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The clueless cite the ignorant to argue against vaccines

Remember Medical Voices?

It’s a group that I first discovered a year and a half ago that represented itself as a group of physicians and medical professionals who wanted to produce the “most comprehensive educational center on the Internet for physicians seeking the truth about vaccines.” Of course, it didn’t take me long to realize that MV was packed to the gills with the usual characters, antivaccine loons all, people such as Sherri Tenpenny, DO; Mayer Eisenstein, MD, JD, MPH; Harold Buttram, MD; and Leo Rebello, MD, ND, PhD. So copious were the utter nonsense, pseudoscience, misinformation and lies that populated that site, that reading Mark Crislip’s deconstruction of just a small portion of it in three classic posts:

  1. Nine Questions, Nine Answers
  2. Mumps
  3. Medical Voices: Always in Error, Never in Doubt

As a result of Mark’s work, Nick Haas challenged the crew at Science-Based Medicine to a “debate,” with hilarious results. I myself couldn’t resist having a bit of fun with Medical Voices by asking I know you are, but what am I?

I tell you this not so much to brag, but rather to give you an idea of what I’m about to deal with here. Sometime between a year ago and now, Medical Voices rebranded itself, dropped the “Medical Voices” moniker, and returned to its roots as the International Medical Council on Vaccination (IMCV). It’s a new/old name, but the anti-vaccine propaganda is the same. So is the way it’s served up on a slick website with people with a lot of letters after their names. This, of course, tells me that MDs and PhDs are no guarantee of critical thinking skills or an understanding of science. To get an idea of the intellectual bankruptcy of IMCV, consider this. Nearly a year ago, I utterly deconstructed a completely deceptive claim that vaccines didn’t save us written by one Raymond Obomsawin, PhD. When this dishonesty was pointed out to Dr. Obomsawin, he stated that he had had problems doing the graph correctly in Excel and that he would correct the graphs. He hasn’t. They’re still there. Not only are they still in their original location, but they’ve metastasized. Where, you might ask, have they metastasized? Well, if you read the link, you’d know that they’ve metastasized to the IMCV website in the form of a webinar entitled Graphic Reality: The Charting of Truth. Not only that, but he never changed his graphs.

So much for any pretense of intellectual honesty.

The reason I bring this up is because this week the IMCV appears to have teamed up with another font of anti-vaccine nonsense. With whom has the IMCV teamed up with? I’m half tempted to see if you can guess, but I’ll end the suspense and just tell you up front:

Mike Adams:

Today, the International Medical Council on Vaccination (www.VaccinationCouncil.org) has released, exclusively through NaturalNews.com, a groundbreaking document containing the signatures of over 80 family physicians, brain surgeons and professors of pathology, chemistry and immunity, all of which have signed on to a document stating, on the record, that vaccines pose a significant risk of harm to the health of children and that there is no real science backing the “vaccine mythology” which claims that vaccines are somehow good for children.

This groundbreaking document, called Vaccines: Get the Full Story, is available as a free download from NaturalNews.com. Click the report cover image on the right to go directly to the download page, where you’ll find downloads available in 9 languages, including Spanish, French, Hebrew and Russian.

You have permission to share this report. Please also share the download page with others so that moms and parents can get educated about the risks associated with vaccines and thereby protect their children from the risk of harm caused by vaccines.

Consider it done, Mike. I’m happy to share this report, because deconstructing anti-vaccine lies is what I do and this report is as big a pack of anti-vaccine lies as I’ve seen in a long time. Here is the link to download the report. Here is the direct link to the report in English. And, of course, in case Mikey decides to try to make the report disappear down the old memory hole, I’ll keep a copy of the PDF for myself.

Before I look at the report itself, I have to ask: What is it with cranks and petitions? I mean, seriously. Cranks promoting pseudoscientific nonsense (as the IMCV is) seem to love various petitions. Creationists, for instance, love them, so much so that the National Center for Science Education (NCSE) produced a list of defenders of evolution named Steve, as a parody of the various lists that evolution denialists produced of scientists who allegedly “doubt Darwin.” Despite the fact that limiting the list only to Steves limits the number of potential signers to less than 1% of the population, Project Steve has far more signatories and, among the signatories, far more real scientists than any creationist list. Currently Project Steve is up to 1,153 signatures. Denialists of anthropogenic global warming are also fond of such lists. The most famous such list among AGW denialists is without a doubt U.S. Senator James Inhofe’s list of scientists who “doubt” AGW. Of course, the vast majority of the scientists on the list are not climate scientists, and a lot of them are meteorologists, but that’s par for the course for crank lists like this. Perhaps the most amusing example of such lists is Patriots Question 9/11, which is a website that lists a bunch of people who “question” 9/11.

And now we have the anti-vaccine movement weighing in with its own list.

And what a pathetic list it is! After all, the 9/11 Truther list has a couple of thousand signatories. Inhofe’s list has over 600 signatories. Unfortunately for the anti-vaccine movement, apparently all the signatures the IMCV could scare up were around 80. I mean, come on! With All those crunchy docs out there falling for “complementary and alternative medicine” and its attendant tendency towards antivaccine views, they could come up with only 80 people to sign, many of whom aren’t even doctors or nurses but homeopaths or chiropractors. This is the best the flaks at IMCV could do? Only less than 90? And or old friend Dr. Jay Gordon isn’t even on the list! But, hey, tiny numbers aside, the IMCV has a brain surgeon; so the list must have validity, right? Oh, wait. Creationists have a brain surgeon too. Remember Dr. Michael Egnor, a neurosurgeon so obtuse about evolution and dualism that the skeptical blogosphere even coined a term for his special form of idiocy, namely Egnorance?

