An inflated view of one's importance

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Sock Puppets. Aren’t they dreadful? My science advisor informes me that they form spontaneously when suddenly separated from their mate in a laundry mishap. Finding themselves suddenly alone, they “go bad” and spend their lives ruining everyone else’s good time whenever possible. Of course, we have no such term in the Glaxxon tongue, seeing as our claws would swiftly do in any pair of socks that might have the misfortune of meeting with our lower extremities. Nevermind, subjugation and polemics are my stock and trade, this is clearly a topic for a philosopher.

LDZ VH7iHL
Foreward Mavoon of the Great Fleet, Pharmaca Magna of Terra, Victor of Canasta VII

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Orac please could you cast your respectful and insolent eye over this character…goes by the name of Dr Peter Glidden.? Peter has a video titled ‘Chemotherapy is a waste of money’. I read your headline and stumbled on this simultaneously.

This guy is a serious loon..

first off, all of those organizations Hill mentioned — CIA, MI5, ASIO etc . . . they’re all intelligence organizations with absolutely no law enforcement brief whatever. MI5 has to ask Special Branch to do their arresting for them. So, what does he expect them to do, send James Bond to Orac’s to carry out a Sanction ? Should I expect visits from men in black suits because I made a dismissive comment ?

oh, and on a side note: Dr Oz (appropriately named) was in the news again, this time due to his skill as a cardiac surgeon. Given his proclivities, I don’t know if I would want him cutting me.

Borders on trollish? Really?

Hill is way over that border. He can’t even see the border from where he abuses his keyboard.

@Delurked – yikes – he’s already been on Alex Jones! Hubby has to have heard of him then…

A blurb about him before another recorded interview with all of his wisdom:

Dr Peter Glidden is an outspoken advocate of holistic Health, Dr. Glidden has lectured to thousands of people over the last 2 decades. He delivers over 60 Free Lectures each year, and is a regular speaker at Health Freedom Expo & Youngevity Regional Meetings. He has appeared on TV, is a regular guest host of the “Dead Doctors Don’t Lie” Health Talk radio program, and gives free weekly seminars all over Chicagoland. His new book, The MD Emperor Has No Clothes, is an eye-opening, groundbreaking, jaw dropping exposition on the shortcomings of conventional MD directed medicine and the unrivaled excellence of holistic medical treatments.

Sadly, though, he is like so many others. “Big Pharma is there to make you sick,” “chelation,” “bioidentical hormones,” “classical homeopathy,” “naturopathic medicine.”

This, however is a fascinating quote from nexus2012info.ca:

All of Dr. Glidden’s treatments are science-based and clinically verified. He does not use any “black box” unproven diagnostic techniques, nor any therapeutics that are experimental. He relies on time-tested, science based, clinically verified, safe and effective treatment protocols to help his patients/clients to recover their health.

Hmmm… when was homeopathy clinically verified as effective?

Chris – who’s Dr Greg? I remember Emily/Pegasus, kept me very entertained when I was recovering.

My partner thought I was joking when I told her we had a germ-denialist troll.

why make it so hard for the trolls to post? i have a whole 50 lb bag of Purina Troll Food that is going to go to waste.

eburto:

Chris – who’s Dr Greg?

He is an anti-vax chiropractor in Australia who pretended to be several people in the thread I linked to. As near the end of the thread you can see commenter OccamsLaser say (with links):
“Pegasus aka Emily aka Gardener aka Dr. Greg aka Dr. Greg Fitzgerald “

Delurked lurker @445 AM —

I googled the good Dr. Glidden and found he was listed as

Peter Glidden, BS, ND

The final comma in his credentials appears to have been a typo.

@DLC – the fact that he mentions ASIO might be telling. I honestly wouldn’t expect anyone outside of OZ to know who they are.

I must say that I am enormously flattered that out highly esteemed host has set up a blog especially for the express purpose of analyzing my formidable intellect. I must admit that at first I mistook it for some form of denigration arising from a poor level of self esteem on his part, heaven forbid jealousy even. However, I must confess that I do have periods of megalomania, which is perfectly understandable, by me at least, given my extraordinary brilliance. It is often said in my town and abroad that I suffer a Jesus Christ complex, however I would like to correct this ludicrous misconception which denigrates me enormously as it was HE who suffered a Paul Hill complex.

I would like to clarify my assertion that I was contemplating sending links to these blogs to various intelligence organizations throughout the world. The reason for this is their own designation of themselves as ‘intelligent’ so that one has to assume that they are just that. This would be in extreme contrast to the level of intelligence on these blogs, which close to zero.

Admittedly intelligence organizations do get into more esoteric research, ie the paranormal such as psychokinesis, ESP etc. However in contrast to these blogs this is vastly more intelligent. Then there is their role as counterterrorist organizations which is perfectly appropriate as these blogs set out deliberately to terrorize EVERYTHING that the esteemed host does not agree with, which is ABSOLUTELY everything else, including fellow allopaths. So, if anyone has an inflated sense of his own importance it is he by a country mile.

This is pure terrorism in that it deludes people suffering from cancer into believing that all forms of therapy other than cut, poison and burn are pure quackery, delusional, fraudulent and criminal in intent, leaving them no other option than to suffer this barbarism. I was of the opinion that cancer research was limited to molecular biology only. Now I must admit that this was wrong in that EVEN THAT has gone, to be replaced by technology, ie genome sequencing, PCR etc. so that even the understanding of the structure and function of tumors themselves has disappeared, even the structure and function of the cell.

Thus a new classification of terrorism must be formulated, every bit as criminal and dangerous as suicide bombings, with a response to it every bit as robust as it is toward said suicide bombings, ‘EVIDENCE BASED SCIENCE TERRORISM’. I bid you adieu.

Has to wonder how a hotel heads east at any type of speed…

Sadly, Mr Hill, I see nothing unique in your psychopathology. It’s been “done.”

@Mrs Woo

By being attached to a rotating planet.

Rate of speed however, is a superfluous unnecessary redundancy.

Jesus, the bloody comments are getting a bit wimpish. Ya reckon I’m bonkers. What’s all this shit about violins and hotels and rotating planets. Always manic phase, monopolar manic. Does militant agnostic mean you beat up religious nutters. You mob need to loosen up a bit. Have a bit of a giggle. I am. Pissing myself laughing. This is my blog you are on after all, compliments of our esteemed host. Must away as I’ve got more carnage to wreak elsewhere.

Please bring back preview! I’ll try that again. This website.

This is pure terrorism in that it deludes people suffering from cancer into believing that all forms of therapy other than cut, poison and burn are pure quackery, delusional, fraudulent and criminal in intent, leaving them no other option than to suffer this barbarism.

Okay, I’ll bite: please indicate exactly which forms of therapy other than that you ‘ve characterized as “cut poison and burn'” being labeled as pure quackery are actually as or more safe, and as or more effective, than current evidence based standards of care, and indcate exaclty what evidence demonstrates they’re as or more safe and effective.

Be as specific as possible.

JGC,
You want it specific. A complete change in lifestyle to a healthy one as obviously undertaken Mr D’Angelo in Rosenberg’s book, ‘The Transformed Cell’, and as with Mr D’Angelo the tumor/s will break down and disappear. Go howl with derision at that. Please no crap about how his immune system suddenly recognized the tumors as ‘not self’ and destroyed them, because the recognition came a bit late. Why was it so slack before, having a bit of a bludge was it. There is bugger all documented evidence because those that are getting somewhere in achieving remission get right out of the clutches of the medical profession that does EVERYTHING to ridicule and demoralize them with the sort of ridicule you are bucketing on me. Mr D’Angelo never got a word in edgewise past Rosenberg’s blind dogma and that constitutes ABUSE. Go read the book. It’s still available, Amazon I think.

You do know that lung cancer is often detected late, and metastasizes fast, don’t you? Probably not, since it seems that most of what you “know” about cancer is in fact pulled out of your ass.
Breast cancer used to be the same, but the improved screening rate has cut the numbers of fatalities. However, populations that do not have access to early screenings (African American women, poor women, Hispanic women) have worse rates of survival than the general population.

