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Rob Schneider on California Bill AB 2109: The latest celebrity antivaccinationist to make a fool of himself

Remember California Bill AB 2109? I’ve written about it at least a couple of times before. In fact, for some reason, the comment section of this post on AB 2109 suddenly come alive again a couple of days ago, with antivaccinationists infiltrating it, much to the annoyance of my regular commenters. It turns out that the reason was that a couple of days ago AB 2109 came up for discussion in the California Senate Health Committee (and passed to be sent out to the full Senate for a vote), after having passed the California House a couple of months ago. I also now know why antivaccinationists infested that comment thread. Believe it or not, when I Googled “California Bill AB 2109” last night, my post actually appeared at the top of the search!

Bow before the power of Orac! Or something. At least I know that my “Insolence” on the topic is placing high in Google searches—for now. No wonder the antivaccine cranks are finding my humble post!

My well-deserved hubris aside, though (wait, isn’t “well-deserved hubris” an oxymoron?), our very own regular commenter lilady* has mentioned some of the craziness that’s accompanied the testimony for the bill. I can’t link directly to her comment, but here’s a brief account:

“I oppose medical nazism based on voodoo science” — chiropractor

One of the MIND founders pounding on vaccine injury

“Unconstitutional” — Christian Scientist

Oh geez this is the same as the last hearing.

Yep, same as it ever was. On the other hand, there was a bit of unintentional humor injected into the craziness surrounding the proceedings. I’ve learned of a new celebrity antivaccinationist, one whom I hadn’t known about before. For example, I’ve known about Jenny McCarthy (of course!), Mayim Bialik, Charlie Sheen, and others. I didn’t know, however, that Rob Schneider was antivaccine, too. After watching the video I just linked to (unfortunately I can’t embed it), all I can say is: With friends like these, antivaccinationists don’t need enemies.

I also hadn’t realized that apparently Rob Schneider is big in progressive politics. Who’d have thought it? I also hadn’t realized that he also appears to embody the stereotype of the crunchy liberal who is antivaccine. Seriously. Look at the video of his interview about AB 2109. All the typical antivaccine talking points are there. Schneider starts out talking about how he’s for “parental rights” and against “government coercion” (as if requiring something resembling true informed consent before a parent is allowed to claim a philosophical exemption, which is all AB 2109 does, is some sort of grave fascistic threat to democracy). He erroneously says that mandates are “illegal” even though the Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled that they are not.

Amusingly (or sadly, depending on your point of view) Schneider even pulls a Godwin, likening vaccine mandates (or AB 2109—I’m not sure which) to the Nuremberg Laws**. I kid you not: The Nuremberg Laws. You might remember the Nuremberg Laws, which were passed by the Nazis in 1935. These laws stripped Jews of their German citizenship and forbade them from marrying (or even having sexual intercourse with) non-Jews, under pain of imprisonment with hard labor. They are widely viewed historically as one of the major steps towards the Holocaust because they eliminated many of the remaining existing legal protections for Jews. He then brings home the crazy by comparing vaccine mandates to laws in the early 20th century mandating sterilization of the mentally retarded and people with mental illnesses. Lest you think this is an anomaly, two days ago he took to Twitter with the following Tweet:

Because trying to make sure that parents who make a potentially damaging health decision about their child have at least been made aware of the potential adverse consequences of that decision is just like Nazi Germany. After all, the penalty is much like the Nazis’ favored methods of punishment: brutal prison, concentration camps, and execution (often by guillotine). Oh, wait. It’s not anything like that at all. All it says is that a child who doesn’t get all the mandated vaccinations or doesn’t have a valid religious or philosophical exemption can’t attend public school. Fascists! Nazis! Schneider doesn’t even understand what actually happened a couple of days ago. It wasn’t that AB 2109 passed. The bill was only approved by the California Senate Health Committee, which means that it will now go to the full Senate to be debated and voted on. If the Senate approves it, it will then go to the governor to be signed into law.

Next up, Schneider goes into a predictable (from an antivaccine standpoint) tirade about how doctors “won’t tell you both sides” because they’re told what to say by the pharmaceutical companies. He does go a bit off course, though, claiming that “when you and I were kids” we only got eight shots but that now kids get 70 shots. Yes, that’s right, 70 shots. It’s utterly ridiculous, and nearly twice the largest number of shots even estimated by antivaccine groups like Generation Rescue. After that, the stupid burns fast and furious as Schneider claims that there are no safety or efficacy studies for vaccines.

