’s personal e-mail. Then head over to her blog and post them there again. Then head over to Huffington Post and post them there once more. Basically, it’s an electronic carpet bomb of comments, usually on Saturdays, building up all the week’s comments. I’m pretty sure she’ll write about me on her blog. I hope she points over to my examiner page… I needs me some money.

Sounds like Sebilius is just establishing her bona fides for that post-government Sanofi job. Nothing wrong with that.

“Telling both sides” often means that the SB side starts to talk and gets drowned out by the whimsy-based side’s protestations.Fortunately,a few shows feature interviews with a single guest:Fareed Zakaria and Rachel Maddow(last night: Timothy Geithner).(About “The Wicker Man”:only the original please,which I once ran into on late night TV and have since been recommending;I saw about 10 minutes- towards the end-of the re-make, which was *way* too much)

@MartinB

I keep peace on my blog
you shut out dissenters

As someone who’s been on the “wrong side” of a debate on the RI boards, let me tell you – the ‘shutting out of dissenters’ comes almost entirely from the other commenters. The rare times that Orac steps into the fray is usually to counter a particularly belligerent commenter who says particularly stupid things. However, the “dissenting” posts get left up there for anyone to see.

If you wuss out on your convictions because people don’t agree with you, that isn’t shutting out dissent; that’s the will of the majority being imposed on you, which happens in ANY human interaction. Don’t like it? Change species.

@Rene Najera

Ah. Nice tactic. I would like to have more posts on Silenced, though, as an illustration of how many comments never see the light of a computer screen over at AoA. More people than just myself, y’know.

Orac, I’ll save you the time and show you the best of it (there’s also a Rifftrax): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6i2WRreARo

Honestly, if you keep the original out of your mind, you can enjoy it the same way as an Ed Wood flick.

And what’s the “growing body of evidence” the quack speaks of? Let me guess…it involves 12 monkeys.

Ooh cool.
So HHS Secretary Sebelius says “please don’t treat whackos with the same credibility as the reality-based people who’ve actually spent the time and effort learning a thing or two about the subject”, and the nuts at the end of the bar wank on about being repressed.
Oh, and Mr Doofus from DI : it’s Poul Thorsen, not Paul, but thanks for playing.

“Orac, I’ll save you the time and show you the best of it”

Did the remake include a version of the crazy Britt Ekland mating dance?

Ironic that IDiots are so happy to censor out other religious ideas, not wanting a bit of Plato’s Forms taught as science, nor Greek myths of metamorphosis.

See, that really is censorship, because they’re precisely on the same level as Ovid’s Metamorphoses, and have only the science that they have gotten (and then usually corrupted) from scientists.

But hey, pushing science out of the way to teach apologetics is all about academic freedom (well it sort of is, of the most corrupt kind), while keeping other religious apologetics out is simply about God’s truth, so it’s all all right.

Glen Davidson
http://tinyurl.com/mxaa3p

How can AoA claim any legitimacy, or cry “censorship” when they block dissenting views?
Hypocrisy at its best.

@20:

Reread Martin’s post. He did not say what you thought he said. He was merely commenting on how common it is for perspective to control what verb is used to describe said activity, NOT claiming that Orac “shuts out dissenters”.

Ironic that IDiots are so happy to censor out other religious ideas, not wanting a bit of Plato’s Forms taught as science, nor Greek myths of metamorphosis.

Which is especially ironic considering the huge influence the ancient Greeks had on culture at the time the New Testament was written. (There is a reason it was written down in Greek rather than Hebrew or Latin, after all, though note that some portions may have originated in Aramaic.) They really should read the classics if they want to understand the social milieu of the Bible and therefore the points it is trying to make. It wasn’t written in a vacuum.

I am taking Ms. Sebelius at her word. Ms. Sebelius has unilaterally said that she knows that every single American parent who saw their child regress post vaccination or experience a severe adverse reaction is wrong and she knows better.

Uh, no. Sebelius said nothing of the sort. She simply asked the media to stop giving equal time to pseudoscience. Her words have no force other than that of a Cabinet secretary; they do not have the force of law. It’s also highly unlikely the media will listen, unfortunately. Not that any of that stops Wright from turning the paranoia and anti-government hysteria up to 11:

However, even if she had said that – she’d be right, at least according to the scientific evidence.

“with parents of Autism being like the French Resistance during WWII”
My grandpa was POW, my grandma was carrying luggages of food accross Lyon. Their role was really minor, the risks they have taken, not so. They did not talk much about it, but it was clearly not happy times.

AoA have no idea that they are talking about.

To start with, French resistants (well, the real ones, most of those were killed) didn’t spent all their evenings blogging about how much the germans were repressing them.