I have moved from here.

https://www.respectfulinsolence.com/2012/06/15/more-on-integrating-pseudoscience-with-science/#comment-189863

And before that here.
https://www.respectfulinsolence.com/2012/04/09/medicine-and-evolution-part-13/#comment-188076

Krebiozen,
I have to clear up this misconception PLEASE. I have never associated lactic acidosis with epilepsy. THE OPPOSITE in fact. This is the original in my comment on Panic Attacks, Epilepsy etc. CONVULSIONS PUMP LACTIC ACID OUT OF THE SKELETAL MUSCLES. I tried to clear this up when you challenged it much further down the page but you obviously didn’t read it.

The major problem here with misconceptions on BOTH sides is this rotten Science Blog. It is the worst set up blog/forum I have ever used. It is ATROCIOUS. 1. For a start there are no multiple tabbed pages so that pages don’t get impossibly long. 2. There are no reply buttons so that you can reply directly below the comment, the reply being narrower than the original so that is obviously a reply. then another reply below the reply. 3 There are no edit buttons so that you can clear up misconceptions by rephrasing, fix spelling mistakes, the edit having taken place recorded and the date it was edited. 4 There is no (red colored) REPORT button so that one can report abusive comments and have them removed. These are a complete hindrance and deter people coming in that might support someone like me but are put off out of fear of being ridiculed themselves. I post a long comment for you to respond to, next day there are half a dozen totally vacuous comments in the way so that you or I or anyone else has to scroll up and down the page which is a bloody mile long. I’m NOT talking about abusive comment that have substance, just meaningless drivel.

The way this blog is set up it SUPPORTS the status quo. eHealth.forums has all of these features but comments are scanned for swear words and abusive slang words and go into moderation, not appearing until clearing up the problem up by messaging the administrator who is religious. I put a comment in which had the word ‘fag’ in it, meaning cigarette. The filter took it as the slang for homosexual and that took days to clear up.

I want to clear up this misconception about epilepsy, especially as it relates to schizophrenia, as it is a MAJOR impediment to any further discussion. Trouble is finding the bloody thing on a page which has around 250 comments on it.

*Eyeroll* I’d like you to shut up about things which you know nothing about. Unfortunately, that seems to include just about every subject in the universe.

I said you were a ‘pretend feminist’ because you revictimized a young woman who had quite rightly cut her abuser out of her life. You read Greer, but, unsurprisingly, only absorbed her remarks at a superficial level, and didn’t bother with bell hooks, whose works are much more worthwhile. I’d tell you to go hang out at the feminist blogs, but I don’t want women I like and respect to have to put up with the long trains of crazy that are your comments. Fair warning: they are much less patient than Orac. Although I’d love to see a trans woman put you in your place.

Now, see that question about cancer up there? Answer that. Also, would you like to explain how wild animals manage to get cancer and gout? Bonus points if you can do it without the racist remarks.

Right, it’s helium to raise the pitch of one’s voice. I didn’t know laughing gas had any effect on pitch. Guess it’s because I wasn’t doing much talking after I was exposed to it. (Dental surgery-eyouch!)

CONVULSIONS PUMP LACTIC ACID OUT OF THE SKELETAL MUSCLES. I tried to clear this up when you challenged it much further down the page but you obviously didn’t read it.

I did read it, but you don’t appear to understand the physiology of muscles or the biochemistry of lactate very well. Firstly you assume that epileptics have a dysfunction in glucose metabolism and accumulate lactic acid in their muscles, for which you have no evidence. Then you assume that the seizures in epilepsy have a function (rather than being the result of “abnormal excessive or synchronous neuronal activity in the brain” (Fisher 2005 Epileptic Seizures and Epilepsy: Definitions Proposed by the International League Against Epilepsy (ILAE) and the International Bureau for Epilepsy (IBE). Epilepsia. 46:470–472.), for which you have no evidence. A major cause of epilepsy is brain damage, and your model doesn’t seem to explain why this would result in seizures, it also it also doesn’t explain why flickering lights can trigger seizures in epilepsy, and are used in diagnosis during an EEG. During intense exercise lactic acid accumulates in muscles as it is produced faster than it can be removed. This is believed to be one reason for the muscle pain prolonged exercise can cause (though there is some debate about this). Why don’t athletes suffer seizures, to pump lactic acid out of their muscles? There seems to be a lot of evidence that contradicts your model, and very little that supports it.

Politicalguineapig’
Can I be of any assistance in providing therapy. Or this just another demonstration of your less than subtle tongue in cheek. My ONLY crime seems to be having been born a bloke and I can honestly say that I had no say in it.

A lot of you are demonstrating fairly severe schizophrenia as you oscillate from being relatively pleasant to downright obnoxious. Not to worry as I can provide therapy for a nominal fee.

One comment in moderation for quoting one of PH’s profanities. I’m posting this here as well as the other thread.

I don’t know how long it took me to find this information as I didn’t time it. “When using the Benedict’s solution on the sucrose, Test tube 1 showed no change with sucrose still being read as negative for monosaccharides or disaccharides.”
You appear to have missed the part of the experiment where hydrochloric acid was added, and then the mixture was placed in a boiling water bath. Acid hydrolysis at high temperatures, as I wrote.

SFX Me bashing my head repeatedly on keyboard.

PH: A lot of you are demonstrating fairly severe schizophrenia as you oscillate from being relatively pleasant to downright obnoxious.

Oh, please. Another demonstration of ignorance. That’s not what schizophrenia is at all. The ‘obnoxiousness’ is a result of a lot of people running out of patience with you. No one here needs therapy, and the only way you could provide therapy is by serving as a human punching bag.

My ONLY crime seems to be having been born a bloke.

Wrong again. Your main crime is being an ignorant blowhard. At your age, I’m not sure that can be fixed.

Ugh! Doggone laptop!

*you appear, to me, to be an intelligent, but rather lonely person posting spam on a science blog (that you spend a great deal of time critiquing – if you don’t like its layout, go find a blog you like and paste your stuff up there) in hopes of attracting as much attention as possible, because intelligent people discussing your ideas, whether they like them or not, makes you feel validated.

Krebiozen

You.
‘I have read your stuff and most of it is nonsense that contradicts everything I learned studying biochemistry and working in clinical biochemistry. Either all my professors and all the textbooks were wrong, and I hallucinated thousands of results if blood and other tests on thousands of patients over several decades or you are wrong.”

Me.
My stuff is all mostly nonsense, a very objective statement, precisely quantified. That’s what you tell us along with all your experience and credentials which you were a long time ‘revealing’. As long as you hide behind a pseudonym to slag me your word is not worth two bob. Why not reveal who you are so that everyone here can CHECK YOU OUT, MATE.

As to the rest of you why are you taking his side whilst he remains incognito. Wet behind the ears maybe or is this some sort of CONSPIRACY to maintain the status quo..

The last post submitted spontaneously. I was getting around to suggesting copper chloride in the bathwater from HCL in the water reacting with the copper hot water tank and pipes. So why don’t you all test the pH of your tap water, a garden pH meter, pH sticks, pool pH meter or would you rather believe in fairies. Might be some more simple experiments you can do.

Krebiozen’

EPILEPSY PART 1
YOU.
‘I don’t buy your theories about seizures pumping lactic acid out of muscles either. People in lactic acidosis don’t generally go into seizures, and epileptics are not generally suffering from lactic acidosis. Muscle spasms are more characteristic of alkalosis due to its effects on ionized calcium levels’.

ME
Jesus wept, you are validating what I am saying. People in lactic acidosis don’t experience fits because there is heaps of lactic acid in the bloodstream available for gluconeogenesis. I’m saying that the convulsions are to pump the lactic acid OUT of the muscles as quickly as possible as there is INSUFFICIENT in the bloodstream and thus available to the liver. Another point is the the fall in pH with the accumulation in the muscles of lactic acid inhibits anaerobic glycolysis, thereby limiting lactic acid PRODUCTION in muscle cells. The convulsions both increase lactic acid production and make it more available. You may be aware that a form of horse race doping is to give the horse sodium bicarb to raise the pH of it’s blood, thereby enhancing anaerobic glycolysis. The horse doesn’t need to have fits to pump out the lactic acid from it’s muscles as running does the job perfectly.