It’s at this point where he makes such an utterly brain dead anomaly to car seats. Yes, he actually seems to think that there should be a randomized clinical trial of car seats, as he actually says that for a car seat you’d have 1,000 crashes with the seat and 1,000 crashes without it “and you can compare.” After this, he trots out a call for an “vaccinated versus unvaccinated study,” apparently not understanding that such a study would be utterly unethical, claiming that pharmaceutical companies don’t want to do that “because it’s not what they want to hear.” Why? Because, according to him, “we’re having more and more side effects; we’re having more and more autism.”

He even trots out the tried-and-not-true antivaccine canard about mercury being the “second most toxic thing on this planet besides plutonium.”

But that’s not all. His rant is like an antivaccine canard greatest hits album. How dare we vaccinate babies against Hepatitis B when you can “only get it from intravenous drug use or sexual activity”? Yep, it’s there; he even calls vaccinating babies against hepatitis B “beyond ridiculous” and “criminal.” He calls AB 2109 “lunacy.”

And what is his recommendation for reading material? Randall Neustaedler’s The Vaccine Guide: Making an Informed Choice. I must admit, I had never heard of Neustaedler before, but it didn’t take very long for me to find his website, which reveals that he’s a homeopath and practitioner of traditional Chinese medicine (i.e., by definition a quack given that homeopathy is one of the purest forms of quackery there is). It didn’t take me much longer to find articles on his website about homeopathic vaccines and an article claiming that vaccines are “destroying our immune systems.” So what Schneider is relying upon for his information about vaccines is a book by a homeopath chock full of antivaccine misinformation, and that is how he advises parents to “become informed” so that they can make an “informed decision.”

A misinformed decison, more like it.

I know, I know. I probably shouldn’t get as annoyed by the antics of misinformed celebrities who think they know something about science and medicine on the basis of reading quack literature. It’s also true that no one expects the “makin’ copies” guy to be any more intelligent than Jenny McCarthy. However, unfortunately, celebrities matter. They influence people more than non-celebrities. They have the limelight, fame, access to the media, and money. Add to that the arrogance of ignorance, and there’s no telling how much damage some of them can do. One wonders how long it will be before Schneider starts showing up at Generation Rescue events. Maybe he already has.

In the meantime, look for the antivaccine craziness to ramp up as AB 2109 is sent to the full Senate for a vote.
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*I made a mistake here. It was Liz Ditz who said this, not lilady. Oh well. They’re both regular commenters and they’re both awesome. I guess that’s what happens when I’m in a hurry.

**It’s been pointed out to me that Schneider sounds as though he was probably saying that school vaccine mandates are against the Nuremberg Principles (erroneously conflating the Nuremberg Laws with the Nuremberg Principles, two very different things), not that he’s likening mandates to the Nuremberg Laws. This interpretation might well be correct, and I might have misheard. However, even if it is what Schneider was saying that would not render his analogy any less brain dead than if he were indeed likening school vaccine mandates to the Nuremberg Laws. The reason, of course, is that it is the very principles laid down in the Nuremberg Code to protect human research subjects, as well as in other documents such as the Belmont Report, that render the “vax vs. unvaxed” study whose absence Schneider laments so loudly and whose “need” he illustrates using his even more brain dead analogy comparing vaccines to car seats completely unethical. Moreover, since school vaccine mandates are not research, the Nuremberg Code doesn’t apply to them anyway. In other words, whichever interpretation of Schneider’s statement is the correct one, he’s illustrating what can only be described as thermonuclear-grade burning stupid. Think about it. Either Schneider is brainlessly pulling a Godwin, or he’s demonstrating a complete lack of understanding of what the Nuremberg Code is and says, as well as a complete lack of understanding of some very basic clinical trial ethics. (Take your pick.) Finally, Schneider clearly Godwinned the issue in his Tweet anyway. So my characterization of him as viewing school vaccine mandates as some sort of fascistic destruction of freedom stands as still accurate, and that doesn’t even take into account his likening vaccine mandates to eugenics laws 80 years ago mandating the sterilization of the mentally ill and mentally retarded.