This topic is kind of derivation of a common internet phenomenon. In Orac world, we might call it “You aren’t allowed to criticize my opinion” gambit. It usually goes something like this:

Person 1 says something stupid.
Person 2 (and maybe others) jump on it, and point out that it is stupid, and provide X reasons why it is stupid.
Person 1, unable to address their criticism, responds with “I thought this was a place to provide opinions, and I provided mine.”

The irony being, of course, that the others ALSO provided their opinions, most notably, that Person 1’s opinion was baseless. However, they apparently AREN’T allowed to provide their opinion that Person 1’s opinion is baseless.

Personally, I prefer to name it after myself, since I am the one who constantly points it out when it occurs (I have even had it put into discussion group FAQs because it is such a common error – you are indeed allowed to express your opinion, but so are others, including their opinion that your opinion is wrong).

In the end, they boil down to the same contradiction – someone is complaining that others are saying bad things about their opinions, which they are entitled to express.

Granted, it does seem like persecution when you lose the special treatment you have been given in the past. Listen to those christians who howl and scream persecution when they lose their ability to use government resources to promote their religion.

Anti safe-vaxxers,

I was the first to report on the Sebelius quote, so don’t go blaming Ms. Wright.
http://www.ageofautism.com/2010/03/did-kathleen-sebelius-pressure-media-to-deny-vaccine-safety-voices.html#more

Kathleen Sebelius is telling the media to report her views in place of consumer groups who’ve identified the glaring flaws in all the shoddy tobacco science vindicating the government’s most heavily promoted drug, while ignoring all scientific evidence linking vaccines to autism. In other words, she’s manipulating the media.

Vaccines cause autism, the government has quietly conceded to that already in court cases like Hannah Poling and Bailey Banks. The only debate here is in how many children they cause autism in.

The “scientific community” that says otherwise is just derived from the IOM Report ruling, the panelists of which pretty much already announced their conclusion before receiving any evidence, and nominally based that the Danish data. With that discredited, all that leaves is one study from Britain and another by Verstraeten. Before publication, Verstraeten admitted the British study might not even be worth doing, while Verstraeten described his own study as “neutral,” which was later repudiated by the CDC itself. So much for the “Scientific Community.”

All you have left is hope that the mainstream media will not get wind of this, but alas, that’s already beginning to happen:
http://www.11alive.com/video/default.aspx?menuid=149#/News/A+New+Twist+In+The+Controversy+Over+Autism/49906865001/50317397001/71272069001

Cheers.

@Jake Crosby

while ignoring all scientific evidence linking vaccines to autism

Citations please.

the government has quietly conceded to that already in court cases like Hannah Poling and Bailey Banks

Bzzt! Wrong. Go back and read the rulings.

“I was the first to report on the Sebelius quote, so don’t go blaming Ms. Wright.”

Wait, why would the mere fact that you made a post first absolve her of the responsibility to ensure factual and interpretive accuracy within her post? Her article isn’t supported by any of the content of the quote, so who reported on it first is an irrelevance.

Are you seriously implying that Ms. Wright did not – at any point – do any novel work on her post? Are you seriously attempting to imply that her post is entirely derived from yours?

That is the only situation with in which “I did it first” could be seen as a reasonable defence of Ms Wright.

As an aside – Todd is correct that you need to go and read up on the rulings. I do believe a formal correction to the claims that the concession was in regards to autism has been issued.

Jake,

Your overlords have already disowned the thimerosal/autism link. Now it’s “too many, too soon”. Get with the program young man.

“I was the first to report on the Sebelius quote, so don’t go blaming Ms. Wright.”

This is like fighting over who gets to take out the garbage.

Because the scientific community is just like the Nazi occupation and AoA’s brave maverick resistance is just like the French Resistance.

Isn’t it obvious? All of those FEMA labor camp commandants are out looking for firing squads right now.

@Jake Crosby

I looked through your references (minus the Youtube one because I don’t have flash on this computer). Not exactly the iron-clad evidence one would want to see.

More than half of the Wakefield articles (and an even larger proportion of the autism.com ones) are commentaries or narrative responses. Those cannot and do not carry the weight of actual scientific RESEARCH, which involves the actual application of science, not merely the interpretation of slices of evidence.

The remainder of the Wakefield articles appear to be about gut issues, and say nothing at all about thimerosal and autism, leaving it up to the reader to somehow connect the dots. Caffeine is associated with lung cancer – should we strictly restrict coffee? The answer is no, because that example is an overly-simplistic interpretation of the evidence that leaves you to connect the dots. The larger reality is that heavy smokers often drink lots of coffee. When you fail to establish a solid link but instead rely on innuendo and “it stands to reason” arguments, you can often find erroneous correlations.