So who signed the IMCV list? Well, perusing the list, I don’t see any real vaccine scientists, but I do see a lot of names I recognize, anti-vaccine loons all: David Ayoub (known for his belief in black helicopters); Russell Blaylock (who’s into HIV/AIDS denialism, too); Rashid Buttar (who’s as dubious and nasty as they come); Harold Buttram (one of the promoters of the idea that shaken baby syndrome is in reality vaccine injury, not to mention also a prominent member of the crank organization AAPS); Mayer Eisenstein; Boyd Haley; Suzanne Humphries; Sherri Nakken (who describes herself as a “Hahnemann homeopath“); Andrew Maniotis (not a physician but he is an HIV/AIDS denialist); Christiane Northrup; Veira Scheibner (also a proponent of the view that shaken baby syndrome is in reality vaccine injury); Bruce Shelton; Sherri Tenpenny (of course!); and Renee Tocco (a chiropractor well known in the anti-vaccine movement, particularly, alas, in my home state). On the list, there are six naturopaths and nine chiropractors. In other words, these are not people whom I would describe as having much in the way of qualifications. It is rather interesting to note, however, that Christiane Northrup has finally let her freak flag fly high, signing an explicitly anti-vaccine statement.

Upon reading the statement, I was actually surprised by it. No, I wasn’t surprised by what it said. Rather, I was surprised at how transparently pathetic it was. The claims made on it were either really easily refuted or trivially true but meaningless. Take, for example, this claim: “These are some of the diseases that have documented associations with vaccines.” After this, a whole lot of diseases and conditions are listed. Of course, the key word is “documented.” All that means is that there has to be someone who has either published a study or claimed to have data that show an association. It says nothing whatsoever about the quality of the data or studies supporting an association. As I’ve discussed many times on this blog, the evidence anti-vaccinationists produce in support of links between vaccines and all these diseases tends to be of the poorest quality. Alternatively, as with the “package insert gambit,” the conditions tend to be rare and rarely associated with vaccines.

The rest of the list is so full of common anti-vaccine tropes that I actually laughed as I read it. I really did. For instance, IMCV plays the “toxin gambit”:

Some Vaccine Ingredients: How is it possible that vaccines will not be harmful to your health?

  • Stray viruses and bacteria from the animal cell cultures that vaccines are made in.
  • Mercury, a well‐documented neurotoxin, is still in the multi‐dose flu vaccines throughout the world. Trace amounts remain in several other vaccines.
  • Aluminum, a poison that can cause bone, bone marrow and brain degeneration.
  • Animal cells from monkeys, dog kidneys, chickens, cows, and humans.
  • Formaldehyde (embalming fluid), a known carcinogen.
  • Polysorbate 80, known to cause infertility in female mice and testicular atrophy in male mice.
  • Gelatin, from pigs and cows, known to cause anaphylactic reactions, is found in large quantities in the MMR, chickenpox and shingles vaccines.
  • Monosodium glutamate (MSG) in inhaled flu vaccines, is known to cause metabolic disturbances (e.g. diabetes), seizures and other neurologic disorders.

Let’s see. Refutations are not hard to find for the “toxin gambit,” the “formaldehyde gambit,” the “fetal cells gambit,” the “polysorbate-80 gambit,” the “mercury gambit,” and thealuminum gambit.” Yes, pretty much all of the misinformation contained in the list above is so common that they have their own names as recognized lies favored by anti-vaccine loons. Basically, this list is utter bunk, pure nonsense, as is this argument:

Autism is associated with vaccines.

  • Autism was rare until the mass vaccination programs were accelerated in 1991, with the introduction of the hepatitis B vaccine and the HiB (meningitis) vaccine. Tens of thousands of parents will attest that autism appeared in their children very soon after they were given these, and other, vaccines.
  • Study the information on the website www.fourteenstudies.org. You will find the studies denying the association between autism and vaccines to be highly questionable.

Let’s see. #1 is the classic confusing correlation with causation argument. In fact, it’s so blatant that I have to ask what the correlation is between autism prevalence and the number of pirates. #2 made me chuckle uproariously, as I recalled my deconstruction of J.B. Handley’s utterly ridiculous Fourteen Studies website. Basically, the website is nothing more than a heapin’ helpin’ of scientific ignorance. Much like the IMCV website, come to think of it.

I could go on and on and on, but I think I’ll limit myself to one last passage. If you really want an idea of how idiotic the IMCV “report” is, just how full of burning stupid intense enough to incinerate whole cities–nay, whole continents!–you have to read this part:

Is there any research that shows the difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated children?

The Cal‐Oregon project sponsored by Generation Rescue surveyed parents of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated U.S. children. Of the 17,674 children included in the survey, the results showed:

  • Vaccinated children had 120% more asthma.
  • Vaccinated boys had 317% more ADHD.
  • Vaccinated boys had 185% more neurologic disorders.
  • Vaccinated boys had 146% more autism.

Girls represented only 20% of the total number of children in the survey. To read the full study for yourself, go to www.generationrescue.org/pdf/survey.pdf.

This is pure comedy gold! Seriously. there’s a reason I can’t go on much longer after this one, because I was just doubled over in laughter that anyone would be so clueless as to cite the infamous Generation Rescue telephone survey from three and a half years ago. I have to catch my breath. While I’m doing that, take a moment and read my detailed demolition of this survey. Then read Prometheus’ excellent deconstruction. Then read Kevin Leitch’s excellent analysis of what is wrong with this study and revisit his spot-on conclusion:

There’s no getting away from this. This is a disaster for Generation Rescue and the whole ‘vaccines cause autism’ debacle. Generation Rescue’s data indicates that you are ‘safer’ from autism if you fully vaccinate than partially vaccinate. It also indicates that across the spectrum of autism, you are only 1% more likely to be autistic if you have had any sort of vaccination as oppose to no vaccinations at all – and thats only if you are male. If you are a girl you chances of being on the spectrum are less if you have been vaccinated! Across both boys and girls, your chances of being on the spectrum are less if you have received all vaccinations.