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214 replies on “Rob Schneider on California Bill AB 2109: The latest celebrity antivaccinationist to make a fool of himself”

Why is it that news shows never seem to feel the responsibility to “balance” someone who spouts BS like this with a real expert (or at least a rational person). The balancing is always in the opposite direction, *Disclaimer: I didn’t see the entire broadcast, just the linked part.*

Orac. It’s Rob Schneider. He makes himself look like a fool by rote.

Depressing, but to some degree, we can see by observing the publicized experiences of celebrities, what may be driving others, and we can use that knowledge.

Jenny McCarthy clearly has certain issues that are common in the general population, has a child with autism, and is not fully able to accept that situation.

Schneider may have been led to quack propaganda by progressive sources. Certainly, I recall when some progressive outlets did potentially lead to things like Gary Null (who is not, himself, a progressive). It could just be the superficially anti-authoritarian tone of the propaganda that reeled him in. Or he could have health or personal issues.

Either way, the fact that anti-science types produce propaganda day and night, and are good at it, is part of the issue here.

Since I wasn’t really sure who Rob Schneider is, I looked him up on Wikipedia, which has a wonderful story of how he tangled with a critic and then got a memorable comeuppance from Roger Ebert (who does have a Pulitzer Prize, thank you very much).

I tend to favor progressive politics myself; this guy is a real embarrassment.

Oh, in his tweet, he also seems to have adopted Dave Barry’s rule for apostrophe use, namely, that you use it when you want to emphasize that there is an “s” coming at the end of a word.

They just forgot the laugh track, it’s really a stand-up routine imitating Jenny.

This is who the Anti-Vaccine crowd relies upon to relay information? The “copy guy?”

Wow – they must be desperate.

It really seems more like a parody of the anti-vaccine viewpoints and opposition to AB2109.

Rob Schneider is…
The Carrot!
derp de derp de derp de der
I know it doesn’t help but it makes me smile…

but that now kids get 70 shots. Yes, that’s right, 70 shots.

Wasn’t the usual number 60 shots 6 months ago, and 50 shots last year?

Reminds me of the story of this medieval knight who keep boasting about killing the enemy leader by cleaving his skull in two.
As the knight’s colleagues report, each time he is telling the story, the killing blow goes 2 inches deeper. By this time next year, he will have cut in two both the man and his horse.

By this time next year, the antivaccine crowd will allege of twice more vaccine injections than there are known infections.

The only thing I knew about who Rob Schneider is came from a South Park episode where they made fun of him by starring him in fake movie adverts like “The Stapler” and “Rob Schneider is a Carrot”. This latest development by far makes him look much more ridiculous.

It’s at this point where he makes such an utterly brain dead anomaly to car seats. Yes, he actually seems to think that there should be a randomized clinical trial of car seats, as he actually says that for a car seat you’d have 1,000 crashes with the seat and 1,000 crashes without it “and you can compare.” After this, he trots out a call for an “vaccinated versus unvaccinated study,” apparently not understanding that such a study would be utterly unethical…

And that brings us to one big chunk of the irony. The reason we have the Helsinki Declaration is because Nazis performed that sort of unethical experimentation, and we want to prevent it from happening again, right?

Of course, it also doesn’t help that I’m seeing the enthymeme of “my child, my property” showing up with such a gung-ho attitude towards child experimentation.

I REMEMBER getting more than eight shots growing up in the eighties. Who knows how many I got as an infant?

Heliantus — that basically describes “The Song of Roland”. In the translation I have, his death scene goes on for 27 pages, during which he slaughters huge numbers of Moors, many while he still has two or three dead Moors *still impaled on his sword*. It’s a hilarious mental image, though I doubt it was meant to be comical. Every school should require that book during high school literature class, because it’s such a great example of unintentional comedy.

Re: the ever-increasing number of shots claimed: it does make a great marker to tell who is just parroting what they read off some anti-vax website.

The added irony with the car seat analogy: car seats are a real government mandate. The hospital will let him take his kid home without the vaccine ( contrary to his claim). But they won’t let him take his kid home in a car without a car seat. UCLA maternity even notes on their website that they will sell you a carseat if you don’t have one.

Orac, I’d love to take the credit for those remarks…that you attributed to one of my posts…but it wasn’t me.

I believe it may have been Liz Ditz, commenting on the live hearing in Sacramento. Liz has been keeping in the forefront of this issue, since the bill came out of committee.