Jake, I seriously think you should drop the posturing, stop drinking the Kool-Aid from AoA, and take a science course or two. Learn what the scientific method actually is – it’s not simply piling up a list of PubMed citations and calling them “science” just because they were published in journals. Until you do that, and can provide REAL evidence, you’re exposing yourself as a shallow opportunist who has no interest in convincing those who disagree with you, simply bamboozling the ignorant with fear and wild, unfounded aspersions. Scientists listen to science, Jake. That’s why nobody here counts you as a credible source for a weather report, let alone facts.

I’ve never heard of Thorsen and a quick search on the homepages of the major newspapers reveals nothing. I no longer have access to the Lexis-Nexis database of all papers, but I doubt that would make any difference.

Okay, first, youtube videos are not science. The second link seems to be a “we (heart) Wakefield” site, still citing the 1998 study as evidence that MMR causes autism (psst…even the folks at AoA have been saying the 1998 study doesn’t say MMR causes autism). Don’t have time, at the moment, to sift through and pick out the studies that aren’t by Wakefield and, consequently, suspect.

Next is your third link. I’m not going to waste my time with the Geiers, either, since they’ve proven themselves eminently incapable to performing good science (not to mention their hucksterism with Lupron and chelation). I don’t have time to track down things that don’t have links, at the moment, so that leaves (my comments bolded afterward):

Richard C. Deth, Ph.D. Effects of Mercury on Methionine Synthase: Implications for Disordered Methylation in Autism Defeat Autism Now! 2003 Philadelphia – paper

Examined mercury in vitro. While interesting, the results and speculations do not translate to what would happen in humans. Also, not peer-reviewed or published in a journal.

Jeff Bradstreet, M.D. A Case-control Study of Mercury Burden in Children with Autistic Disorders and Measles Virus Genomic RNA in Cerebrospinal Fluid in Children with Regressive Autism. IOM presentation, Feb 9, 2004
Slides: http://www.iom.edu/CMS/3793/4705/17047/18065.aspx

Broken link.

Valsamakis A et al. Altered virulence of vaccine strains of measles virus after prolonged replication in human tissue. J Virol. 1999 73(10): 8791-7. PMID 10482633 http://jvi.asm.org/cgi/reprint/73/10/8791.pdf

Nothing to do with autism. Autism is not mentioned anywhere in the paper.

The CDC’s original findings before the CDC began to manipulate the data, obtained via the Freedom of Information Act: High risk values for thimerosal injections and a range of neurologic problems, including ADHD, tics, language problems, and autism. http://factsformedia.com/factsformedia/thimerosalstudy.pdf

Broken link. No PDF available to read.

Excerpts from CDC’s in-house conference: Thimerosal sequelae http://www.nationalautismassociation.org/library/IOM%20Simpsonwood%20in%20bold.pdf

Not a scientific study, but rather selective picking of text from a transcript.

Congressman, Dr. Weldon’s letter to the CDC director

Not a scientific study, and therefore not evidence.

David Baskin, M.D. Relation of Neurotoxic Effects of Thimerosal to Autism. IOM presentation, Feb 9, 2004.
Audio only: http://www.iom.edu/view.asp?id=19124

Broken link.

So, not a single scientific bit there that says vaccines cause autism. If I had more time, I would take a closer look. Perhaps someone else can take a look at the remaining things.

“I never saw the remake of The Wicker Man with Nicholas Cage, and, from what I’ve heard, that is a good thing.”

Oooo no, you’ve missed an absolute treat! At one point Cage arbitrarily grabs a doll and screams “howditgetburned.HowditgetburnedHOWDITGETBURNEDHOWDITGETBURNEDHOWDITGETBURNEDHOWDITGETBURNEDHOWDITGETBURNED???” and his vapid love interest just shrugs and says “…I don’t know”.

The salient features of the plot have been made into a techno music video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG1d6rUcMKc

I’ve never heard of Thorsen and a quick search on the homepages of the major newspapers reveals nothing.

Blogs don’t mention Thorsen prior to 2010, except as part of a list of authors in reference sections. A Google News archive search also doesn’t reveal much of anything about Thorsen prior to 2010.

Hey, Jake, you blocked me from following the AoA twitter feed, didn’t you, you sly devil you? Is that a form of censorship? And what about Kim blocking comments? Is that a form of censorship?

(Watch him respond with some nonsense that doesn’t even address the question.)

You’ll probably get the standard answer, Rene: “censorship is ok when we do it.”

I’ve never heard of Thorsen

Until a few weeks ago, neither had the anti-vaccination camp. They wouldn’t have recognized him if he knocked on their door at 2pm and asked to speak to them about Jesus.

I hereby certify post #33 to be 100% content-free.

Inspector 37
United States Bureau of Content

#45 Rene, won’t you please think of the children?

Remember, they want to create a safe environment for parents and kids so they have to censor use meanies.

Until a few weeks ago, neither had the anti-vaccination camp. They wouldn’t have recognized him if he knocked on their door at 2pm and asked to speak to them about Jesus.

You gotta love the comparison of the situations.