Of course, the results of this “study” are utter crap and not to be believed because of the extreme methodological flaws. However, for the sake of argument, let’s say the methodology was sound and the results were credible. As Kev points out, in that case, the survey would actually be evidence against a link between vaccines and autism, which is why I chuckle heartily every time I see anti-vaccinationists like the crew of clueless wonders at the IMCV cite this survey as “evidence” for a link between vaccines and autism. Even the most charitable interpretation of the survey is, as Prometheus put it, that the survey says nothing. Again, much like the IMCV report, which relies on known anti-vaccine activists and discredited sources of information designed to flog anti-vaccine fears in order to spread the twin lies that vaccines don’t work and are dangerous.

That the IMCV would cite such nonsensical “evidence” in support of its case should tell you all you need to know about the organization, such as it is.

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197 replies on “The clueless cite the ignorant to argue against vaccines”

Heh. The IMCV attempted to pressure our NSW Health Care Complaints Commission into retracting its findings against Meryl Dorey and the AVN. It sent a letter to the HCCC and media threatening an escalation of negative media commentary unless the HCCC recanted. Needless to say, the HCCC and the media ignored the misplaced bravado of a bunch of cranks.
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=76305414878&topic=21081

Formaldehyde (embalming fluid), a known carcinogen.

Whatever the medical experience of these people, evidently none of them are embalmers.

Polysorbate 80, known to cause infertility in female mice and testicular atrophy in male mice.
And an ingredient in many foods:

In Europe and America people eat about 0.1 g of polysorbate 80 in foods per day.[7] Influenza vaccines contain 0.000025 g of polysorbate 80 per dose.[6]

Monosodium glutamate (MSG) in inhaled flu vaccines, is known to cause metabolic disturbances (e.g. diabetes), seizures and other neurologic disorders.
Oh dear:

Monosodium glutamate is one of several forms of glutamic acid found in foods, in large part because glutamic acid, being an amino acid, is pervasive in nature.

FOOD IS TOXIC!!!!

The only thing missing from the list is the Dihydrogen Oxide gambit.

They’re okay with having the Shaken Baby Syndrome person on their list? Wow.

So, they’ve found 80 signatories to their petition statement thingy?

We could go all Project Steve on them and find 80 signatories named “steve” to sign a counter document.

Don’t know Project Steve? Look it up! Have you no research skills??

/heads off to make a sammich

@Herr Doktor Bimler
To be fair there are a lot of people with adverse reactions to Monosodium glutamate, albeit not in such small doses. It#s usually eating your way through the Chinese buffet that causes trouble 😉

Which category do you place the Finnish National Institute for Health and Welfare? Just curious.

“The National Institute for Health and Welfare (THL) is a research and development institute under the Finnish Ministry of Social Affairs and Health.THL works to promote the well-being and health of the population, prevent diseases and social problems, and develop social and health services.THL is the statutory statistical authority in health and welfare and maintains a strong knowledge base within its own field of operations.”

http://www.thl.fi/en_US/web/en/Home

Finland’s National Public Health Institute (THL) today (1 February) said that young people between 4 and 19 years of age, who received Pandremix swine flu vaccine in 2009-2010 had manifold increased risk of falling ill with narcolepsy, a chronic disease of the central nervous system, which makes affected people to fall asleep suddenly and unexpectedly.

http://www.euractiv.com/en/health/finns-table-evidence-pandremix-narcolepsy-link-news-501798

@Harold
How many times do you and others want to discuss this. Funny thing is that it happened nowhere else but in Finland and Sweden and they’re still totally clueless about what is causing it or whether there’s a connection at all. As good healthcare politicians do, they issued a warning and are now trying to find out what’s going on. You really have no mercy on the deceased equine

@Harold,

Why don’t you read this blog from today and offer your thoughts?

http://theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=2794#more-2794

It’s certainly an unusual problem and merits further study, but it’s hardly a slam dunk against vaccination until we get clear answers to two questions.

1. Why didn’t other countries using the same Pandemrix vaccine show increased narcolepsy?

2. Why did unvaccinated as well as vaccinated people in Iceland show an increase in narcolepsy?

Squirellette thank you for your very civil response. Your questions are important and I believe those questions are being looked at in Finland and Sweden. I agree also that this situation is not a slam dunk against vaccination. I, and my children, receive all recommended vaccines but I still advocate for informed consent which I believe actually helps promote vaccine programs.

So basically these fools just copied the standard anti-vax canards and pasted them into their document, which Adams is no doubt touting as a Landmark Study.
Typical. too lazy to even make up their own anti-vax bollocks.

@herr doktor bimler,

As you are referencing a covalent bond, it should be dihydrogen monoxide. Chemistry review last semester and all that.
Cheers

@Harold Doherty

Re the Finnish study of H1N1 and narcolepsy, there might be a causal connection, but their study is preliminary and provides no solid conclusions one way or another. You can read more about it here.

And on the formaldehyde bit, do they not realize that the human body makes formaldehyde? ZOMG!!11! Our bodies are trying to kill us!!!!eleventyone!1!

Gelatin, from pigs and cows, known to cause anaphylactic reactions, is found in large quantities in the MMR, chickenpox and shingles vaccines.

GUMMY BEARS CAUSE AUTISM!!!!!!

Gelatin? Gelatin??!!?

It’s a wonder any of my generation survived. Icecream and jelly was standard fare at every single birthday party and many, many summer meals. Let alone those fancy trifles on seriously special occasions.

