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The local paper ran a story about me and my participation in an upcoming town hall meeting about racism and prejudice.

I plan to give my statements as much of a scientific angle as possible. I don’t want to get up there and complain of all the things that I’ve perceived as racist. Instead, I want to tell the folks that equality is not up for discussion, that there is no scientific evidence that we are not equal, and that so-called “studies” to the contrary are full of bias.

I mean, check out the comments section… I’m getting grilled!

René, there are plenty of people on your side in the comments. You’ll probably get a mixed bag at the event, but the racists are on the losing side.

Just curious, but how did you become a legal citizen?

@Aaron

Without going into much detail. My parents are American. I was born on the other side because my extended family all live down there, and so did my parents. In fact, I came to the US side two days after I was born, legally.

Let’s just say that John McCain’s birth sorta parallels mine.

@Vicki
I’m going to be allowed only 5 minutes for an opening statement and then I’ll be taking questions and comments. I don’t think that’s enough time to explain confirmation bias. But I will try to speak a little to that.

Recall bias explains all of our “bad” experiences with people from other cultures.

The perceived criminality of minorities based on how many of them are in prison is an example of sampling bias.

Then again, I’m going to have to put all this in layman’s terms.

Five minutes and then questions? Goodness, judging by the comments you might not even have time for rebuking the claim that you don’t even speak English for the thirtieth time.

I am often the recipient of volumes of truly awe-inspiring woo ( perhaps this is recompense for some misdeed on my part). Flipping through the pages of yet another ill-begotten monstrosity** of poor writing and worse thinking, I come across *solutions* to serious health problems that are being also touted by our _worthy_ opposition, e.g. reishi mushrooms for cancer, herbs for cervical dysplasia, CoQ10 for CV, a plethora of products for AIDS,(see also NaturalNews, Gary Null.com, Mercola,etc.)

Promises, promises…that don’t seem to pan out, do they?
About 20 years ago, my father was diagnosed with heart disease ( normally enough : he was 80) and managed very well for a long, long time with simple meds ( diltiazem, nitro-patch), and later, with more exotic ones ( Altace, Plavix). However, I was frequently accosted by concerned inquirers who talked about “those poisons” and urged me to get him herbs, supplements,CoQ10, ad nauseum. I would inform them that, first of all, he made up his own mind, and secondly, their ideas were probably crap ( albeit, in gentler words).

All these years have come and gone and *Voila!* what do we get from natural health advocates… the same, tired remedies and ideas spouted by those eager to exploit the public’s fears about illness and worries about “chemical substances” that pollute yer fluids, damage your DNA, cause autism, or tarnish your aura. You should know the drill by now.

I speculate that our woo-meisters, on a perpetual runner’s high ( they’re all master athletes, y’know!), supremely confident in their own spurious expertise, mechanically turn out these tomes ( or articles or films) like a short-order cook making hotcakes to grace our world with stupid as they line their own pockets with the public’s hard-earned, limited cash.

** Healthy Healing: An Alternative Healing Reference; Linda G. Rector-Page, ND, PhD; 9th Edition. Revised/ Updated/ Expanded, Sept. 1992.

So, what kind of TV shows does a Plexiglas box with blinking lights like to watch?

I’d like to make a plea for Orac to consider writing a post about pseudoscience on PBS television stations. My local affiliate has just finished a pledge drive chock full of woo, like Brenda Watson and a Qigong master. I choke even now thinking that this tripe is coming from the same station that also broadcasts quality science shows like Nature.

Good luck, René. I’d offer you some references, but the only thing I know is that humans are shallow thinkers that form in-groups and out-groups based on cultural and visual attributes, and once those groups become defined it is incredibly difficult to change or mold those definitions.

The article you linked to was poorly written and it looks like a lot of the naysayers either can’t read or were easily confused. You’re going to spend more time defending your background than justifying the benefits of multicultural integration.

Mindless TV, huh? So, some Doctor Oz, then?

@ Rene: Good for you! I read the comments on the link you provided; a lot of xenophobic thinkers…but also some “push-back” commentary, as well. We are of course waiting for “the after community meeting” report from you.

I visited the Autism Speaks blog site and couldn’t find the comments from anti-vax/Age of Autism posters. MI Dawn, please provide the link, thanks.