For the Wakefield paper, pretty much every one of the minor co-authors abandoned ship long before the hammer came down on St Andy. As soon as the shit he pulled came into the open, and the extent to which people were abusing the outcome of the work was clear, they couldn’t disassociate themselves from it fast enough, leaving only St Andy to carry the flag. When he fizzled in the mire, there was nothing left but ashes.

With Thorsen, we have the anti-vax side so desperate for anything that they are propping up not only the significance of his contributions to the project (calling him a major player), but also the magnitude of his transgressions (he’s missing? News to him). Jeez, if the actions of minor authors were of so much significance, then the Wakefield study was hammered dead years and years ago. By their take, the Wakefield study was an example of the crew jumping ship, leaving only the rats to steer the boat.

Orac: “cranking it up beyond 11” – Quoting Monty Python, Princess Bride and Spinal Tap all in the same post! It’s a trifecta!

You hear that, those of you with autistic children who accept the science and don’t buy into the pseudoscience claiming that vaccines cause autism? You aren’t part of the “autism community.”

They co-opted the phrase “autism community” a long time ago, and the approach most people take is that nothing can be done about it. The term “autism communities” is used to distinguish anti-vaxers (the “autism community”) — a minority in all likelihood — from the rest of the people involved in autism one way or another.

Jake,

Good luck trying to convince these fucking idiots that worship the dipshit that calls himself AFLAC, I mean ORAC. If the government said it was safe to inject babies with “trace amounts” of plutonium, these dipshits would go right along with that too. They don’t have fucking brains of their own or even try to think logically or use any common sense. They just listen to the almighty CDC and AAP and Sebelius and Insel and every other person that has serious blood on their hands. Hey ORAC, I bet you believe OJ is innocent too because he told you so right? Hmmm I wonder why a serial killer can’t chose 3 “Special” Masters instead of a jury at his trial? Especially when the Special Masters he gets are 3 of his good buddies or relatives. I wonder how many serial killers would be found guilty this way and have to pay out millions in compensation to the victims from the serial killer fund established by our government? At least serial killers aren’t money hungry dirtbags that are fucking people up just out of ignorance with the one goal of making millions and billions of dollars. Wow, how can one be worse than a serial killer? Very easy…just take a look at this issue and you will find many…including ORAC! From your good friend “Smarter Than All You Mother Fuckers”!

True censorship requires police power for its enforcement. Katie Wright and her AoA comrades can write and publish whatever they want with near-impunity because they are free from censorship and because libel lawsuits are expensive to prosecute and hard to win. However, freedom from censorship doesn’t mean that any individual is legally empowered to compel others to write what they want them to write, and publish what they want them to publish — such as newspaper articles that give equal time to hogwash, or hostile, irrational blog comments.

It’s amazing how much more cogent and persuasive an argument is when it is liberally peppered with profanity. It’s the same trick that Voltaire and Jonathan Swift used when writing their political tracts “Can-fucking-dide” and “A Modest Proposal, You Shitbags”

@Jake

while ignoring all scientific evidence linking vaccines to autism

How can you ignore somethng that doesn’t exist?

Excerpt from “A Modest Proposal, You Shitbags”:

It is a melancholy object to those bad-ass mothers who walk through this great town or travel in the country, when they see the streets, the roads, and even the mother-fucking cabin doors, crowded with beggars of the female sex (bitches), followed by three, four, or six shit-bag children, all in rags and shit and importuning every passenger for an alms. These mothers, instead of being able to work for their goddamn honest livelihood, are forced to employ all their fucking time in strolling to beg sustenance for their helpless lice-infested infants: who as they grow up either turn thieves for want of work, or leave their dear native shithole of a country to fight for the Pretender in Spain, or sell themselves to the Barbadoes, those assholes.

[email protected]: I have a question. Who is/are “the government”? Are we talking about the President, the chubby hippie who’s my mayor, the IRS, MIB, or some other TLA? I’m not familiar with the AAP, what branch of government are they under?

To quote sci-fi: Gentle Homo, you are strange.

(Homo in this case being a reference to your presumed genus, rather than any possible sexual orientation.)

@JustaDipshit, I mean JustaTech, try @54 next time so you are directing your dumb question in the right direction. I wouldn’t expect anyone on this blog to know who the AAP is because you all don’t have a clue about anything in regards to this entire subject. It just shows that you don’t know the most basic things about such a critical subject. This is equivalent to an IT guy not knowing what a computer monitor is. Maybe you should be focusing on a different subject idiot. And yes, I will admit I’m a bit strange, but I know the ins and outs and every answer you all have ever been searching for when it comes to the cause of Autism. And very soon you will all know it too. Like I’ve said before, 2010 is the year something big happens, and you will all finally shut the hell up and bury your stupid little heads in shame. Then you can start a new blog about how it is acceptable to inject plutonium into pregnant women because pharmaceutical companies say it’s ok. Wow, how can you not have brains of your own?