@MikeMa #13:

@herr doktor bimler,

As you are referencing a covalent bond, it should be dihydrogen monoxide. Chemistry review last semester and all that.
Cheers

I’m convinced that dihydrogen monoxide must be toxic. If it were not toxic, why is it always supplied diluted in copious quantities of hydrogen hydroxide? Answer me that, science-boy?! It’s all a conspiracy against da stoopid!!

Why did unvaccinated as well as vaccinated people in Iceland show an increase in narcolepsy?

It must be because of quantum entanglemant between the two groups.

Warning: parts of this post may include attempted humour.

@Sam C
You are right of course. The hydrogen hydroxide is a combination of an acid (the hydrogen ion) and a base (the hydroxide ion). This potentially explosive combination is going to ruin my coffee!

What actually is a “large quantity” of gelatin?

Perhaps MMR vaccine is like a blue police box, and is humungously larger in the inside.

“Animal cells from monkeys, dog kidneys, chickens, cows, and humans”

Yes, but were they *fetid* dog kidneys?

Also on their list – Philip Incao, the holistic physician for AIDS denier Christine Maggiore. He didn’t exactly cover himself in glory with his treatment of Christine’s daughter [who was dying of AIDS], saying she wasn’t unwell.

Well, at least one of the clueless and ignorant is backing away from vaccines as a cause of ASD: Apparently even Jenny McCarthy, Dr. Jay Gordon’s good friend, “no longer speaks out against vaccines.”

http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2011/02/jenny-mccarthy-backs-away-from-vaccines/

Speaking of clueless: Does Dr. Jay still give Andrew Wakefield his unwavering support, or is he just a bit slower than McCarthy?

http://drjaygordon.com/miscellaneous/autismone.html

MikeMa writes:

This potentially explosive combination is going to ruin my coffee!

On the last day of the semester, my physical chem prof in college did an entertaining series of Mr. Wizard/”magic trick” sorts of demonstrations for us. The best was a large clear jug with a pipette protruding up through a rubber stopper in the top. Setting the area above the tip of the pipette alight, he explained the jug contained hydrogen, and at the point where the proportion of hydrogen to oxygen was exactly right, there would be a small explosion (at the exact moment he said the word “explosion,” there was a “Poof!” and a cloud formed inside the jug), producing water vapor.

We applauded.

@ Jud:

One of the chemistry teachers at my high school liked dropping metallic sodium into a beaker of water for fun. In sufficient quantities that the beaker did not survive. The same fellow taught me to make flour bombs (surprisingly easy to get a surprisingly big bang).

I never actually had him for a class, but he was the Science Olympiad coach.

It’s damage control! Over the past few weeks, nearly identical activity with the same cast has occured at Null’s enterprise ( progressiveradionetwork.com) with Eisenstein, Tenpenny, Humphries, Adams, etc., plus two interviews with Andy, and with ( a rare sane voice) Brian Deer ( prn archives/ Gary Null show/ 1/25/11, 3PM).

If you think about it, many alt med entrepereneurs have bolstered their own careers by capitalizing on parents’ fears of vaccines and using Wakefield’s “results” as evidence to push their own products ( supplements, books, films) for years . It’s only natural that they rush in to try to salvage the crumbling edifice of anti-vax. Looking at Adams’ screeds, you’ll find that drumming up fear of vaccines is an integral part of his message : “They’ll come with government agents to FORCE you to vaccinate!!!” There’s no way that all of that “literature” can go down the memory hole! It permeates even posts that have nothing to do with vaccination.

If customers feel that Adams and the others are “wrong” about vaccines, they might question other information supplied by them as well.

I’d take Jenny’s apparent backing off rumor with a grain of salt. See, for instance, Sullivan’s comment on that LBRB article.

I’m sure that Jenny would LOVE to not talk about vaccines anymore, since anti-vax lunacy like hers is generally treated with contempt nowadays.

Make no mistake, she is still anti-vaccine, but she doesn’t want people talking about her because they will continually bring up that fact.

@Harold L Doherty,

Of course, if any particular vaccine, say a hypothetical Widgitrex, were found to increase risk of some particular condition, that would be no more a slam dunk against vaccines in general that the Toyota recalls of last year are a slam dunk against transportation by automobile.

I hate how these groups use what look like legitimate organization names, like International Medical Council on Vaccines or National Vaccine Information Cenetr. It’s highly misleading. They act like domain squatters, and you’d have to be much more familiar than most laymen with either the legitimate bodies or the history of these vaccine fear groups (or both) to really know the difference.

Either that or you’d have to check multiple sources (who does that?) and know to expect deceit and alarmism over real non-issues, which I think can only be learned by experience. That is rough.

I was very lucky my old prof. Bill Dew pointed me to Quackwatch years back, or I’d’ve been suckered by a lot more woo.

Animal cells from monkeys, dog kidneys, chickens, cows, and humans.

With all of those scientists and brain surgeons they have on their roster, not a single one knows the size of a mammalian or bird cells as opposed to say, the size of the purification filters?

Jason,

Project Steve is already taken. We need a Project Dave perhaps. Hell, if we’re only trying to beat 80 signatures we could probably get there with a Project Orac.

-RR-

Science mom: I’ve brought this up again and again with anti-vaxers, and from what they’ve told me, they see no difference between whole cells and say, a sticky protein or DNA fragment that makes it through the purification process. They tell me it’s “all semantics.”

Science Mom @32

With all of those scientists and brain surgeons they have on their roster, not a single one knows the size of a mammalian or bird cells as opposed to say, the size of the purification filters?