I’m not saying that there is anything wrong with the physiology of the muscles at all with epilepsy. The muscles simply CANNOT release glucose from muscle glycogen as muscle cells do not express Glucose-6-phosphatase as does the liver. Therefore adrenalin and NORADRENALIN have to be released by the adrenals to act on the muscles to produce lactic acid AS IT IS DESPERATELY NEEDED FOR GLUCONEOGENESIS. You claim that a test for albumin and bilirubin is all that is needed to test for general liver health which is, by definition, it’s glycogen storage capacity. Not good enough. I was trying to speculate on how that could be tested for but got ridiculed by you when you didn’t know what I was getting at, plus got stymied by the usual background din from the mob.

Lactic acidosis is generally associated with untreated Diabetes I combined with liver failure and often combines with Keto acidosis complicated by renal failure. Metabolic acidosis. Arterial pH can fall as low as a life threatening 6.8, very heavy breathing to blow off CO2 thereby lowering carbonic acid level in bloodstream.

The convulsions are probably triggered by a very high muscle tone rate, measured by on of those stupid gadgets I was building an EMG or electromyogram. FROM MEMORY muscle tone rate varies from 100 hz when relaxed to 600 when in a panic eg cerebral hypoglycaemia and DEATH if not rectified

In the case of brain injury causing the fit, don’t believe that it is the injury that triggers the fit but the anxiety resulting from a partial recall of the events leading up to and including the accident itself, a recall only of the FEAR component. An amnesia block of the accident just like that of the subsequent fits which might not start till years later. Arthur Yanov, another ratbag like Laing, said that the experience of the accident was like the core of an onion, each subsequent fit a layer. From memory he triggered GENTLE fits using a strobe operating at around 9.5 hz so that the epileptic was conscious during the fit and began to recall the events of previous fits. He might then take the epileptic to the scene of the accident GENTLY to finally trigger a recall of the accident itself. Cause of fits resolved, no more fits, no money for bloodsucking parasite drug companies. So Yanov ‘discredited’ by your mob. ANYONE WHO GETS TO THE TRUTH IS DISCREDITED.

Part 2, calcium ion ports, strobe light, my fits etc.

Honestly, why are we continuing to feed this particular troll?

@ Lawrence:

I thought we should clear up what one of the women from BC.org stated about him. Then, I’ll leave him to Krebiozen.

@ MI Dawn:

I can follow some of it although I don’t see why it’s necessary because we already understand what causes epileptic seizures which has led to ways to control them.

As I’ve said before, I have a great tolerance which enables me to wend my way through tons of uh…. material. I’m sure it’s a gift …and probably hereditary since my father was rather spectacularly adept at this- and it has really paid off for many of us.

Then there is acid rain which is very widespead. This from the US EPA.

An odd choice, since you claim to be living in the woods in Australia like a bunny rabbit. SO2 cap-and-trade has worked pretty well hereabouts.

Does Mr Hill use any simple modification of text like bold or italics? If he doesn’t know them, the easiest way to emphasize one or two words in a sentence is to capitalize them (I’ve done it).

That being said, the whole paragraphs are definitely nothing more than shouting.

@PH – I have no interest in fame for debating people and/or questioning thinking or assertions that seem to be a bit off of the accepted norm that have no data behind them. I’m kind of content with the life I have now. Would like to be a bit more like the superwoman I was ten years ago, but life changes and one adapts.

I have been wondering, too, about the BCO thing and whether or not he has been advocating his treatments over scientifically researched ones.

I’m also fascinated that he seems to believe he knows everything about everything. A long, long time ago in a chat forum far far away I ran into another “Paul” who believed he knew everything and was planning to become a doctor. Strangely, he was a severe bipolar possible schizophrenic. Sometimes I hear echos of him in Mr Hill’s long internet soliloquies.

Politicalguineapig
‘Psuedonyms ensure that no one can.. say, track down one’s physical location and injure or kill that someone’.

Well I don’t use a pseudonym and I’m totally up front about everything, put myself under a global spotlight by emailing so much media, can have my medical, any criminal, etc. record scrutinized, security concerns and my address.

Now I’ll go one step further and give you my email address so that anyone who is a bit timid to comment here can email me, or who knows Krebiozen and thinks that he is over the top can send me info on him so I can check him out online. He is the sort of person who just couldn’t help himself by telling acquaintances to watch this post whilst he demolishes this dickhead no nothing amateur ‘scientist’ not realizing that it is HE they think is the dickhead, whilst I, the underdog, is putting up a great performance. That way there will be a level playing field because I think a pseudonym is a coward’s castle from which to rubbish someone and claim qualifications which could be completely bogus.

[email protected]

Now I’ll go one step further still and give you the web links to a doco. maker, and the doco. he made on me so you can watch a short or download the DVD called ‘Road to Apollo’.

Won’t post links.

Now I can get death threats

PH,
On epilepsy, let me see if I follow your argument. You are suggesting that epileptics have a glycogen storage disorder, so when their blood glucose drops too low, the only way of increasing it is to produce lactic acid in the muscles, via seizures, which is then supplied to the liver which converts it to glucose via gluconeogenesis. Correct?

I see a few problems with this idea.

Firstly and most importantly, muscles make lactic acid out of pyruvate which is made from glucose. So epileptic seizures consume glucose, and would lower blood glucose still further. The process you suggest makes glucose by consuming glucose.

Secondly, there are several glycogen storage diseases, and as far as I know none of them are associated with epilepsy (or schizophrenia and migraine come to that). Hypoglycemic seizures, which do occur in some glycogen storage diseases, are not the same thing as epilepsy. These diseases can be diagnosed definitively by liver biopsy.

Thirdly, the liver has many functions; conjugation and excretion of toxic substances (both ingested and from normal metabolism), glycogen storage, albumin and triglyceride synthesis, and bile production to name a few. EIther you are talking about an inborn error of metabolism, like the glycogen diseases I mentioned, or liver damage leading to impaired glycogen storage or conversion to glucose. An inability to convert glycogen to glucose leads to serious metabolic dysfunction, and to hepatomegaly. Also an inborn error of metabolism cannot be acquired, and epilepsy most definittely can. You would expect liver damage that impaired gluconeogenesis from glycogen to also damage the liver’s other functions which would be picked up by standard liver function tests. I don’t see how such selective damage could occur.

Have I misunderstood you again?

Krebiozen,

No I’m NOT suggesting that the seizures are to make lactic acid. It is the release of adrenalin and NORADRENALIN that makes lactic acid in the muscles. An emergency reaction that has to juggle between two opposite extremes, the metabolism raising effect of adrenalin and the vasoconstricting effect of noradrenalin which has no metabolic effect on muscle cells. Adrenalin is a vasodilator in skeletal muscle so too much oxygen for anaerobic metabolism hence the noradenalin release, swinging from one to the other. Hence the hot and cold flushes. Perhaps myoglobin exhaustion might play a part as well.

The seizures are to pump the lactic acid out of the muscles. Of COURSE this process uses a lot of energy, as does the fear in a panic attack use a lot of energy in the brain, hence the prolonged catatonia of yesterday before the anti psychotics.

What I’m saying is that there simply is NO OTHER WAY in the face of glycogen storage in the liver being exhausted and that net gain only just exceeds net loss. Otherwise death OR ketosis kicking in because genes are unregulated thoughout the body due to constant swings in and out of ketosis as part of the reactive hypoglycaemia. The exhaustion of liver glycogen could simply be due to constant reactive hypoglycaemia swings, just as the pancreas loses the first insulin release of the normal biphasic release which EXACERBATES THE SWINGS and VICE VERSA. The liver just never gets a chance to be topped up, no storage disease needed. Alternatively general liver pathology could be widespread in epilepsy but not tested for. The liver does get a belting after all, especially from acetaldehyde.