Are we talking about the President, the chubby hippie who’s my mayor, the IRS, MIB, or some other TLA?

IIRC, the MIB were actually not a government agency but a pseudo-official spin off. Plus I think that the poster in question was referring to any organization with black helicopters.

@63 Smarter Than You – Wow, do tell. What’s the big thing that’s going to happen in 2010? Are you using your powers of prestidigitation, or do you have some kind of inside scoop? I remember someone similar to you (but without the profanity) bragging on Kathleen Seidel’s blog on March 22, 2006 that

…I would like to make a virtual wager that within the next 18-24 months scientific evidence will make the thimerosal-autism link a near certainty. If you are willing, I’ll let you name the stakes.

Hmmm. It’s not just 24 months later, it’s 48 months later. Better luck with your powers of foresight.

The Morphing Troll:

And yes, I will admit I’m a bit strange, but I know the ins and outs and every answer you all have ever been searching for when it comes to the cause of Autism. And very soon you will all know it too. Like I’ve said before, 2010 is the year something big happens, and you will all finally shut the hell up and bury your stupid little heads in shame.

I remember being told this by one of the mercury militia on a listserv I was on about a decade ago. The big thing turned out to be the silly “Autism is Mercury Poisoning” paper in Medical Hypothesis written by Blaxill and friends.

I am sure that 2010 will bring the same kind of laugh riot in what the Morphing Troll calls “evidence.” It was probably supposed to be Wakefield’s monkey study that was recently retracted (maybe they are going to re-write it, remove Wakefield’s name and resubmit it… with more missing monkeys!).

@63

Mad, MAD they called me! But soon, I’ll show them all! Their time of reckoning shall come! Oh yes, it shall come!

*maniacal laughter and well-timed lightning/thunder*

Do they have paragraphs in your secret volcano lair? Check behind the boxes of one-piece henchman jumpsuits. You know, the ones you use to dress up your straw-man army.

Also, why are you hoarding all of these “answers” to yourself? Purportedly, thousands (or, according to one misguided commenter, hundreds of thousands) of people are suffering from “vaccine injury”. If you have clear, evidence-based answers, why withhold them from the rest of society?

@All Dumbasses responding to me…I have no association with Blaxill or Wakefield or anyone you know trust me…and no it’s not the monkey study, and no it’s not some paper that claims mercury causes autism…in fact it’s not a study or experiment or literature at all. I know I sound kind of like a jackass because I do have a lot of anger toward people who are ignorant to this subject and those who are very uneducated about the subject trying to prove or disprove anything related to it like ORAC and Kevin Leitch attempt to do. I used to be very open minded about this subject until I researched it nonstop for 6 years and traveled directly to the sources of the Science themselves. If you knew everything I did, you too would be extremely upset with those who are at fault here, and those that continue to pretend nothing is wrong here. I expect you to laugh at my words, but the funny thing is, I’m not joking. Something has been in the making since 2004 that is going to make many dead people roll over in their graves. It will be completed by about October/November 2010, but it may be a little bit after that when you all become very familiar with it. But once you do, you will all finally see where you went wrong, because you most certainly have, and even the worst of the worst of them, such as Paul Offit, will even finally acknowledge just how wrong he was once and for all. Don’t get me wrong here though, I’m not saying vaccines are the culprit. And why do I withhold this from the rest of society? Because until it is complete people such as yourselves could not possibly understand it.

I can’t wait for October/November 2010, when we get to find out that something big is coming out in June/July 2011!

The Morphing Troll:

I used to be very open minded about this subject until I researched it nonstop for 6 years and traveled directly to the sources of the Science themselves.

Evidence?

I’m willing to bet it will be some lame moronic paper in JPANDS, Medical Hypotheses or Medical Veritas. Probably with the same quality as the paper described here:

We tried hard to find any science to analyse, but failed. The author just waxes moronically about infections, immune responses and ASD children without a shred, nothing, to support this ‘hypothesis’. The author is clearly setting up a post hoc argument using sources that don’t support such a conclusion.

Considering the quality of the Morphing Troll’s writing and use of evidence (which is never), I suspect it will be as laughable as the 2001 Blaxill and friends paper.

My guess is that it’s a hard-hitting “exposé” on how corrupt the drug companies are, how they suppress the truth when they can get away with it, and when they twist it when they can’t. It will be filled with specific names and dates, and will be a fun romp down the rabbit hole…

…at which point everyone will say “So what? Drug companies are corrupt. We knew that already.” Then they’ll go back to work doing something constructive.