Orac, you missed something truly dismaying:”Schneider even pulls a Godwin, likening vaccine mandates (or AB 2109—I’m not sure which) to the Nuremberg Laws.”
Except he didn’t say that – he said “It’s against the Nuremberg Laws”. It sounds impressive if you don’t know shit from Shinola, but for anyone who knows the least bit of history it’s a true WTF moment. He may have been trying to make a reference to the Nuremburg Principles, but if he is, he clearly doesn’t know what they are either.
Robbb! The Robster! Showin’ off his ignorance!

I agree with Calli about the Roland being worth reading. And it’s an easy read. There’s lots about Christian vs. Muslim relations, not all of which you will or should agree with. (I call my 10-weight fly rod “Durendal”, the 6-weight is “Hrunting”.) Here’s some, translated.

“From Balaguet there cometh an Emir;
His form is noble, his eyes are bold and clear,
When on his horse he’s mounted in career
He bears him bravely armed in his battle-gear,
And for his courage he’s famous far and near;
Were he but Christian, right knightly he’d appear.”

But is it true that the bill no allows for naturopaths to sign off?

If so, that completely renders it useless, and I renounce any support of it.

For a slightly OT bit (but not completely): much of the howling about the recent SCOTUS decision to uphold the penalty for people who don’t have insurance is how it is a tax on the poor and middle-class. But there is more. Recall how Uncle Jay Gordon doesn’t take insurance, and works on a cash only basis. Therefore, you can imagine that his patients are those who are rich enough to not need health insurance. However, with the AHCA, they will be required to purchase it or pay the penalty.

@ Liz Ditz: The feeling is mutual, my dear.

Unfortunately, I don’t “do Facebook”, but I see that Kelly M. Bray and Ren are engaging the Dachel bot. Ren’s remark about *someone* on Dachel’s *staff*, who is studying epidemiology and who could be a *resource* for her…is priceless.

@ Marry Me Mindy: I’m sure Dr. Jay’s select group of patients in his *boutique* pediatric practice are all insured. Notice how he has stayed away from California AB 2109’s passage. (The last time he commented against the bill…he got into big time trouble on RI).

Dr. Jay is for the passage of the Affordable Care Act and the USSC decision, which doesn’t prevent him from using his Twitter account to spout inanities about immunizations:

https://twitter.com/JayGordonMDFAAP/

Dr. Jay is a FAAP? Can they revoke that?

Sometimes, when I make an especially boneheaded error teaching a class, I announce that they should “revoke my doctorate!” Fortunately for me, my degree-granting university hasn’t found out yet. (Also, it doesn’t happen all that often, thankfully.)

Sorry, Rob Schneider, but I had no idea why you are a “celebrity” (and won’t unless I expend the time to look you up).

Now however the mention of your name will stir up a memory of this article and discussion and I will be able to immediately categorize you as an antivax fool.

@ Palindrom:

Dr. Jay is a FAAP? Can they revoke that?

Dr. “Bob” Sears is also a FAAP. It doesn’t seem that Dr. “Bob”
*tweets* about vaccines; no does he *tweet* about the last time he wrote about his opposition to California AB 2109 on the Ho-Po…when he had to suck up the criticism:

https://twitter.com/drbobsears

From Ebert’s review of one of Schneider’s movies:

“Schneider was nominated for a 2000 Razzie Award for Worst Supporting Actor, but lost to Jar-Jar Binks. “

To speak of Rob Schneider **making** a fool of himself is kind of disingenuous. Being a fool is Schneider’s stock-in-trade.

@ Calli, Rork

OT – the Song of Rolland is a nice story, I agree
Um, I’m a little biased here, anything Charlemagne-related is what we French use to compete with these damn wonderful Arthurian stories.

Just to nitpick, if the song of Rolland has good Christian knights battling evil sarrasins (i.e. Moors, muslims from now-Spain), in real life Franks and Moors were allied in a common operation against the Pyrenees Mountains’ Basque people, which were Christians, too. It’s funny how propaganda (sorry, I mean story-tellers) simplified the recounting of the battle. The fact that the Franks-Maurs alliance collapsed before the Roncevaux battle may have helped.

I believe the story I was thinking of is actually based on another French knight, and I may have found it in one of the novels of the series “Les Rois Maudits”. But the joke has been around for some time, so I’m not sure.