We know that insulinomas and a diabetic injecting too much insulin triggers fits which obviously result from the hypoglycaemia. Are they a different type of fit? The bottom line is that I have had 3 fits myself and I haven’t had any brain injury, although doubtless you would beg to differ on that score (sic).

@Krebiozen: No, I think you’ve been much more patient with PH than I would ever be. You at least try to address his points. I currently skip his posts because I can’t stand how wrong he is.

Reading his post (I’ve kind of gotten to the point he is lucky if I skim them, but I like reading your responses – my ex had pyschomotor epilepsy as a result of a brain injury) it sounds like he’s implying that you think he is the “dickhead,” not that you are. I don’t think any of us think of him in that kind of parlance (though it is more likely once he brings it up), but most of us think of him in the internet type of definitions, i.e., troll, etc.

I meant Isaiah Berlin.

THE CONSPIRACY.
Seeing conspiracies is allegedly symptomatic of paranoid delusions. However they DO exist outside the realm of fantasy, eg Watergate and Kennedy’s assassination.. Anyone who came into ‘Medicine and Evolution’ not long after it started would be aware that there were a number of posts on it before I began putting mine on. Most of it went way off topic but there were a few relevant ones. I posted a couple and waited for replies but nothing for several weeks.

Then one day I checked and all of the posts except mine and one short comment before mine had been removed This comment referred to French research that claimed there were 10 different types of breast cancer. My first comment was a reference to that, then one on hypoxia. Weeks passed and nothing.

So I came to the reasonable assumption that Orac liked my stuff and wanted to see more. It had been set up for me. So I posted one very critical, but not abusive, on Stephen Rosenberg, New York surgeon and ‘researcher’. Then another one immediately below it.

Then all of a sudden the ridicule started and has continued ’till now. Ok, I posted the same one on Rosenberg on breastcancerorg, “A Case of Total Remission” and it was removed within hours with no explanation from the ‘Community’. There was plenty of ridicule there too and I would have to expect that some ridiculing there are the same as some here using different pseudonyms. A desperate attempt to discredit me, even drive me to suicide because if my ideas spread bot Rosenberg and Orac would be out of business. Both are New York surgeons, both researchers and both Jewish I assume by Orac’s stuff on anti Semitism. Thus it is MOST unlikely they don’t know each other. I am NOT anti-Semitic in case anyone wants to jump onto that angle.

THE CONSPIRACY PART 2.
Many years ago I wrote a little booklet called simply ‘Cancer’ subtitled ‘Immunotherapy and the Lourdes Phenomenon’. It was a critique of Stephen Rosenberg’s book ‘The Transformed Cell’ and an explanation of a so called ‘miracle’ cure at Lourdes of a massive benign tumor of a fallopian tube. I handed out dozens of copies of it at the Lorne Cancer and Genome Conferences.

Now as my booklets went back with delegates to all over the world, I assume now that Rosenberg was given a copy of it and realizing that this booklet was now distributed world wide among the cancer researching community, he was less than amused.

A couple of years after handing these booklets out I mentioned Rosenberg to Ashley Dunn, convener of the Lorne Cancer Conference. He replied ‘Yes I know Stephen, he’s been a lecturer here at this conference.’ It was about this time that things were cooling toward me at the Conference DESPITE being given 3 FREE conferences in a row worth around $2,100 starting the year after my first, a joint AACR Lorne Conference. (See details in HYPOXIA on ‘Medicine and Evolution’) Now to criticize a delegate as ‘prestigious’ as Rosenberg at either conference is a mortal sin as they are drawcards, ensuring that registrations are full and the cash and prestige comes in .

THE HACKER.
I’m sure that given the hacking skills of young computer nerds these days it would be quite possible for them to hack into Science Blogs and discover the identity and addresses of posters hiding behind pseudonyms, and thus determine their motives to be as disruptive and malicious as ones ALL OVER Orac’s Blogs. Everyone is woo according to Orac. Maybe he’s got it the wrong way round and is also incredibly naive as well. Maybe it’s him who has an inflated sense of his self-importance.

There has been a lot of speculation here about just what constitutes a schizophrenic. I’m happy to pronounce that they are VERY easy to find. Just go to your nearest mirror, look in it and presto, a schizophrenic. You might not be suffering any of the more overt symptoms yet, however before much longer they will materialize. Nevertheless there is a way of alleviating them, not eliminating them as they are an inevitable part of going through full blown psychosis, a path you chose when going onto these blogs, to denigate

THE IMMEDIATE APOCALYPSE.

The world is presently confronted with an enormous threat to global security, one which could be terminal for personkind. However, not to worry as I have the answer as to how it can be averted, for a not inconsiderable fee of course. As the solution is very complex, articulating it on this blog will involve WP upgrading it as suggested above, PLUS each comment having a number for quick reference, and an email sent to a poster when a reply is posted. Thus Science Blog will indeed be suitable for Science and not as it is at the moment the very antithesis of same. Now, I must stress the dire urgency of this as time is running out fast, very fast. Further instructions are coming. Should Science Blog decide to ignore this advice I will simply cut off all communications and disappear underground to look after my own survival.

I am beginning (?) to feel uncomfortably like I’m tormenting someone who is not entirely well.

CHRIST ALMIGHTY, if this is not a deliberate attempt to discredit me or ignorance on your part I don’t know what. The bloody glucose is in the muscles where it is NOT needed and not in the rest of the body, especially in the brain where it is DESPERATELY NEEDED. The process that I have articulated is the ONLY way that I can think of to get it from the muscles to the brain.

I don’t understand what you mean by “the bloody glucose is in the muscles”. The glucose is in the blood that is being constantly pumped around the body supplying every organ in the body, including the muscles and the brain, with oxygen and glucose. Muscles convert chemical energy into force and motion, with lactic acid being a waste product. There is glycogen in muscles that can be converted to glucose, but that is used locally. I simply don’t see why, if the brain is low on glucose, the body would send glucose to the muscles to be converted to lactic acid which then travels to the liver to be converted back into glucose which then travels to the brain. Why not just send the glucose to the brain in the first place and avoid the seizures?

You came in with both guns blazing, referring to my stuff as ‘nonsense’.

I call it as I see it. I’m not going to patronize you and pretend what you write makes sense when I don’t think it does. Sorry to hurt your feelings, but I’m insulting your models, not you personally.

Krebozien: Yeah, I’ve been feeling like that too.

PH: Just go to your nearest mirror, look in it and presto, a schizophrenic. You might not be suffering any of the more overt symptoms yet, however before much longer they will materialize. Nevertheless there is a way of alleviating them, not eliminating them as they are an inevitable part of going through full blown psychosis, a path you chose when going onto these blogs, to denigate.

Do you ever get tired of being wrong? That’s not how schizophrenia- or indeed any mental illness-works. It’s made up of many factors including genetics and stress. Thinking happy thoughts or avoiding sugar won’t do anything for mental illness.
Furthermore, I don’t think you can assume anything from Orac’s posts.Here in the US, white people have always been active in anti-racism/civil rights movements, a lot of straight people are combating homophobia, and a lot of gentiles hate anti-semitism and combat it at every opportunity. Plus, it’s very satisfying to take down the slimy pieces of shit that make up the holocaust denial movement.

@Paul Hill

I was of the opinion that you had not comprehended my post on seizures above or not read it.

I read your posts and his posts – and came to the conclusion that perhaps, just perhaps, Krebiozen knows more than you do about this topic. Your temperamental outburst does nothing to improve your credibility, I’m afraid.

@Krebiozen – it is painfully obvious that PH is not a well individual. Having experienced my fair share of mentally-ill individuals, it is abundantly clear that PH is probably suffering from at least one, perhaps several mental illnesses.

His behavior is classic paranoid-delusional, along with belief in so-called “secret knowledge” that only he can fully comprehend and deliver to the masses. It is unfortunate that he is using RI as the outlet for his delusions – because these types of individuals feed on the attention, and sometimes, paradoxically, the lack of attention, that people pay to them.