@Chris…you a girl or a boy? Try going and talking to one of the Scientists or Doctors yourself for once you douchebag…maybe it will open up your eyes a little bit to what has happened here. You google searchers that think you actually know something annoy me. Let me ask you ChrisTY…have you ever talked face to face with one Doctor, Scientist, Toxicologist, etc. that has performed any of the Science associated with this issue from either side of the argument? Have you questioned them or took the time to understand what they did, how they did it, and what the result was? If you want evidence, get off your lazy fat ass and go out there and get it like I did. I already have it and like I said, someone as elementary as you will not understand until it is fully complete. If you want to know sooner, I highly recommend traveling the country and world like I did to get it.

Yes.

Here is the evidence I have:

Lack of Association between Measles Virus Vaccine and Autism with Enteropathy: A Case-Control Study.
Hornig M et al.
PLoS ONE 2008; 3(9): e3140 doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0003140
*Subjects: 25 children with autism and GI disturbances and 13 children with GI disturbances alone (controls)

Measles Vaccination and Antibody Response in Autism Spectrum Disorders.
Baird G et al.
Arch Dis Child 2008; 93(10):832-7.
Subjects: 98 vaccinated children aged 10-12 years in the UK with autism spectrum disorder (ASD); two control groups of similar age: 52 children with special educational needs but no ASD and 90 children in the typically developing group

MMR-Vaccine and Regression in Autism Spectrum Disorders: Negative Results Presented from Japan.
Uchiyama T et al.
J Autism Dev Disord 2007; 37(2):210-7
*Subjects: 904 children with autism spectrum disorder
(Note: MMR was used in Japan only between 1989 and 1993.)

No Evidence of Persisting Measles Virus in Peripheral Blood Mononuclear Cells from Children with Autism Spectrum Disorder.
D’Souza Y et al.
Pediatrics 2006; 118(4):1664-75
*Subjects: 54 children with autism spectrum disorder and 34 developmentally normal children

Immunizations and Autism: A Review of the Literature.
Doja A, Roberts W.
Can J Neurol Sci. 2006; 33(4):341-6
*Literature review

Pervasive Developmental Disorders in Montreal, Quebec, Canada: Prevalence and Links with Immunizations.
Fombonne E et al.
Pediatrics. 2006;118(1):e139-50
*Subjects: 27,749 children born from 1987 to 1998 attending 55 schools

Relationship between MMR Vaccine and Autism.
Klein KC, Diehl EB.
Ann Pharmacother. 2004; 38(7-8):1297-300
*Literature review of 10 studies

Immunization Safety Review: Vaccines and Autism. Institute of Medicine.
The National Academies Press: 2004
(w w w . nap.edu/books/030909237X/html) *Literature review

MMR Vaccination and Pervasive Developmental Disorders: A Case-Control Study.
Smeeth L et al.
Lancet 2004; 364(9438):963-9
*Subjects: 1294 cases and 4469 controls

Age at First Measles-Mumps-Rubella Vaccination in Children with Autism and School-Matched Control Subjects: A Population-Based Study in Metropolitan Atlanta.
DeStefano F et al. Pediatrics 2004; 113(2): 259-66
*Subjects: 624 children with autism and 1,824 controls

Prevalence of Autism and Parentally Reported Triggers in a North East London Population.
Lingam R et al.
Arch Dis Child 2003; 88(8):666-70
*Subjects: 567 children with autistic spectrum disorder

Neurologic Disorders after Measles-Mumps-Rubella Vaccination.
Makela A et al.
Pediatrics 2002; 110:957-63
*Subjects: 535,544 children vaccinated between November 1982 and June 1986 in Finland

A Population-Based Study of Measles, Mumps, and Rubella Vaccination and Autism.
Madsen KM et al.
N Engl J Med 2002; 347(19):1477-82
*Subjects: All 537,303 children born 1/91–12/98 in Denmark

Relation of Childhood Gastrointestinal Disorders to Autism: Nested Case Control Study Using Data from the UK General Practice Research Database.
Black C et al.
BMJ 2002; 325:419-21
*Subjects: 96 children diagnosed with autism and 449 controls

Measles, Mumps, and Rubella Vaccination and Bowel Problems or Developmental Regression in Children with Autism: Population Study.
Taylor B et al.
BMJ 2002; 324(7334):393-6
*Subjects: 278 children with core autism and 195 with atypical autism

No Evidence for a New Variant of Measles-Mumps-Rubella-Induced Autism.
Fombonne E et al.
Pediatrics 2001;108(4):E58
*Subjects: 262 autistic children (pre- and post-MMR samples)

Measles-Mumps-Rubella and Other Measles-Containing Vaccines Do Not Increase the Risk for Inflammatory Bowel Disease: A Case-Control Study from the Vaccine Safety Datalink Project.
Davis RL et al.
Arch Pediatr Adolesc Med 2001;155(3):354-9
*Subjects: 155 persons with IBD with up to 5 controls each