The New York Times Book Review (March 28, 2011) “Defending Vaccination Once Again, With Feeling” reviews Seth Mnookin’s The Panic Virus. It’s a terrific review and I love the snarky last paragraph about Jenny McCarthy.

@ Orac

“Go, my minions!”

Steady, steady…. You’ve already been accused of mind contro….

As you command, Master…

Re: immigrant passports.

A few years back my neighbour in a university residence, a Mexican-Canadian teacher’s college student, born in Toronto like his parents before him, was arrested driving across the Canadian border into the USA on suspicion of intent to illegally immigrate. His Canadian passport, SIN card and health card were confiscated as “obvious fakes” because they didn’t look like the American counterparts (of course not) and he was held for five days. He was finally released by being uncerimoniously dumped on the Mexican border, and had to call friends to smuggle him illegally through the USA and back across the Canadian border under blankets in their car.

This saga ended with a very necessary run on the LCBO for every alcohol I can name.

Knock ’em dead, Rene.

The Big Bang Is Religion Disguised As Science

@Roger

The Big Bang by Rock Mafia, featuring Miley Cyrus?

@Gray

It’s laughable how far out of their way they’re going on this one. Someone already called me at the office and left a message that he’ll be waiting to do a citizen’s arrest on me for being illegal. Reason is foreign to them. No pun intended.

The comments on the article about Rene’s town meeting certainly lend support to James Carville’s description of Pennsylvania as “Pittsburgh and Philadelphia with Alabama in between.” Wow.

Break a leg, René!

Gray Falcon

Also, the comments are very revealing, in a way. They show the true racism of the people arguing against “illegal immigration” when it shows they’ll happily turn on any brown-skinned person, no matter how they got here.

You are right about that. I can’t help but find that a little horrifying.

Gray and Todd, thanks for the support. The editor of the newspaper asked me if I wanted the comment thread killed, but I declined the offer. It’s better for those idiots to be concentrated in one place than to send them out to other spots. It’s funny how the comments are all about the one lone Hispanic on that panel. No one has mentioned any of the other panel members.

The weird thing is that I remember reading about these things happening in the 1960s. Besides the hard evidence that no one ethnic or racial group has a monopoly on violence, does anyone have any suggested reading before this town hall happens?

My kid brother suggested “Why Are All The Black Kids Sitting Together in the Cafeteria?” I’m also thinking of reading about Cesar Chavez, MLK Jr. (of course), and others. As is the case always, knowledge is power.

Rene –

Something I once read on a “best of online chat” page seems appropriate:

Lemme guess, you’d come over and kick my ass if you could just read the road signs, right?

BTW, howdy, near-neighbor! Born, raised, live in the Lehigh Valley. My sister’s family lived in Linglestown (Harrisburg suburb) for a long time before moving near Philly recently.

As far as readings, let me suggest something devious. Instead of the expected, how about researching prejudice against Americans of German ancestry during WWII – especially anything you can find that talks about bigotry against German-speakers. I’m guessing there’s still a sizable population of PA Dutch and others with German heritage in your local area.

Here is another interesting article from the Washington Post to consider: Few fireworks at hearing examining civil rights of American Muslims. One revealing paragraph (on second page):

About 50 people waited in line Tuesday morning to get into the hearing. They ranged from high school students asleep in their coats to interfaith activists, undergrads interested in human rights and members of the Traditional Values Coalition, who handed out flyers saying, “Islam is not a religion. Islam is a geopolitical military system.”

The comments are just as bad as the one René linked to.

Rene writes:

Hanover’s town charter is written in… you guessed it… German.

There’s an instructive bit in Wikipedia regarding Hanover’s history. The town was named Hanover after Hannover in Germany – but the name was agreed to by English-speakers who thought it would appeal to the German-speakers settling in the area. Even back then, the locals were conscious of the need to appeal to the non-English-speaking market.

@René: The Nature of Prejudice by Allport is probably one of the most comprehensive books I’ve run across. I’m more active in researching evolutionary reasons for xenophobia, though. If you want something more recent, Axelrod is another recommendation I can make.

I think one of the best suggestions I can give you, if you are going to pursue this stand-up routine for awhile, is to look up posters and PR works that describe out-groups as rats/insects (disease carriers). The evolutionary model would give the indication that these are survival techniques, fear of strangers bearing diseases that aren’t covered by current immunities. Showing those graphic posters next to the quote on the Statue of Liberty and then comparing it to Michael Savage’s xenophobic rants can really make people take notice, I believe.