If he did, in fact, send emails out to the media outlets he says he did, I’m sure they either ended up in spam filters or were immediately deleted as the ravings of a lunatic (probably similar to many other attempts at such contact they receive on a daily basis). He assumes that his “ideas” are either intriguing or dangerous enough to warrant such attention, as this mistaken belief of “self-importance” is another mechanism of the mental illness.

Unlike some of our other trolls that are just douchebags, PH is most likely seriously ill – and continuing all or any discussions with him is potentially hazardous.

Krebiozen
” the body would send glucose to the muscles to be converted to lactic acid which then travels to the liver to be converted back into glucose”

I don’t know if this is ignorance on your part or deliberate. If you can go back to the original post it is clearly explained. The major stores of glucose AS GLYCOGEN are in the skeletal muscles and liver. Normally the liver maintains blood glucose homeostasis in the body, taking it up when there is too much, and releasing when there is not enough. I’ll leave out the hormones involved to keep it simple for you.
If blood glucose falls to an abnormal low and the liver is unable to release sufficient glucose FROM IT’S STORE OF GLYCOGEN, for whatever reason, then the only other
source is the skeletal muscles. Okay, the body has ALREADY sent glucose to the muscles, now it’s got to get it back out again because of a hypoglycaemia crisis.

However, the muscles were not ‘designed’ for this role because they do not express the enzyme Glucose-6-phosphatase, necessary to release glucose from the breakdown of STORED muscle glycogen. The liver DOES express this enzyme. Are you with me so far.

So the only alternative for the muscles is to break the glucose (as glucose-6-phosphate—-fructose-6-phosphate—fructose 1,6-phosphate etc.) to pyruvate which is then hydrogenate with the enzyme pyruvate hydrogenase, to lactic acid which is then released from the muscle cells and into the bloodstream. This is a fermentation process called anaerobic glycolysis.

If you wish any further instruction in biochemistry and endocrinology please feel free to ask and I’ll be only too willing to oblige as that’s what I’m here for.

Lawrence,
‘Unlike some of our other trolls that are just douchebags, PH is most likely seriously ill – and continuing all or any discussions with him is potentially hazardous’

Surely you are not admitting that a sane person such as yourself could be contaminated by an insane person like me. This is what Laing called ‘The reverse transference’ which means that instead of the shrink transferring his sanity to the patient the patient transfers his INSANITY to the shrink. The shrink listens to the patient describe his past and thinks ‘Shit, that’s just like my past’ and it starts to get at him. Bet he persists, as treating patients is his job and is convinced that he’ll work his way through it. But he doesn’t work his way through it and becomes increasingly bonkers which is what you’d expect from a shrink.

Should you need further psychiatric help I’m only to willing to oblige.

Mephistopheles O’Brien
Another patient.
ME.
‘refined sugar is the worst poison on Earth’

YOU.
“Worst” is a value judgement word, as it has a strong subjective component. I consider polonium a far worse poison, personally. Hydrogen cyanide is another candidate for worse, though it is not as lingering as polonium.

Of course they are. Don’t think I’m that ignorant. Thing is we avoid those poisons if possible. But with sugar, we (well not me) tip the stuff down our throats like there was no tomorrow, eg Coca Cola. It’s the LONG TERM effects that sugar has whilst being blissfully ignorant of the cause, an ignorance supported by the sawbones and the shrink. If it was polonium or hydrogen cyanide poisoning there’d be blood tests to determine the cause.

Nurse, can you show the next patient in please.

His reasoning about some of this was kind of interesting to watch. Kind of relieved this is over, though disappointed to not read more of your responses, Krebiozen. I love learning more – always have.

Too bad I can’t afford more college!

For what it’s worth, I don’t think engaging or not engaging Mr. Hill makes a tinker’s damn. He may be as nutty as a fruitcake (and I say this having spent far too much of my life in the task of trying to “talk down” paranoid-delusional episodes), but he is to all appearances in a comfortably familiar zone.

Fascinating. He is interesting to watch as he seems to slip from one approach to the other. He really, seriously reminds me of a lot of other “alternative” thinkers, to be honest. When approached with evidence that might counter their pet theory, they develop this disdainful “you obviously don’t know what you’re talking about or you would know I am right,” then resort to tantrums and rants and intimidation, if they can. They also usually (of course) have one answer that cures everything. I think someone even wrote a book about their pet theory and called it something like “The Cure to All Diseases”

Gotta love that Hulda Clark…

Is it possible that Krebiozen simply doesn’t know what I am talking about on the subject of seizures? He claimed to be a biochemist, endocrinologist, and heamatologist or at least had studied these subjects but had done just one of them at Uni. I say this because it is MOST unusual for anyone in the biological sciences to have done more than one discipline and even to study others in their own time. The idea is that you collaborate with specialists in other disciplines to work out complex problems needing a multidisciplinary approach. A great idea which doesn’t work, unfortunately do to too much jingoism. By what he says I’d say that he is a biochemist only. That is HOPELESSLY inadequate to understand just the convulsions, let alone the entire pathology which also involves neurology, physiology, anatomy, gastroenterology etc. I studied all of these out of the ignorance of believing that this was the way to understand a human being. Getting all defensive is a dead give away for someone out of their depth. Trouble is they just compound their problem by continuing to bluster when it is increasingly obvious they are, well, a lot less than right. Thus I’d say the death threat claim is male bovine feces.

Mephistopheles: I consider polonium a far worse poison, personally.

Oh, god. I’m severely phobic about radiation, in the first place, due to a history of cancer in the family. My grandfather was a physicist back in the wild and wooly days of WW2- he died of leukemia because of exposure to radioactive items. I freak out around x-ray machines.
That case in the U.K. gave me the creeping horrors for weeks. And then I found out that in the early days of the 20th century, people used to carry polonium in their pockets. *shiver*
Ignore me, I’m still a little high from a rum and coke I had while I was out n’ about. (I’m awfully well for a person who was drinking pure poison:) )

Politicalguineapig,

And then I found out that in the early days of the 20th century, people used to carry polonium in their pockets.

You don’t think alternative medicine has completely abandoned a wacky idea like that do you? Check out this website where they sell healing radioactive stones.

Politicalguineapig,
Do you ever get tired of being wrong? That’s not how schizophrenia- or indeed any mental illness-works. It’s made up of many factors including genetics and stress. Thinking happy thoughts or avoiding sugar won’t do anything for mental illness.
Furthermore, I don’t think you can assume anything from Orac’s posts.Here in the US, white people have always been active in anti-racism/civil rights movements, a lot of straight people are combating homophobia, and a lot of gentiles hate anti-semitism and combat it at every opportunity. Plus, it’s very satisfying to take down the slimy pieces of shit that make up the holocaust denial movement.

ME
I thought I’d deal with Politicalguineapig, when there was a slack period in the surgery as she needs a lot of attention. A couple of characteristic stand out. A pathological hatred of men, something which must keep her busy as half the population are blokes. I won’t speculate as to why. She admits to mild depression as they all do lest people start getting alarmed that it could be more than mild. She is obsessed with psychiatry which is definitely a sign of psychopathology. She is what we call in Australia a Chardonne (middle class) Socialist’. They go out of their way to prove they are not racists by getting stuck into anyone using a word like Jew or black. If you use the word Jew instead of Jewish, according to this set, you are automatically a neo-Nazi holocaust denier.

HER
‘Plus, it’s very satisfying to take down the slimy pieces of shit that make up the holocaust denial movement’. ‘Slimy pieces of shit’. Using such extreme language PROVES beyond a shadow of doubt that she is no racist. All I was suggesting that Rosenberg an Orac probably knew each other because went to some similar fraternity, (hardly a synagogue) and from that she extrapolates that I’m a holocaust denier. You cant use the word black any more or Afro-American as not all blacks are Afro-American. So ‘A person of colour’ is the appropriate term today, VERY patronizing but not racist. If I try to be friendly that’s WAY OUT of bounds, to be seen to be friendly with me would expose her to a torrent of ridicule, make her seem conciliatory shudder, shudder. Oscillations between being conciliatory (shit I’ve overdone the agro) and aggression (what the hell am i doing grovelling) are symptomatic.