Back on topic:
Actually, between the recent Texas manifesto, the MMS-autism quackfest, and now this, I feel a little depressed considering the future of modern science and medicine in US. When mainstream politicians and popular artists are taking over the fringe’s “theories” as their platform, it’s a bad sign. For one thing, you cannot really consider them “fringe” anymore.

Eugenics – progressives and scientists disregarding individual rights to foster the “common good”

Forced vaccination – progressives and scientists disregarding individual rights to foster the “common good”

It is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind. The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes. Three generations of imbeciles are enough.”

Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr

I know, I know. I probably shouldn’t get as annoyed by the antics of misinformed celebrities who think they know something about science and medicine on the basis of reading quack literature.

I agree. I no longer allow myself to get annoyed when I hear quasi-celebrity Mandy Peet parrot the pro-vaccine insanity of mentor Paul Offit.

Sid: How about you go spout your eugenics on AOA where your bigotry and bias are respected instead of here?

Also – the bill – as you would know if you had a reading comprehension level greater than a 1st grader, does not lead to compulsory vaccination. It simply requires the parent obtain informed consent, rather than the crap served up on AOA. Why do you hate parents? And why do you hate children? (I already know you hate any one who is not a WASP)

Seriously Sid!

Do you really think that we ( liberals, progressives, elitists, socialists, internationalists, intelligentsia, modernes, atheists, literati**- choose 3 or more) are preaching *eugenics*? Come on , now. I venture that some might argue the other way!

** did I leave anything out?

The argument could be made that Libertarians are closer to the original concept of Eugenics – since they are happy to let nature take its course & the strong survive, while the weak are allowed to perish…..sounds like Sid’s philosophy to me.

For cripes sake Offal…did you even read AB 2109?

Are you *upset* that Chief Justice Roberts sided with the rational Associate Justices and ruled the Affordable Care Act to be constitutional?

And, awful Offal…did you even read the case that OWH Jr. commented on?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_v._Bell

Why aren’t you in Colorado Offal…fighting the fires…where your *fire science* degree from a fourth tier college might prove to be *useful*?

Sid, could you do me a favor? Can you find, quote, and link to the passages in the AB2109 that mandate “forced vaccination”?
By the way, I won’t be holding my breath.

Mr. Schecter:

Collectivists and statists. : )

Beats being illiterate and innumerate. Something that apparently makes you proud.

Meh, Sid also believes we should all live on private roads.

I live on one, and its a #$*&$ PITA. I somehow doubt Sid ever really did. That, and apparently he’s independently reinvented the internet so he can post without being under the undue influence of DARPA and the evil foreigner Tim Berners Lee.

But is it true that the bill no [sic] allows for naturopaths to sign off?

If so, that completely renders it useless, and I renounce any support of it.

It does allow for naturopaths to sign off and frankly, this bill was weak to begin with. But, consider this, the bill is aimed at those who signed philosophical exemptions out of laziness who are more likely to have a physician and not a naturopath to begin with. Those who would use a naturopath wouldn’t get their children vaccinated any how bill or no bill.

@ Schecter/Sid

Eugenics – progressives and scientists disregarding individual rights to foster the “common good”

Your definition of progressives seem to differ from mine.
Actually, your definition seems to read as “anyone who is politically left of me”.
Are you still a fan of Vox Day?

By the way, do you intent to move to Canada to escape the US now that USA has become communist?

(lurkers and other readers – make sure your sarcasm detector has been recently calibrated before reading this 🙂

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Egads, Rob Schneider has got to be the most misinformed person regarding vaccinations on earth, or a very accomplished practitioner of the Big Lie.

Sciencemom

frankly, this bill was weak to begin with

I don’t know what the law is like where you are, but sadly even this is a step in the right direction relative to the law in CA as it stands now.

Rob Schneider is probably just being Rob Schneider is probably just looking for some face time and attention. He was always D list actor and would have been out of work for the past 15 years if it weren’t for his buddy Adam Sandlar, who keeps throwing hm a bone. He now only plays parts in Sandars movies.

He’s gotten attention in the past by taking out full page controversial ads and when he was called out on them, replied that he was only joking and making a point.