Time Trends in Autism and in MMR Immunization Coverage in California.
Dales L et al.
JAMA 2001; 285(9):1183-5
*Subjects: Children born in 1980-94 who were enrolled in California kindergartens (survey samples of 600–1,900 children each year)

Mumps, Measles, and Rubella Vaccine and the Incidence of Autism Recorded by General Practitioners: A Time Trend Analysis.
Kaye JA et al.
BMJ 2001; 322:460-63
*Subjects: 305 children with autism

Further Evidence of the Absence of Measles Virus Genome Sequence in Full Thickness Intestinal Specimens from Patients with Crohn’s Disease.
Afzal MA, et al.
J Med Virol 2000; 62(3):377-82
*Subjects: Specimens from patients with Crohn’s disease

Autism and Measles, Mumps, and Rubella Vaccine: No Epidemiological Evidence for a Causal Association.
Taylor B et al.
Lancet 1999;353 (9169):2026-9
*Subjects: 498 children with autism

Absence of Detectable Measles Virus Genome Sequence in Inflammatory Bowel Disease Tissues and Peripheral Blood Lymphocytes.
Afzal MA et al.
J Med Virol 1998; 55(3):243-9
*Subjects: 93 colonoscopic biopsies and 31 peripheral blood lymphocyte preparations

No Evidence for Measles, Mumps, and Rubella Vaccine-Associated Inflammatory Bowel Disease or Autism in a 14-year Prospective Study.
Peltola H et al.
Lancet 1998; 351:1327-8
*Subjects: 3,000,000 doses of MMR vaccine

Exposure to Measles in Utero and Crohn’s Disease: Danish Register Study.
Nielsen LL et al.
BMJ 1998; 316(7126):196-7
*Subjects: 472 women with measles

Immunocytochemical Evidence of Listeria, Escherichia coli, and Streptococcus Antigens in Crohn’s Disease.
Liu Y et al.
Gastroenterology 1995; 108(5):1396-1404
*Subjects: Intestines and mesenteric lymph node specimens from 21 persons from families with a high frequency of Crohn’s disease

Neuropsychological Performance 10 years after Immunization in Infancy with Thimerosal-Containing Vaccines
Tozzi AE, Bisiacchi P, Tarantino V, De Mei B, D’Elia L, Chiarotti F, Salmaso S.
Pediatrics, February 2009, Vol. 123(2):475-82

Mercury Levels in Newborns and Infants after Receipt of Thimerosal-Containing Vaccines
Pichichero ME, Gentile A, Giglio N, et al
Pediatrics, February 2008; 121(2) e208-214

Mercury, Vaccines, And Autism: One Controversy, Three Histories
Baker JP
American Journal of Public Health, February 2008;98(2): 244-253

Continuing Increases in Autism Reported to California’s Developmental Services System: Mercury in Retrograde
Schechter R, Grether JK
Arch Gen Psychiatry, January 2008; 65(1):19-24

Early Thimerosal Exposure and Neuropsychological Outcomes at 7 to 10 Years
Thompson WW, Price C, Goodson B, et al; Vaccine Safety Datalink Team
N Engl J Med, Sep 27, 2007; 357(13):1281-1292

Pervasive Developmental Disorders in Montreal, Quebec, Canada: Prevalence and Links with Immunizations
Fombonne E, Zakarian R, Bennett A, Meng L, McLean-Heywood D
Pediatrics, July 2006, Vol. 118(1):e139-e150

Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System Reporting Source: A Possible Source of Bias in Longitudinal Studies
Goodman MJ, Nordin J
Pediatrics, February 2006, Vol. 117(2):387-390

MMR-Vaccine and Regression in Autism Spectrum Disorders: Negative Results Presented from Japan
Authors: Uchiyama T, Kurosawa M, Inaba Y
Source: J Autism Dev Disord, February 2007; 37(2):210-217

No effect of MMR withdrawal on the incidence of autism: a total population study.
Honda H, Shimizu Y, Rutter M.
J Child Psychol Psychiatry. 2005 Jun;46(6):572-9.

Thimerosal in Vaccines: Balancing the Risk of Adverse Effects with the Risk of Vaccine-Preventable Disease
Bigham M, Copes R
Drug Safety, 2005, Vol. 28(2):89-101

Comparison of Blood and Brain Mercury Levels in Infant Monkeys Exposed to Methylmercury or Vaccines Containing Thimerosal
Burbacher TM, Shen DD, Liberato N, Grant KS, Cernichiari E, Clarkson T
National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences, April 21, 2005

Thimerosal Exposure in Infants and Developmental Disorders: A Prospective Cohort Study in the United Kingdom Does Not Support a Causal Association
Heron J, Golding J, ALSPAC Study Team
Pediatrics, September 2004, Vol. 114(3):577-583