We’ve got one like her in the Bay. No matter what ANY bloke says it’s wrong. Say one thing now, it’s wrong, the opposite later, it’s wrong. I’m fixing her computer for nothing and she’s bucketing bile on to me at the same time.
So I stop going around to her place and I’m an arsehole for avoiding her. You just can’t win.

However It’s the more extreme pathologies that are the most challenging and interesting, so I’ll persist. (I’m really gonna cop it after this. No, she’ll say I’m not worth talking to probably.)

Mrs Woo,
Sorry I didn’t see you out in the waiting room dear. Let’s check her out by the things she says. Try and get a profile on her.

She says.
Fascinating. He is interesting to watch as he seems to slip from one approach to the other. He really, seriously reminds me of a lot of other “alternative” thinkers, to be honest. When approached with evidence that might counter their pet theory, they develop this disdainful “you obviously don’t know what you’re talking about or you would know I am right,” then resort to tantrums and rants and intimidation, if they can. They also usually (of course) have one answer that cures everything. I think someone even wrote a book about their pet theory and called it something like “The Cure to All Diseases”

Me.
This is truly amazing stuff. Tantrums, rants, intimidation, one cure fits all, ‘alternative’. Who the hell is she talking about. Very severe delusions this one. Mild ECT? Abilify? No better keep away from the antipsychotics. Have to think about her for a while. Isn’t woo bullshit in Aussie? Ah, that’s it. She telling us that she is bullshit, well cowshit.

I’m gonna have to close the surgery now as I’m starting to feel a bit sane.

lilady
‘I think it is about time to ignore this deranged troll. It craves attention…even if the attention is only to point out what an ignoramus it is’.

This one is an extremely well balanced individual no matter what her detractors might say, got a chip on BOTH shoulders. Has not just got both guns blazing, got both TANKS blazing. Must be a yank. They are a bit like that, you know. Actually the US is one giant bin, a maximum security one. That’s what border security is all about, to keep them IN. The rest of the world subsidizes the US government to keep them away. The 1% schizophrenics are the sane ones.

Actually she’s got a good point. If I was totally ignored, ie had no patients to treat I might be able to get on with a bit of SCIENCE which is what I came here for.

*Sticks out tongue at the creep*
I avoid male doctors as much as possible. And you’re not licensed to practice on anyone or anything.

I’m interested in psychiatry only because I have a passing interest in the brain. Haven’t studied it for real, but I always like to read the neuroscience stuff that gets published. Brain injuries are just..really fascinating because each one is unique and there are many workarounds that develop to bypass the injured areas.
As for psychiatrists and psychologists, I’m only interested in them for the laughs. The psychiatrists have been wrong since Freud and shall be wrong forever and ever. The psychologists get things right once in a blue moon, and evolutionary psychology is hilariously half-baked and wrong.
Since I dislike having lies spread about me, I should clear up a few things. First of all, I don’t really hate men. I just try and avoid any involvement with them. I hate the idea of getting murdered. Plus, they have a whole lot of trip-wires; saying the wrong thing or acting the wrong thing lands a woman in a world of hurt. Saying nothing is best.

PH: ‘Plus, it’s very satisfying to take down the slimy pieces of shit that make up the holocaust denial movement’. ‘Slimy pieces of shit’. Using such extreme language PROVES beyond a shadow of doubt that she is no racist. All I was suggesting that Rosenberg an Orac probably knew each other because went to some similar fraternity, (hardly a synagogue) and from that she extrapolates that I’m a holocaust denier.

If it’s not about you, don’t make it about you. I never ever said you were a holocaust denier.(A bit racist for believing the lies your government told you about the aborigines, but thinking for yourself doesn’t appear to be your strong suit.)
As for the ‘slimy pieces of shit’ remark- well, I’ve never met one who didn’t sound like a terrible person. We had one denier here who actually said the Jews were responsible for allowing the holocaust to occur. Sounds like a pleasant person, doesn’t he? Go check the ‘Holocaust Denial’ tag and decide for yourself.

Krebozien: For real? Gahhhh. I can only hope any sucker that bought those didn’t reproduce.

Mrs Woo,
Politicalguineapig,
Let’s clear this up once and for all shall we. I have lived in the National Park by MYSELF for the entire 15 years. I have NEVER practiced as anything. No medical office, nothing. I called the camp that got smashed up ‘Placebo Park’ to symbolize the healing power of the peace and tranquility of the wild AND being away from the temptations pf booze, fags, junk food shops etc. 28 km from town and no car meant that it was impossible to get to town if I was hanging out for a drink or fag.

But the thing is, I didn’t FEEL like a fag or a drink because of the peace of mind, the freedom of being there. I was a heavy smoker when I first went there. The smoke I liked most was when I went to bed. I used to go to friends place on the weekend when someone came out to pick me up. I decided to leave the fags back at their place to try to break the habit knowing that there was no way I could get a fag out there. I figured I was gonna have a very hard time of it when I went back, especially the fag in bed and wouldn’t sleep at all that night hanging out.

Know what, I DIDN’T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT and slept like a log. It did not enter my mind. It wasn’t until next day that I realized that I hadn’t thought about a fag the night before. I was in another world out there, as I am here. That’s why I called the place ‘Placebo Park’ no signs anywhere, no gates or fences, nothing whatsoever that made my camp any sort of institute, just a vision in my head.

I began to realize what the ‘miracles’ of Jesus were all about, nothing to do with religion as I do NOT believe that he was religious. Has been, but came out the other side of it. He came to understand the Placebo Effect because of HIS stays in the wilderness. The New Testament is a construct of Constantine in the fourth century, dominated by the 13 books of Paul who was the Adolph Eichman of the time, the Inquisitor, before his so called conversion. Not ONE single word written by Jesus in the NT, because his beliefs were considered blasphemous, seditious and subversive to BOTH Romans and Jews and destroyed. The following is an idea of what one of his called ‘miracles’.

FINANCIAL CRISIS.
There have been heavy falls on global financial markets overnight due to Spain’s bond rate going over 7%. There are only 7 days left before Obama’s ultimatum on raising the US debt ceiling runs out. As I understand the situation from a friend of mine, the Reserve Bank governor Ben Brenanski wants quantitative easing to match Obama’s target but faces a lot of opposition from the board of governors, Republican appointees I dunno as I haven’t had time to check online to understand the setup. My concern is of the European debt crisis coinciding with the debt ceiling target on August 2. I posted the following some months ago but it is still relevant to day except for the dates.

As it’ll take me a while to edit the post on Israel I’ll put this in first. I wrote this as a comment on taxation historically.

A FAILED REDISTRIBUTION.

One hour of Christians sprouting about equality in the distribution of wealth, plenty of quotes from Thomas Aquinas, yet not one single word uttered by Jesus who was probably the greatest champion of equality who ever lived, that’s if you take his word’s literally.

“Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.” (a fair day’s pay for a fair day’s work.) “By the sweat of thy brow shalt thou eat bread.” (Not by speculation.) From Socialist Luke, “He who hath much from him shall be taken and he who hath little from him shall be given.” (redistributionist Jesus predicting his policy on taxation if he won the election.} From Conservative Mathew “Unto him who hath much shall be given more whilst he who hath little, even that which he hath shall be taken away.” (By he who hath much via speculation. This is the way it is and what will be reformed.) “Woe unto you Scribes and Pharisees, ye lay upon widows burdens ye yourselves would not attempt to lift.” (Being dispossessed with all of the inheritance going to the eldest son or the state if there is no eldest son. Thus the widow (Mary Magdalene?) is forced into prostitution to feed herself. Then when she gets found out is stoned to death. Great stuff!!)