Here are the three South Park Rob Schneider parody movie trailers. This is from the episode that raked John Edward over the coals and dubbed him the biggest douche in the universe (the sound is very poor quality on this clip):

http://www.youtube.com/watch v=2nXpVl9l43A&feature=related

Schneider was honoured by the appearance in South Park:

At the time of this episode’s original broadcast, Rob Schneider was about to star in The Hot Chick, and had already starred in The Animal. The running gag is that all of the fictional trailers follow the same basic plot: a very successful or unsuccessful man is somehow transformed, whether it be into an animal, a woman, a stapler, or a carrot. This point is furthered in the episode with a trailer clearly showing a plot exactly the same as these, but with almost every word spoken in complete gibberish. The term “derp” that is used in one of the Rob Schneider trailers was invented when South Park creators Trey Parker and Matt Stone were shooting the movie BASEketball to describe “a stupid joke that you could see a mile away,” commenting on their criticism of Schneider’s movies. Mr. Derp, for example, was the name of Chef’s replacement in “The Succubus.” Asked about being parodied on South Park, Schneider responded in an About.com interview: “I loved it. That was genius. I thought the only thing, they were too nice to me…When you’re spoofed by the best people in the business, that’s an honor.”

I’m not surprised at all that there are anti-vaxxers from both the left and right: the sites I survey try to warily word their sales pitch in a way that appeals to both ( more customers , you see) – it’s back to NATURE – libertarians and liberals both can go along with that and a romanticised edenic vision – Christian-based or hippy-dippy.
Neither reality-oriented.

@ palindrom

The AAP refuses to revoke the FAAP status of Gordon and Sears because they are afraid of being sued by them. So much for their being “dedicated to the health of all children” when they big wusses.

Chris Hickie, MD, PhD and proud to no longer be FAAP.

Sciencemom

frankly, this bill was weak to begin with

I don’t know what the law is like where you are, but sadly even this is a step in the right direction relative to the law in CA as it stands now.

I live in a state with a very easy-to-acquire exemption but little used apparently due to high vaccination rates. I agree it’s sadly a step in the right direction but my view is if you are going to go through the trouble of writing a bill, write one that may actually raise vaccine rates substantially. I’m afraid that there will remain large pockets of unvaccinated and schools (private, woo-dorf and the like) that will have primarily unvaccinated student bodies.

Sid–I hadn’t realized you were an anarchist. Do you agree that property is theft, since it can only be maintained by force? And do you accept payment in government-created money, or is it strictly precious metals and barter?

Or do you expect us to be too ignorant to realize that “statist” is anarchist talk for anyone who supports any form of government whatsoever?

@Mu – the laugh track is an excellent idea. I’d love to see someone do that. Look what it did for Happy Days. Perhaps Mr. Schneider could have used it in the 2 minutes of Deuce Bigalow to which I mistakenly subjected my neurons. Or maybe that wouldn’t have helped.

I applaud Rob Schneider for his courage in speaking out against the insatiable power- lust of the medical profession & pharmaceutical companies. He may not have all his facts right, but I know who I would rather leave my babies with, & it sure isn’t the likes of Dr Proffit & co.

Schneider’s a has-been.

He’s been a has-been since he starred on SNL. He wasn’t funny then, and isn’t funny now.

I’m not surprised Offal’s a Paul supporter. The foolish follow the stupid.

I know one person who is happy that yet another D-list celeb has made a fool of himself, by talking about a law he knows nothing about, on a subject he knows even less about.

What is Donald Trump doing these days…now that he made a fool of himself on the question of President Obama’s citizenship and became an expert on immunology and vaccines?

I applaud Rob Schneider for his courage in speaking out against the insatiable power- lust of the medical profession & pharmaceutical companies. He may not have all his facts right, but I know who I would rather leave my babies with, & it sure isn’t the likes of Dr Proffit & co.

Why not? If Rob Schneider doesn’t have his facts right, why should we believe that his bigotry against the medical profession is right? Schneider has referred to himself as “a 1/2 Jew” but he doesn’t seem to see that “assume that Group X is evil and means only harm and don’t worry whether the facts actually match that assumption” is what caused the persecution of the Jews through the centuries.

Anyone who tries to use eugenics in an argument should at least know a bit of the history of the topic. Offitt doesn’t, or he’d be well aware that it was popular across the political spectrum.

Mr. Gueguen:

Offitt doesn’t

I believe that Dr. Paul Offit does know quite a bit about eugenics. Now if you are actually referring to Robert Schecter who pretends to be the author Sidney Offit, you have a point.