You are forgetting about the solvent’s memory of the mammalian or bird cells which can pass through the finest of filters due to transverse quantum encabulation. The vaccines could be passed through a Philpritz demodulator, but this would cut into the manufacturer’s profits.

I`VE NEVER READ SO MANY INSECURE POSTS IN ALL MY LIFE “THE LIST OF DOCTORS 80” SEEMS TO HAVE CAUSED YOU ALL TO GROUP…

BE WORRIED ,BE VERY WORRIED YOU LOT…

@38
All-One our soul, self-discipline the key to love, uniting All-One above! Above! So, when your fellow man you measure, take him at his best, with that lever, lift him higher, overlook the rest! For we’re All-One or none! As teach for 6000 years astronomers Abraham & Israel: “LISTEN CHILDREN ETERNAL FATHER WAKEFIELD ETERNALLY ONE”

Sorry do you speak English I wrote “Group” I meant to write has caused you all to s-h-i-t yourself…

OQF,
We are worried that there are so many fools that believe so much crap from so few credible sources. The point of the post is that the 80 are not credible sources.

We also worry about vaccine preventable disease and her immunity. And idjits wasting money on non-vaccine related quack cures. And posters using all caps too.

Whatever!!do you take the vaccine- poisons yourself? it would explain your ,crazy people on here..

Soo many people coming out,and telling the truth about vaccines,I`m suprised the USA hasn` banned people telling the truth these days,silly me they have and are trying to jail ASSANGE and Wiki leaks…

Another one ,to shit on guys ,or on one another , whatever your into ,on this site.

http://www.wnho.net/vaccination_news.htm

Yep,yep,just keep taking the pills and shots Todd must be sad, having nobody to shit on…

Another Pharma liar along with Deer your collecting them you would have no problem creating a list of cheats either lets call it project BRIAN after Deer the liar and fraud…

http://www.naturalnews.com/028194_Scott_Reuben_research_fraud.html

(NaturalNews) It’s being called the largest research fraud in medical history. Dr. Scott Reuben, a former member of Pfizer’s speakers’ bureau, has agreed to plead guilty to faking dozens of research studies that were published in medical journals.

Now being reported across the mainstream media is the fact that Dr. Reuben accepted a $75,000 grant from Pfizer to study Celebrex in 2005. His research, which was published in a medical journal, has since been quoted by hundreds of other doctors and researchers as “proof” that Celebrex helped reduce pain during post-surgical recovery. There’s only one problem with all this: No patients were ever enrolled in the study!

Dr. Scott Reuben, it turns out, faked the entire study and got it published anyway.

It wasn’t the first study faked by Dr. Reuben: He also faked study data on Bextra and Vioxx drugs, reports the Wall Street Journal.

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/028194_Scott_Reuben_research_fraud.html#ixzz1CuwJ60zN

Yep,yep,just keep taking the pills and shots

Another Pharma liar along with Deer your collecting them you would have no problem creating a list of cheats either lets call it project BRIAN after Deer the liar and fraud…

http://www.naturalnews.com/028194_Scott_Reuben_research_fraud.html

(NaturalNews) It’s being called the largest research fraud in medical history. Dr. Scott Reuben, a former member of Pfizer’s speakers’ bureau, has agreed to plead guilty to faking dozens of research studies that were published in medical journals.

Now being reported across the mainstream media is the fact that Dr. Reuben accepted a $75,000 grant from Pfizer to study Celebrex in 2005. His research, which was published in a medical journal, has since been quoted by hundreds of other doctors and researchers as “proof” that Celebrex helped reduce pain during post-surgical recovery. There’s only one problem with all this: No patients were ever enrolled in the study!

Dr. Scott Reuben, it turns out, faked the entire study and got it published anyway.

It wasn’t the first study faked by Dr. Reuben: He also faked study data on Bextra and Vioxx drugs, reports the Wall Street Journal.

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/028194_Scott_Reuben_research_fraud.html#ixzz1CuwJ60zN

Before I look at the report itself, I have to ask: What is it with cranks and petitions?

I would think that one of the driving forces behind any crank (and many politicians) is this fundamental idea that if they believe hard enough, and get as many others as they can to believe hard enough, then they will somehow be right. It’s like they think reality is one of J.M. Barrie’s fairies.

caudoviral

They need to self assure one another to counter the list of doctors against vaccines…

http://www.tremante.it/index_file/Page5885.html

Merck admits inoculation of the virus to cancer

The vaccine division of Merck Pharmaceuticals, admits the inoculation of the virus of cancer through vaccines.

The shocking censored interview conducted by a scholar of medical history Edward Shorter for public television WGBH in Boston and Blackwell Science, was cut from the book “The Health Century” because of its content – the admission that Merck has traditionally injected the viruses (SV40 and others) in the population worldwide.

This movie contained in the documentary “In Lies We Trust: The CIA, Hollywood & Bioterrorism, produced and created by the free association of consumer protection and by the public health, Dr. Leonard Horowitz, features the interview to as expert vaccines in the world, Dr. Maurice Hilleman, who explains why Merck has spread AIDS, leukemia and other terrible wounds in the world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edikv0zbAlU

Production of vaccines and not optional:

You must buy the seeds of the disease (Ed: It’s not the seed to produce the disease, this is false ‘in biology), a toxic bacterium or a virus “alive” (ed: NOT’ may have virus “live” , since they are not living beings but lipid protein containing portion of DNA) to be attenuated, or weakened for human use, with a series of steps by passing the virus through animal tissue cultures several times to reduce its pathogenic potential for as the vaccine is associated with the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) is prepared nell’embrione chick, the polio virus through the kidneys of African green monkey and the rubella virus through human diploid cells or organs cut of aborted fetuses.