Now to the daddy of them all. “A certain man came unto Jesus and said “What must I do to enter the Kingdom of God.” (Jesus’ Party or Heaven on Earth as we’d say today.) Jesus replies “Go sell ALL that that thou hast, give the money to the poor, take up thy cross and follow me.” (ALL that thou hast is based on the fact that almost all great wealth is unearned income, derived by some form of speculation. The rich man could doubtless keep enough to live on.)

Let’s assume that on the road to becoming the Monarch the individual would have to become Governor of a State, eg Ronnie Reagan, Governor of California, then Jesus would have to become Governor of Galilee and as there was no separation between Church and State he would be the chief Rabbi of the Pharisee Party of Galilee, his constituency. Thus in his three year ministry he was on the hustings. He was forced into this position because his half brother, Judas, head of the Scribes Party, contested his right to the monarchy as Jesus had NO blood line. Joseph was NOT his father but WAS the father of Judas who was the same Iscariot (Iscarie, the Knife Assassin.) So Jesus, champion of fairness, suggested putting the leadership to a vote, the very beginning of democracy, our two party system. (The line went via the Gnostics of Southern France and emerged with the beginning of the Reformation in 1513.) Those tax collectors hanging around were working for Jesus in his caretaker role.

Judas, having the ‘bag’ was the Treasurer of the Party. This was an (illegal) provisional future Gov’t of Israel. The 12 were the provisional upper house or ‘Little Sanhedrin’ and the 70 disciples referred to in Mathew were the Provisional Lower house or big Sanhedrin. Judas’s campaigning was hidden indoors, because he was promoting violent revolution against the Romans, whilst secretly doing deals with them.

ISRAEL.
Since writing this segment on Israel the Syrian civil war has erupted which considerably complicates the situation. Presumably the Sunni majority will come out on top, which puts the Christians and Assad’s Alawite minority nowhere to go, not likely to be welcome in Iraq or Turkey. Going into Lebanon might destabilise it. The Syrian Sunni’s and Iran’s Shi’ite majority won’t have any love for each other, which means a disconnect between Iran and Syria, a plus for Israel not having this alliance to worry about any more, especially with Syria right on Israel’s North Easter border, the Golan Heights.

Would the Syrian Sunni’s allow the flow of weapons through Syria from Iran to Iran’s ally Lebanon’s Hezbollah. Doubtful. Israel doesn’t want the spectre of rocket attacks coming simultaneously and coordinated from the Palestinian Gaza strip and southern Lebanon at the same time again. Both Syria AND Israel have fallen out badly with Turkey. Israel, desperately short of water was hoping that one day it could pipe water from Turkey’s upper Euphrates dam, but as it would have had to come through Syria that is now very much a pipe dream. Sunni’s are usually pro American, although I don’t think Iraqu’s Sunni Ba’athists would have a lot of love for the US, so an alliance between Syria’s Sunni’s and Iraq’s Sunni’s could be complicated and a worry for Israel if they did.

But then who would a new Sunni Gov’t in Syria get financial assistance from, not that the US is in much of a financial position to help. France is a possibility as Syria was a French colony and France was making considerable investments in Syria as well as supplying Mirage Fighter jets to Assad. But Russia might have muscled France out as it’s HUGE concern is it’s naval base at Tartus, it’s only naval base in the Mediterranean. It has a naval base in the Black Sea at Crimea, but needs access through the Ukrain to get to it, with it’s warships having to pass through the Bosphorous with NATO Turkey on one side and NATO Greece on the other. Then there is the British naval base in Cyrus close to the mouth of the Bosphorous to worry about. I’m saying this because at the moment with Russia backing Assad an escalation of conflict in the region could bring the US and Russia into direct conflict with each other, Israel being a complicating factor..

Israel has already taken out Iraq’s and Syria’s nuclear reactors, so there is no reason to claim that it won’t do likewise with Iran before Iran has made enough fissile material for at least one atomic bomb. However, taking out Iran’s nuclear facilities is a vastly more difficult than Iraq’s and Syria’s which were single reactors above ground and on the same land mass as Israel. Only in the case of Iraq did Israel have to fly over another country, i.e. Jordan and what could little Jordan do about that, besides Israel and Jordan have some sort of peace agreement. So depending where Iran’s nuclear facilities are Israel is gonna have to fly over Jordan then Kuwait or Saudi Arabia, all mates of the US so that puts the US’s backside out of joint. But now the US seems to be proposing a joint US, Israeli strike on Iran with the US providing mid air refuelling for Israel’s fighter bombers.

Saudi Arabia and Kuwait are both big oil producers and the US well remembers the oil embargo slapped on it by Persian Gulf dominated OPEC in 1973 following the Yom Kippur war between Israel, Syria and Egypt, for supporting Israel. Admittedly the US has a fairly substantial military presence in Saudi Arabia now, however if all the Gulf states combined forces, meaning rapprochement between Saudi Arabia and Iran, at the moment bitter enemies because Wahhabi Saudi Arabia accuses Shi’ite Iran of fomenting unrest among Saudi Arabia’s poor Shi’ite community. Someone is gonna have to broker a peace arrangement for their own mutual protection from Israel. Egypt’s Moslem Brotherhood has a policy of trying to get rapproacment between Sunni’s and Shi’ites, to stop killing each other and instead focus their attention on mutual enemy Israel. I’ll get into that later.

Because Iran’s centrifuges and other facilities are now deep underground Israel will have to use bunker busters, not any old bunker busters, but nuclear bunker busters to penetrate anywhere deep enough under the ground. A few years ago bunker busters were found in a Scottish port en route from the US to Israel. As far as I know they continued on to Israel. (Since writing this I’ve been told that the US has recently supplied Israel with newer bunker busters, presumably more powerful.) No warheads or just conventional warheads, but that’s no problem for Israel. It has plenty of nuclear warheads. No other choice, a NUCLEAR attack on Iran by Israel the first nuclear attack on a nation since Japan in 1945.

How is Pakistan going to react to that, what about tensions between Pakistan and India. Could the political instability in Pakistan leading up to the attack trigger a Taliban backed coup d’etat considering that there already is Taliban sympathy/presence in the Pakistan military. India supports the Shi’ite dominated Northern Alliance in Afghanistan because it is the enemy of the Afghani Pashtuns from which it’s Taliban derives. How would that drive up tensions between nuclear India and Taliban governed Pakistan now controlling Packistan’s atomic arsenal.. Shi’ite Iran also supports the Northern Alliance.
I’ll have to leave it at that for now. These are just musings for now to highlight some of the complications that could escalate the situation. Next I want to get into Israel’s mistrust of the US.
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Politicalguineapig,
Religion is NOT getting dragged into it AT ALL. This is an entirely different Jesus, an IRRELIGIOUS one, a Spinosarist is the closest I can come to, one who says God IS the Universe and we humans are the godheads, including YOU. Just read it. I’m putting this stuff in to throw light on the situation today which is getting EXTREMELY dangerous both financially and militarily.

@Politicalguineapig – not sure of the number, but know that the myth of Mithras is very (almost entirely) similar to Jesus Christ and that when the mass of Christ (Christ mass) was given a set date they made it on Mithras’ birthday so the pagans could continue their pagan celebrations, just in honor of a new god. Most of today’s Christianity has little resemblance to first century Christianity, which was more like first century worship of the Israelites with promised resurrection and further explanation of the kingdom of God.

Was reading a fascinating book that made me even more curious about understanding both religions during that time period. At that point the Talmud hadn’t been written yet, though parts of the Mishnah were most likely in existence in oral tradition by then. Some of these opinions regarding how God’s law should be applied were probably part of what Jesus railed against when he complained about the Pharisees.

Isis is another virgin mother of sorts, I believe, and “Queen of Heaven” worship was common in Rome at the time. Of course, if you go back far enough in history, it is speculated that “El” (the Hebrew God) very likely had a companion goddess in Asherah, but that as the Hebrew concept of God, etc., continued to change, she was abandoned as a pagan concept as they moved to a “one invisible God, only” construct in worship. Some historians/archaeologists believe that it was one of the reasons that Asherah worship remained a consistent problem for some of the Hebrews – at one point she was an acceptable goddess.