The local paper ran a story about me and my participation in an upcoming town hall meeting about racism and prejudice.

I plan to give my statements as much of a scientific angle as possible. I don’t want to get up there and complain of all the things that I’ve perceived as racist. Instead, I want to tell the folks that equality is not up for discussion, that there is no scientific evidence that we are not equal, and that so-called “studies” to the contrary are full of bias.

I don’t believe equality is a scientific matter. It’s a birthright.

Racism isn’t a bad idea because of biology. It’s a bad idea on moral grounds.

I know someone who got stopped and held for 5 hours by US immigration. He and his wife (both specialists) were traveling to a medical conference. He immigrated to Canada when he was four so had a Lebanon birthplace on his passport and had visited Lebanon to see his dying grandfather. I think they have decided not to go to American medical conferences again – or at least until he has a new passport without the visit to Lebanon.

“I don’t believe equality is a scientific matter. It’s a birthright. Racism isn’t a bad idea because of biology. It’s a bad idea on moral grounds.”

Totally agreed. Biologically, not all races are identical. Certain traits are more prevalent in some ethnic backgrounds than others due to the areas and conditions in which were underwent selection. But as people we should all be treated equally. Sadly not everyone is capable of thinking in terms of common sense and ethics. Give ’em hell, René.

I see that René’s mother-in-law like him! Always a good sign.

Perhaps many of the ones commenting who do not understand that he was born to American citizens and that all Puerto Ricans are born American, will all show up at the YMCA instead of the YWCA. 😉

How’s this for a closing?

And for everyone who believes that you must be fluent in the native tongue to live here, I give you the Hanover Charter.

Flick the slide up of the German original and go sit down.

Thank you all for your words of support. I’ll try to do my best at the meeting.

With regards to the scientific question of racism and prejudice, my approach on that is that there is no verifiable evidence that any of us are different, that one ethnicity or single group has a monopoly on all the evils of the world, and that if think critically about the issues and out fears of each other we can over come them. It’s a little more engrained than fear of flying or fear of snakes, but it’s still an irrational, destructive fear.

I’ll keep you all updated as the date comes. I’ll try to have someone tweeting for me live.

Good grief, Rene, the sheer number of ignorant comments on that article is disturbing. I’m sure your presentation will be great, and I hope it will make at least a few of the community bigots think a little bit harder next time they encounter the brown folk. *eyeroll* I wish you well, good man 🙂

Hey, I can’t see the comments over there. It seems to redriect the page.

Comments are gone because people started posting threats. They couldn’t keep the discussion civil, so they had to be kicked off. I’m surprised it lasted as long as it did. Most of it was just attacking Rene personally and utter lack of reading the article for what it said.

Hi Rene:

I can’t see the comments either, so I can’t offer ideas about how to counter those specific brands of nonsense. To continue riding the horse I came in on, I’ll note that you might make some strategic alliances with, or draw some selected arguments from, critical studies people who come at race from a ‘non-scientific’ angle.
Much of this discourse (a lot of which is hooey, but lets not throw out the baby with the bathwater), makes the fundamental point that categories of ‘race’ are not obvious labels that correspond to clear distinctions in the natural world, but cultural constructions with obvious socio-political origins. The textbook example of this is that Italians were considered non-white into the 20th Century.
Critical scholars also generally make the point that ‘race’ is usually constructed as something only ‘The Other’ posesses. That is, to be ‘white’ is to have no race at all.
(A lot of critical race studies is focused on trying to get white people to own up to this, which I think is a bad idea as us offays tend to start act pretty nasty once we do identify ourselves as a racial group…)
I wish I could think of a good citation off the top of my head, or better yet an academic in your general vicinity who could speak to this stuff effectively, but I can’t. Have you tried poking around any sort of Racial Studies, Gender Studies, Sociology, Anthropology, Literature programs at York?

Back in the more mainstream line, there’s Nicholas Lehman’s critique of The Bell Curve in Slate: http://www.slate.com/?id=2416, but you probably know that already.

… not that facts, reason, history etc. have any effect on the birther crowd.

Good Luck

Reuben, it looks like that one is gone to.