See: Content of Vaccines

How are produced:

explains Dr. Alain Scohl in an article we present the most significant, appeared on Kairos No 4 / 97 where he states: “The vaccine inoculation is carried out in spite of all the usual safety rules recommended for medical treatment.” The techniques of preparation of vaccines are kept secret.

Usually even the great teachers they know (perhaps not even the Ministry?).

Today, modern viral vaccines are prepared mainly on cultured human fetal cells or animals, artificially cancerizzate to literally make them immortal (reproduce inside living bodies), and have a certain “stability of the product” when it is not already cancerous cells (lymphomas).

To increase the efficiency of production, the cells “immortal” are “fed” with the blood serum of cows, which has a growth factor particularly active.

It ‘just the liquid culture of these cells cancerizzate being inoculated, after filtering and treatment to reduce or kill the virus. It ‘absolutely impossible to have a pure product. The ‘WHO “hopes” modestly a purity of 90% but not 100%.

What dangers?

These vaccines are inoculano in our body – surely Carcinogens in huge quantities

– Some tools (cellular scale) used in genetic manipulation (in the case of genetically modified vaccines), as parts of enzymes and DNA. This material may ignite at any time changes in the genetic message in the vaccinated, as well as unknown viruses.

For certain vaccines (polio and others) are used cultured cells of kidneys of African green monkeys, (ed: which is prepared with the polio vaccine – the monkey kidney contains a progenitor of the virus HIV, that they say will produce AIDS ) calf serum and chick embryo are proteins, organic matter composed of animal cells.

Viruses such improperly “murdered”:

A virus can not ‘be killed because it is not’ a living being, but only a toxic protein containing DNA – they become “inactive” – in reality only “weak” – with heat, radiation or chemicals, but in some cases a state febrile can reactivate the virus. The virus “weakened” should be strengthened with adjuvants (antibody buster) and stabilizers, adding drugs, antibiotics and toxic disinfectants to the basic preparation: neomycin, streptomycin, sodium chloride, sodium hydroxide , aluminum hydroxide, aluminum hydrochloride, sorbitol, hydrolyzed gelatin, formaldehyde (product cancerous) and thiomersal (the mercury). Comments: Ed: The virus is NOT ‘a micro-organism, but only a lipid protein containing DNA, and then and ‘a protein TOXIC!

Since this “toxic organic matter” is injected directly into the bloodstream, bypassing all the mechanisms of natural immune defense, it can also alter our genetic structure, as well as the subject immunodeprimere vaccinated.

Several researchers have noted that the vaccines “cheat” by stimulating the body to focus on only one aspect (ie the production of antibodies) of the many complex strategies normally available to the immune system.

Virus (toxic proteins):

of animals used in crop preparation of vaccines and inoculated with them, they can jump the species barrier in a hidden and undetectable.

It ‘exactly what happened during the 50s and 70s when millions of people have been infected with the polio vaccine (Sabin) and contaminated with the virus SV-40 (monkey virus) and bodies in the past used monkey to prepare vaccines.

SV-40 – a contaminant – (the fortieth monkey virus detected since researchers began to observe them), is considered a potent suppressor of the immune system, a powerful booster of HIV, the name given to the virus’ AIDS.

They say that because a clinical condition similar to ‘AIDS and was also found in brain tumors in leukemia and other cancers in humans. Researchers consider it a virus that produces cancer Pleura: mesothelioma.

According to Dr. David Kessler, former official of the Food and Drug Administration, “only about one percent of serious events (adverse reactions to vaccines) will be reported to the FDA. So it is quite possible that every year millions of people have reactions adverse vaccine requirements. ”

Dr. Robert Mendelsohn who has often criticized the official medicine for its bigoted doctrine.

He argued that “doctors are the priests who deliver the holy water in the form of inoculations” to give the initiation ritual of the great medical industry to our consecration.

Dr. Richard Moskowitz said: “Vaccines have become sacraments of our faith in biotechnology. Their effectiveness and safety are widely seen as self evident and does not need further tests.”

Each year, the FDA received thousands of reports of adverse reactions to vaccines. These figures include brain injuries and deaths.

This information is stored in a database of government secrets (USA) to which American citizens have access (with some restrictions) using the Freedom of Information Act (Law on Freedom of Information). E ‘divided into categories that include the vaccines. administered, the types of reaction, information on admissions and deaths, and more.

The data are by 1990 to Agosto2004

From: http://thinktwice.com/secret.htm

You are forgetting about the solvent’s memory of the mammalian or bird cells which can pass through the finest of filters due to transverse quantum encabulation. The vaccines could be passed through a Philpritz demodulator, but this would cut into the manufacturer’s profits.

Oh duh! Of course, what was I thinking?

@ Enkidu, I know, don’t you just love the higher order thinking going on there?

Whenever anti-vaxers complain about MSG (or any altie complaining about it) it makes me want Chinese food. My favorite Chinese place makes an exquisite beef chow fun.

Great article Orac! I googled Senator James “Inofe” and found Senator James “Inhofe” on the Wikipedia site. Just a quick perusal of the site revealed that this Republican senator from Oklahoma has some very-far-to-the-right views; he is on board to make English the official language, is against any legislation regarding the civil rights of gay and lesbians and is definitely a global warming denier.

Scrolling down the site are his committee assignments in the Senate and the hundreds of thousands of dollars he receives from gas, oil and energy interests…his prime fund raising sources.

His many trips to Africa on behalf of Christian evangelical groups, paid for by public funds, have been questioned. He replied to some of these questions that it is “a Jesus thing”.

Hmm, I wonder if he could be labeled as a gas, oil, energy, Jesus shill?

gotta teach you how to spell as well and he is your hero ?its Hilliman

Fucking great guy…now tell the truth it goes like this..

http://www.tremante.it/index_file/Page5885.html

MERCK ADMITS INOCULATION OF THE VIRUS TO CANCER

The vaccine division of Merck Pharmaceuticals, admits the inoculation of the virus of cancer through vaccines.