Thimerosal Exposure in Infants and Developmental Disorders: A Retrospective Cohort Study in the United Kingdom Does Not Support a Causal Association
Andrews N, Miller E, Grant A, Stowe J, Osborne V, Taylor B
Pediatrics, September 2004, Vol. 114(3):584-591

Thimerosal-Containing Vaccines and Autistic Spectrum Disorder: A Critical Review of Published Original Data
Parker SK, Schwartz B, Todd J, Pickering LK
Pediatrics, September 2004, Vol. 114(3):793-804

The Evidence for the Safety of Thimerosal in Newborn and Infant Vaccines
Clements CJ
Vaccine, May 7, 2004, Vol. 22(15-16):1854-1861

Safety of Thimerosal-Containing Vaccines: A Two-Phased Study of Computerized Health Maintenance Organization Databases
Verstraeten T, Davis RL, DeStefano F, et al
Pediatrics, November 2003, Vol. 112(5):1039-1048

The Toxicology of Mercury–Current Exposures and Clinical Manifestations
Clarkson TW, Magos L, Myers GJ
New England Journal of Medicine, October 30, 2003, Vol. 349(18):1731-7

Association Between Thimerosal-Containing Vaccine and Autism
Hviid A, Stellfeld M, Wohlfahrt J, Melbye M
Journal of the American Medical Association, October 1, 2003, Vol. 290(13):1763-6

Thimerosal and the Occurrence of Autism: Negative Ecological Evidence from Danish Population-Based Data
Madsen KM, Lauritsen MB, Pedersen CB, et al
Pediatrics, Sept. 2003, Vol. 112(3 Pt 1):604-606

Autism and Thimerosal-Containing Vaccines. Lack of Consistent Evidence for an Association
Stehr-Green P, Tull P, Stellfeld M, Mortenson PB, Simpson D
American Journal of Preventive Medicine, August 2003, Vol. 25(2):101-6

Impact of the Thimerosal Controversy on Hepatitis B Vaccine Coverage of Infants Born to Women of Unknown Hepatitis B Surface Antigen Status in Michigan
Biroscak BJ, Fiore AE, Fasano N, Fineis P, Collins MP, Stoltman G
Pediatrics, June 2003, Vol. 111(6):e645-9

Vaccine Safety Policy Analysis in Three European Countries: The Case of Thimerosal
Freed GL, Andreae MC, Cowan AE, et al
Health Policy, December 2002, Vol. 62(3):291-307

Mercury Concentrations and Metabolism in Infants Receiving Vaccines Containing Thimerosal: A Descriptive Study
Pichichero ME, Cernichiari E, Lopreiato J, Treanor J
The Lancet, November 30, 2002, Vol. 360:1737-1741

An Assessment of Thimerosal Use in Childhood Vaccines
Ball LK, Ball R, Pratt RD
Pediatrics, May 2001, Vol. 107(5):1147-1154

Economic Evaluation of the 7-Vaccine Routine Childhood Immunization Schedule in the United States, 2001
Zhou F, Santoli J, Messonnier ML, Yusuf HR, Shefer A, Chu SY, Rodewald L, Harpaz R.
Arch Pediatr Adolesc Med. 2005;159:1136-1144.

An economic analysis of the current universal 2-dose measles-mumps-rubella vaccination program in the United States.
Zhou F, Reef S, Massoudi M, Papania MJ, Yusuf HR, Bardenheier B, Zimmerman L, McCauley MM.
J Infect Dis. 2004 May 1;189 Suppl 1:S131-45.

Impact of universal Haemophilus influenzae type b vaccination starting at 2 months of age in the United States: an economic analysis.
Zhou F, Bisgard KM, Yusuf HR, Deuson RR, Bath SK, Murphy TV.
Pediatrics. 2002 Oct;110(4):653-61.

Impact of specific medical interventions on reducing the prevalence of mental retardation.
Brosco JP, Mattingly M, Sanders LM.
Arch Pediatr Adolesc Med. 2006;160:302-309.

Encephalopathy after whole-cell pertussis or measles vaccination: lack of evidence for a causal association in a retrospective case-control study.
Ray P, Hayward J, Michelson D, Lewis E, Schwalbe J, Black S, Shinefield H, Marcy M, Huff K, Ward J, Mullooly J, Chen R, Davis R; Vaccine Safety Datalink Group.
Pediatr Infect Dis J. 2006 Sep;25(9):768-73.

Childhood vaccinations, vaccination timing, and risk of type 1 diabetes mellitus.
DeStefano F, Mullooly JP, Okoro CA, Chen RT, Marcy SM, Ward JI, Vadheim CM, Black SB, Shinefield HR, Davis RL, Bohlke K; Vaccine Safety Datalink Team.
Pediatrics. 2001 Dec;108(6):E112.

And yours is where?

@Ian, not even close. You could never guess this in a million years. It’s something you have never encountered before or even heard of I assure you.

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