A book I read, ‘The Rise and Fall Of the Peacock Throne’ referring the Shah of Iran, reckoned that when the Jews were in Babylon, the second exile about 200 BC, they were exposed to the idea of a coming messiah who would be born of a virgin. It was based on Zarathustra’s prediction that he would be reincarnated, by a virgin impregnated from on high. Cyrus the great Liberated the Jews when he captured Babylon so they took this stuff back to Palestine with them. Later we find Persia actually supporting the Jewish insurrection against Rome, just like China supporting the VC in Vietnam, the Romans being the US.

So Persia wanted a HO Chi Min to lead a guerrilla war from within Palestine against Rome, backed by Persian forces coming in to support the insurrection when the time arrived (the day of the Passover). Jesus has the blood line to the Monarchy (a stitched up blood line), so it is he who is seen as the reincarnation of Zarathustra. Hence the 3 Wise Men, astronomers from the Ziggeraut at Ur of the Chaldeas, following a star that Zarathustra claimed would announce his reincarnation, around 4 BC to anoint the baby Zarathustra and help him build a power base.

Hence the threat to Herod the great who was put onto the throne by Mark Anthony in 41 BC, and who threw the Persians out of Palestine with mercenaries supplied by Rome. Rome had lost Palestine to Persia some time before. Thus the massacre of the innocents was a desperate attempt to destroy baby Ho Zara Jesus. Sounds very plausible to me. According to the Koran Jesus father was actually Zacharias, father of John the Baptist, who had the blood line to the provisional high priesthood. Barbara Theiring, Dead Sea Scroll translator, reckons the nickname of the High Priest was the Holy Ghost. Now there is some connection between Mithra and Zarathustra. Mithraism became popular among low ranking Roman soldiers which Rome saw as very alarming.

@Lawrence, I second your motion!

Mrs. Woo: I was thinking of Mithras and Horus too. The parallels are just fascinating. Also, the tale of Noah in the Old Testament is very similar to a Sumerian story about Utnapishtam and the Greek Myth of Deucalion. Actually, it is the Utnapishtam story with the serial numbers rubbed off.

Lilady, thenewme and Lawrence: Aww,can’t we play with him for a bit longer? He’s reminding me more and more of those dumb chipmunks all the time. The cats chase them, they hide, and just when the cats have given up, they squeak and the whole thing starts all over again.

PH: This is an entirely different Jesus, an IRRELIGIOUS one, a Spinosarist is the closest I can come to, one who says God IS the Universe and we humans are the godheads, including YOU.

That’s not in the New Testament, and you know it. You can’t seperate Jesus from religion, and you can’t pretend God is love. If God is love, then he is weak. Jesus was a great philosopher, but he was also a faithful Jewish man; saying he wasn’t religious is like saying the sky is green.
Also, just stop with the posting about history. Okay? You know just enough history to get everything twisted. The silk road went through Turkey, Chamberlain was a stupid, weak little man who worked for a stupid anti-semitic King, and the correct spelling is Netanyahu.
I don’t think Chamberlain had many opinions of his own and Edward VIII didn’t spend much-if any- time reading. Notice that Britain started taking the Nazis seriously only after he abdicated? Yeah, I didn’t think you did.

WAS THERE A RESURRECTION?
Readers of the NT will know that in none of the sightings of Jesus after his death was he at first recognized by his disciples. I would suggest that the reason for this was that the person was NOT Jesus but one or both of the following. The disciples were in a very frightened state as they too were fearful of arrest and crucifixion and thus hypersuggestible. Clutching at straws at being leaderless they felt extremely vulnerable and desperate for Jesus to be risen. Thus the individual who they ‘recognized’ as being Jesus, frightened of their hysteria, went along with the role until he could escape their clutches. The other, more probable reason is that the ‘recognised’ individual was in fact a Jesus look alike actor set up by the Romans to get the disciples to lead them back to their hiding place so that everyone there could be arrested as suspected insurgents ‘terrorists’. Many people, even Romans, believed that people could be resurrected but didn’t look exactly like their former selves. A clue here is when ‘Jesus’ said “Touch me not for I have not yet received my mortal body.” knowing that if anyone got that close and maybe hugged him they would realize that it was NOT him.
The very last thing that the Romans would have wanted was a funeral cortage on the Day of the Passover, the day of Jewish ultra nationalism when tempers would have been at their hottest, with the possibility of riots that could have escalated out of control and even spread to other parts of the Empire. So they stole his body from the tomb and disposed of it. Jesus was primarily executed because they feared that he would lead such an insurrection, having planned it well before. The reason that he was whipped and bashed before being executed was to force him to reveal the whereabouts of the other disciples who had gone into hiding as there could be one or more alternate leaders among them. This was what Judas was most terrified of, hence swapping sides to curry favour with the Romans when he lost his leadership challenge at the Last Supper which was held in a secret location. There was reason for this suspicion by the Romans as Jesus’ Party was a Provisional Govt with a military wing as well as political. Simon the Zealot, who cut off the ear of a Roman soldier at Jesus arrest, was an example. This militarism was not something that Jesus wanted but what he inherited from his step father Joseph. Jesus, as peacemaker, was trying to negotiate a peaceful settlement between ALL of the insurgent groups and the Romans with a Roman withdrawal to follow and no barriers to trade along the Silk Road.
Judas had other plans, with Jesus to be the bait to draw all of the Jewish leaders into a trap by coming to his trial to judge him. His rebels would surround the Little Sanhedrin, capture it and execute all of the leaders whilst Jesus would ‘accidently’ be killed. Pilate and other Roman leaders would be executed simultaneously. A classic coup d’etat of the time. Jesus wasn’t interested.

lilady,
Politicalguineapig,
There is phrase in Australia for your sort of attitude. It’s called the ‘Tall Poppy Syndrome’. I have vastly more extreme phrases to describe it, however these would not be palatable even for these blogs. Have you nothing better to do with your time than spew your poison onto those who try to create something. You are obviously extremely embittered people to devote yourselves to searching out creative people to deride. You are not discrediting me one iota. It is you who are being discredited. It’s not as if you HAVE to be on this blog. There are a myriad others. Set up your own vomit blog.

At the moment I’m writing WHY RUSSIA IS STILL A THREAT TO GLOBAL PEACE, looking at it’s reason for so vehemently supporting the Assad regime in Syria, ie the Russian, formerly Soviet, naval port Tartus, on the Syrian coast. This is Russia’s only direct access into the Mediterranean, then only able to be supplied by air or sea and both those being vulnerable. The collapse of the Soviet Union has left Russia desperately exposed to being landlocked, as well as being encircled by NATO as more nations consider membership. Membership by the Ukraine poses the most feared threat, cutting off Russian access to the big naval base on the Black Sea at Crimea.

The US and some NATO allies are playing an extremely dangerous game in promoting NATO encirclement of Russia, especially with the prospect of it losing Tartus.

As this project is so complex, looking at all of the nations involved, marine choke points, military alliances etc. it might take a couple more days. Then I want to consider Israel’s strategic nightmare and it US alliance.

@orac – seriously, can we do something about PH?

He is spamming the blog with his inanities.

Mrs Woo,
What’s your problem? I made a perfectly reasonable response to your reasonable comment on Mithras. I’ll not complain in the least if all the knockers go away, as I have a global media audience which is what I set out to do to, ie articulate a case for the very real possibility of a collapse in the world economy simultaneous to a nuclear holocaust. Now I can get on with it and possibly some intelligent courteous people can post without fear of being subject to the sort of overt abuse and ridicule (which I have just imagined) that I’ve copped over three Science Blogs. I wish you all Nodspeed.

paul hill, your comments are off-topic, irrelevant and boring. Ironically, you show an inflated sense of your own importance. Kindly go away.

Has anyone made any progress adapting a Greasemonkey killfile script for this blog?

Not I. The basic XPath patterns are fine, so either I’m being a complete bonehead or there’s something more complicated going on in the way the page is delivered. (My money is on the former.)