The shocking censored interview conducted by a scholar of medical history Edward Shorter for public television WGBH in Boston and Blackwell Science, was cut from the book “The Health Century” because of its content – the admission that Merck has traditionally injected the viruses (SV40 and others) in the population worldwide.

This movie contained in the documentary “In Lies We Trust: The CIA, Hollywood & Bioterrorism, produced and created by the free association of consumer protection and by the public health, Dr. Leonard Horowitz, features the interview to as expert vaccines in the world, Dr. Maurice Hilleman, who explains why Merck has spread AIDS, leukemia and other terrible wounds in the world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edikv0zbAlU

Production of vaccines and not optional:

You must buy the seeds of the disease (Ed: It’s not the seed to produce the disease, this is false ‘in biology), a toxic bacterium or a virus “alive” (ed: NOT’ may have virus “live” , since they are not living beings but lipid protein containing portion of DNA) to be attenuated, or weakened for human use, with a series of steps by passing the virus through animal tissue cultures several times to reduce its pathogenic potential for as the vaccine is associated with the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) is prepared nell’embrione chick, the polio virus through the kidneys of African green monkey and the rubella virus through human diploid cells or organs cut of aborted fetuses.

See: Content of Vaccines

How are produced:

explains Dr. Alain Scohl in an article we present the most significant, appeared on Kairos No 4 / 97 where he states: “The vaccine inoculation is carried out in spite of all the usual safety rules recommended for medical treatment.” The techniques of preparation of vaccines are kept secret.

Usually even the great teachers they know (perhaps not even the Ministry?).

Today, modern viral vaccines are prepared mainly on cultured human fetal cells or animals, artificially cancerizzate to literally make them immortal (reproduce inside living bodies), and have a certain “stability of the product” when it is not already cancerous cells (lymphomas).

To increase the efficiency of production, the cells “immortal” are “fed” with the blood serum of cows, which has a growth factor particularly active.

It ‘just the liquid culture of these cells cancerizzate being inoculated, after filtering and treatment to reduce or kill the virus. It ‘absolutely impossible to have a pure product. The ‘WHO “hopes” modestly a purity of 90% but not 100%.

What dangers?

These vaccines are inoculano in our body – surely Carcinogens in huge quantities

– Some tools (cellular scale) used in genetic manipulation (in the case of genetically modified vaccines), as parts of enzymes and DNA. This material may ignite at any time changes in the genetic message in the vaccinated, as well as unknown viruses.

For certain vaccines (polio and others) are used cultured cells of kidneys of African green monkeys, (ed: which is prepared with the polio vaccine – the monkey kidney contains a progenitor of the virus HIV, that they say will produce AIDS ) calf serum and chick embryo are proteins, organic matter composed of animal cells.

Viruses such improperly “murdered”:

A virus can not ‘be killed because it is not’ a living being, but only a toxic protein containing DNA – they become “inactive” – in reality only “weak” – with heat, radiation or chemicals, but in some cases a state febrile can reactivate the virus. The virus “weakened” should be strengthened with adjuvants (antibody buster) and stabilizers, adding drugs, antibiotics and toxic disinfectants to the basic preparation: neomycin, streptomycin, sodium chloride, sodium hydroxide , aluminum hydroxide, aluminum hydrochloride, sorbitol, hydrolyzed gelatin, formaldehyde (product cancerous) and thiomersal (the mercury). Comments: Ed: The virus is NOT ‘a micro-organism, but only a lipid protein containing DNA, and then and ‘a protein TOXIC!

Since this “toxic organic matter” is injected directly into the bloodstream, bypassing all the mechanisms of natural immune defense, it can also alter our genetic structure, as well as the subject immunodeprimere vaccinated.

Several researchers have noted that the vaccines “cheat” by stimulating the body to focus on only one aspect (ie the production of antibodies) of the many complex strategies normally available to the immune system.

Virus (toxic proteins):

of animals used in crop preparation of vaccines and inoculated with them, they can jump the species barrier in a hidden and undetectable.

It ‘exactly what happened during the 50s and 70s when millions of people have been infected with the polio vaccine (Sabin) and contaminated with the virus SV-40 (monkey virus) and bodies in the past used monkey to prepare vaccines.

SV-40 – a contaminant – (the fortieth monkey virus detected since researchers began to observe them), is considered a potent suppressor of the immune system, a powerful booster of HIV, the name given to the virus’ AIDS.

They say that because a clinical condition similar to ‘AIDS and was also found in brain tumors in leukemia and other cancers in humans. Researchers consider it a virus that produces cancer Pleura: mesothelioma.

According to Dr. David Kessler, former official of the Food and Drug Administration, “only about one percent of serious events (adverse reactions to vaccines) will be reported to the FDA. So it is quite possible that every year millions of people have reactions adverse vaccine requirements. ”

Dr. Robert Mendelsohn who has often criticized the official medicine for its bigoted doctrine.

He argued that “doctors are the priests who deliver the holy water in the form of inoculations” to give the initiation ritual of the great medical industry to our consecration.

Dr. Richard Moskowitz said: “Vaccines have become sacraments of our faith in biotechnology. Their effectiveness and safety are widely seen as self evident and does not need further tests.”

Each year, the FDA received thousands of reports of adverse reactions to vaccines. These figures include brain injuries and deaths.

This information is stored in a database of government secrets (USA) to which American citizens have access (with some restrictions) using the Freedom of Information Act (Law on Freedom of Information). E ‘divided into categories that include the vaccines. administered, the types of reaction, information on admissions and deaths, and more.