(one reason that I despise the very illiterate Schecter for pretending he is someone else is that he does it to confuse people)

OK, so we are hearing about the opinions of a third-rate “comic actor” who can barely put a sentence together, let alone a coherent argument, and who apparently doesn’t know the difference between plural (Nazis) and possessive (Nazi’s)?
I’ll even concede that Jim Carrey is sometimes funny–for about 5 minutes–before becoming annoying. Schneider doesn’t even start out funny.

Maybe the antivaxxers just can’t find any celebrity who has any acting ability to bloviate for them…

@ Marc Stephens….I saw that video already of the brain-dead Schneider talking nonsense. Notice how he looks down at his notes to discuss illegal mandates? Some of the talking points from the anti-vaccine manual.

What a tool and what a fool.

The fact is that most medical doctors know little more than any one wh is well read on the subjest. I have heard so many doctors embarrass themselves on the subject when debating with an antivaccer who has done their homework. It is no contest. Which is why where I live, no provaccer is game to debate the issue in public- they know they arein for an embarrassing time. They would rather trot out the nonsense that ” debates are for politicians, not scientists” & rely on herd mentality to be seducd by the herd media to believe in the herd immunity myth. Social hypnosis at its scariest!

The fact is that most medical doctors know little more than any one wh is well read on the subjest.

I’ve heard the same complaint from astrologers about astronomers, that they simply don’t know about what’s really going on in the night sky. The astrologers, of course, are blind to the fact that what astronomers know is actual fact and the astrology they “know” is just bovine faeces.

I have heard so many doctors embarrass themselves on the subject when debating with an antivaccer who has done their homework. It is no contest.

That’s because debates reward, not those who actually know the subject and are accurately representing the state of knowledge, but those who are willing to put forth dubious and even outright false propositions with the greatest fervor.

Which is why where I live, no provaccer is game to debate the issue in public- they know they arein for an embarrassing time.

People who understand the science of evolution have also given up public debating with creationists, because the creationists have a well-documented habit of making false claims, being corrected on those false claims so that they know they’re false, then making the very same claims over again in the next debate. Look up “Gish gallop”.

They would rather trot out the nonsense that ” debates are for politicians, not scientists”

Frankly, they’re not even that great for politicians. For scientists, they’re terrible, because scientists are about correctly weighing the strength of the evidence and winning a debate is about exaggerating the strength of the evidence.

& rely on herd mentality to be seducd by the herd media to believe in the herd immunity myth. Social hypnosis at its scariest!

Since herd immunity is a real phenomenon and not a myth, you’ll have to explain to us exactly what your delusional misunderstanding of herd immunity is. Are you claiming that when dealing with a disease that is transmitted primarily person-to-person, you can drastically reduce the vulnerability to that disease of a majority of the people who constitute the disease’s transmission routes, and it won’t hinder the spread of the disease? That takes a lot of explaining; it’s like claiming “even if every member of the relay race team runs 20% faster, they will still finish the race in exactly the same time.”

@ Not so Artful Lodger

The fact is that most medical doctors know little more than any one wh is well read on the subjest.

Leaving aside your spelling errors, do you genuinely believe that a person who is “well read” really knows more than people who study medicine for 6 or more years?
Yes, you do. So I’ll spell it out for you.
You.
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Pillock.

As lilady has mentioned, Schneider’s video is up at the wretched hive (Huffington Post).

And I am heartened by the comments. Evidently, Schneider is held in such low esteem by the celebrity-conscious that most commenters are mocking his opinion. A few anti-vaxers are out, but they’re largely being ignored.

It may be that having Rob Schneider come out supporting the anti-vaxers will end up as a net positive for rationality.

I know you have posted on the Ho-Po…see my comment in reply.

I am also heartened by the sheer numbers of people who are posting some very intelligent comments. A few of the well-known creeps who troll on Ho-Po are posting as well…(sigh).

Artful Lodger:

It is no contest. Which is why where I live, no provaccer is game to debate the issue in public- they know they arein for an embarrassing time.

Because you cannot have an honest debate with liars. Just like creationist, the anti-vax folks cherry pick, misinterpret studies they do use, and just make up stuff.

Probably shouldn’t go here, Sid, but I’m curious: exactly which individual civil right do you believe Bill AB2109 unconstitutionally violates? Be specific.

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