The data are by 1990 to Agosto2004

From: http://thinktwice.com/secret.htm

OQF

yep,yep,just keep taking the pills and shots

Maybe you should go back on your meds so you can achieve at least the coherency of a Dr Bronner’s Magic Soap label.

“You are forgetting about the solvent’s memory of the mammalian or bird cells which can pass through the finest of filters due to transverse quantum encabulation.”

Cells teleport too.

LW, the real problem is that the water in the vaccine vials retains the memory of the mercury it once contained–but the dilution makes the effect much more powerful. The Mercury Moms were right–now that thimerosal has been removed from the pediatric vaccine schedule, autism continues to increase due to the homeopathic effects!

Orac comments:

“I was thinking maybe Project Paul for Paul Offit.”

If all we’re aiming for is to overwhelm the pathetic numbers of Mike Adams’ list, we could start “Project Louis” or “Project Elliot”. For that matter, why are we eliminating women from the list? How about “Project Beatrice” or “Project Jessica”?

Frankly, I find all of these “people who think like we do” lists pretty pathetic. Especially if they can muster less than a hundred names.

I also seem to remember an advertisement published (in a large newspaper) by one of the “vaccines-cause-autism” groups that listed a number of studies purported to support their claims. As I recall, over the next few days a number of the authors of those papers wrote to the Editor asserting that their research did not, in fact, support the claims of the vaccines-cause-autism group. Perhaps somebody reading this will remember who, what and where and refresh my memory of this event. It was an “epic fail” for the supposed “power of the list”.

Prometheus

Prometheus:

For that matter, why are we eliminating women from the list? How about “Project Beatrice” or “Project Jessica”?

Just like Project Steve allows Stephanie (and other feminine varients), I assume Project Paul would allow Paula and Paulette.

I would think that one of the driving forces behind any crank (and many politicians) is this fundamental idea that if they believe hard enough, and get as many others as they can to believe hard enough, then they will somehow be right.

Nah, it’s an attempt at self-validation. Basically, “See, we really AREN’T cranks! We got all these people who agree with us!!!!!!

Just like Project Steve allows Stephanie (and other feminine varients), I assume Project Paul would allow Paula and Paulette.

AND PABLOs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I’m lovin’ it!

BTW, a while back, I tried to start one of these competing lists. It was “Pediatricians who are pro-vaccine” and was basically going to be a list of pediatricians that we knew were pro-vaccine, either because of their writings or because we knew them (as in, they were our doctor and recommended following the CDC schedule).

It never got too far, but I could include the 5 docs in my pediatrician’s office. Wouldn’t take too many contributions like that to pass 80.

Actually, the anti-vax list that I have seen was more like 500, and it included people that were put on not because they wanted to be, but because they had expressed in public something that could be considered anti-vax. A lot of them were nurses, but good old Jay Gordon was also included.

I was going to congratulate QQF for (despite vomiting up classic antivax glurge) avoiding the use of ALL CAPS in his tirades (which have however employed poor spelling and inexplicable overuse of punctuation).

Then I saw QQF’s POST NUMBER 38.

Oh well.

We sheeple have so little solace in life, we have to depend on pills and shots. Too bad there is no anti-stupid inoculation, or we could fool our bodies into being immune to morons.

I love the idea of Project Paul. It should be done (even though, as a Carrie/Caz, I couldn’t participate).

The usual antivax idiot thinks scientific issues should be decided by unmoderated debates, polls and petitions.

Upping the craziness ante, One Queer Troll thinks they should be decided by mob violence.

Am I the only one who thinks OQF sounds amazingly similar to STY? Although OQF does use paragraphs, so I could be wrong. But the tone is very similar.

I have been wondering what happened to STY after the whole ‘you’ll all be sorry later this (2010) year’ stuff didn’t pan out. I imagine coming back after that with the same screen name could be…awkward.

Am I the only one who thinks OQF sounds amazingly similar to STY?

Probably, because in order to make that assessment, you actually have to have actually bothered to read STY _and_ OQF. The likelihood of doing both is vanishingly small, at least for normal folk. You, otoh, might be a glutton for that punishment.

For several years the drone from the extreme right has been anti-elite. A part of this has boiled down to “don’t trust the folks educated in science, or even the science itself”.
folks like oqf, who never had a chance of understanding it anyway, seem to feel vindicated by this and hold up their “refudiations” as a sort of self-vindication. It’s sad that the internet gives them such an easy way to do it.

Is OQF’s citation of the World Natural Health Organization the first such mention of that particular group on this blog? I can’t recall ever having seen it before. Not that there’s anything remotely good about it, but it may at least be novel.

@ dean

Egypt banned the internet,America is trying to jail Assagne for telling the truth,I could go on.. .

Russia and China look very democratic these days..wake up Pharma suckers!!!

Your vaccines and drugs dont work ,your lies dont work,pharma is …doomed,..doomed, I say ,doomed

OQF probably wasn’t expecting people to disagree with him. He most likely thought his statements were self-evident (never mind that several more innocuous explanations also exist), and had no idea what was happening or how to respond. As far as I can tell, his current argument seems to be:

I hear it’s amazing when the famous purple stuffed worm, in flap-jaw space, with the tuning fork, does a raw blink on Hiri-Kiri rock! I need scissors! 61!

In episode 234 of “This American Life”, Say Anything, there was an excellent though depressing piece on a 14 year old girl who is a climate disruption (and evolution) denier. The piece was on a dialogue between a scientist and the girl. The end was the host asking the girl if there was anything that could change her mind and she basically said “no”.
The vaccine folks are probably the same, they want to believe-not know or test their positions.

ps. Gelatin? Gelatin as a toxin? That is a new one to me.

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