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Jenny McCarthy: ABC hires antivaccine “View”

Sometimes, as I sit down to write a blog post, I have no idea what I’m going to write about at first. Fortunately, it’s rare that I truly have zero idea what I’m going to write about. Usually, there are options, and I don’t know which one I’m going to pick. Sometimes, however, something happens that demands that I write about it. Either that, or it’s something that I know my readers will want me to write about and will be disappointed if I do not. Unfortunately, in this case, the timing is such that there’s been nearly a full day since the announcement of this particularly stupid decision (and I know you know what I’m talking about, even though I haven’t explicitly stated it yet) that everyone and his grandmother has already blogged about it. I have a highly demanding day job; so I have to wait, to the point where I’m already bored with this story, having seen endless Tweets, Facebook posts, and blog posts that I perused just over lunch earlier today, with more having poured in over the several hours since lunch. At this point, should I even bother?

What the hell? Why not? After all, my ego tells me that whatever all those other bloggers have to say is as nothing compared to the awesomeness that is Orac’s ability to dissect antivaccine nonsense, and few have followed the antivaccine “career” (such as it is) of Jenny McCarthy.

By this point, anyone who gives even a part of a rodential posterior about the antivaccine movement has already heard that the producers of the daytime chat show (I love the British term; so posh) have made an enormous, bone-headed, idiotic mistake on par with hiring Colin Baker to play the sixth Doctor back in the 1980s. No, much worse. Colin Baker didn’t promote dangerous pseudoscience, and, I hate to admit, I did occasionally like his portrayal of my favorite Time Lord. Yes, I’m referring to the hiring of Jenny McCarthy to be a regular on The View.

I can’t help but point out right here that it’s been very clear to me over the last couple of years that Jenny McCarthy has been making a conscious effort to—shall we say?—deemphasize her antivaccine crankery. Oh, sure, she still shows up every year to bask in the adoration of the antivaccine faithful at their yearly Autism One quackfest and even did it just this May. But the rest of the year she’s nowhere near as visible promoting “her” organization Generation Rescue as she used to be a few years ago. Indeed, other than last week’s post about the speculation that she might become a regular on The View it’s been a long time since I’ve written a post that was primarily about something Jenny McCarthy did. This post defending Andrew Wakefield in 2011 might well have been her most recent appearance as “star” of a post by me on this blog. Sure, I’ve written posts that have mentioned her secondarily, but it’s been at least a couple of years since she was the primary recipient of some of Orac’s not-so-Respectful Insolence. Heck, even when a bill was being considered in California to make it harder to obtain non-medical exemptions, it fell to Saturday Night Live alumnus Rob Schneider to bring the stupid home and step up—or, if you prefer, down—to be The Official Celebrity Antivaccine Idiot rallying opposition to the law. Not so long ago, that job surely would have fallen to Jenny McCarthy, but she was nowhere to be seen. Even Chuck Norris is outdoing Jenny McCarthy in laying down flaming swaths of antivaccine stupid these days. No longer do we get such brilliant statements from Jenny McCarthy as:

Examples:

  • “Without a doubt in my mind, I believe that vaccinations triggered Evan’s autism.”
  • “Following bio-medical treatment — which is basically changing the diet, giving vitamins and supplements and detoxing the body from metals or candida — and he recovered. And the reason the medical community has such a hard time with this is because we are treating and healing a vaccine injury … this is truly a revolution.”
  • “People are also dying from vaccinations. Evan, my son, died in front of me for two minutes. You ask any mother in the autism community if we’ll take the flu, the measles, over autism and day of the week. I think they need to wake up and stop hurting our kids.”
  • “The reason why [the medical community] is reluctant to talk about it is because there’s such a huge business in pharmaceuticals.”
  • “I look at autism like a bus accident, and you don’t become cured from a bus accident, but you can recover.” — She said in a Time magazine profile, The Autism Debate: Who’s Afraid of Jenny McCarthy?
  • “Let me see if I can put this in scientific terms: Think of autism like a fart, and vaccines are the finger you pull to make it happen.”

And let’s not forget her famous rant in the TIME Magazine article mentioned above:

I do believe sadly it’s going to take some diseases coming back to realize that we need to change and develop vaccines that are safe. If the vaccine companies are not listening to us, it’s their fucking fault that the diseases are coming back. They’re making a product that’s shit. If you give us a safe vaccine, we’ll use it. It shouldn’t be polio versus autism.

No more, but I don’t believe McCarthy has changed her views. Her silence on autism and vaccines is very much more likely to be part of a plan to resurrect her career. It’s apparently all worked. Jenny McCarthy has become “respectable” enough to land a high profile gig on The View. Or maybe I should say that she is no longer disreputable enough to be denied such a gig. It used to be that the only jobs she could land were low-budget direct-to-video gigs, starring in video games, and other sundry bottom-feeding entertainment jobs. Memories are clearly short, though. She soon started appearing in a recurring guest role on Two and a Half Men and landed a spot as a cohost of Dick Clark’s Rockin’ New Years Eve. Eventually, somehow she got some guest shots on The View, and now she’s a regular. Hiding her antivaccine proclivities has served her well. Five years ago, she was leading antivaccine cranks in marches on Washington demanding that politicians “green our vaccines.” In 2013, she’s the new cohost of The View.

So what’s the big deal? Everyone deserves a second chance, right? If McCarthy keeps her yap shut about vaccines while she’s on The View, then who cares? To some extent, I can understand and partially agree with that view. There are plenty of performers with political or other views that I find odious whom I nonetheless find entertaining enough to watch. Nor does hiring someone to be on a coffee klatch that provides infotainment by discussing the issues of the day in a light, fluffy, frothy morning brew of a show, even more forgettable as a typical summer blockbuster imply that ABC agrees with her views. After all, the woman she is replacing, Elisabeth Hasselbeck, has some—shall we say?—questionable views, but this is different. Jenny McCarthy’s views endanger children by encouraging parents not to vaccinate. Sure, McCarthy denies to high heaven that she has told parents not to vaccinate, but she has a history of spreading the sort of misinformation that frightens parents, claims that vaccines cause autism. I’ve been writing about it for years.

Jenny McCarthy’s ignorance of science and antivaccine views are perhaps best encapsulated in this video, in which she parrots easily debunked antivaccine misinformation claiming that vaccines contain aborted fetal tissues, ether, and antifreeze, none of which is accurate. She blames autism on children reaching a “toxic tipping point” and claims that autism can be healed by various “detoxification.” If you want to see an example of sheer, unmitigated antivaccine stupid, watch the videos below. The antivaccine crank blog originally posted this video, but took it down, apparently out of embarrassment. But YouTube knows all, and I hope that as many people as possible watch these videos and read my deconstruction of them here:

Pay particular attention to the part where McCarthy tries to give a discourse on neurology. As I wrote at the time, I rather suspected (and still do) that the shock would cause poor Steve Novella to clutch his chest with crushing chest pain if he tried to watch it, as she describes neurons as the “kings” and the glial cells the “chefs,” which, according to her, can “morph into Rambo” and fight off Iran and Iraq. In fact, she even describes it and acts it out. Her analogy? Allergies change the “chef cells” into “Rambo cells,” and the “king cells” starve.

Painful.

I also encourage people to look at the sorts of signs that were carried by protestors at the rally that Jenny McCarthy led:

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More images can be found here. You get the idea. This is not just a matter of hiring someone with misguided ideas that are kooky but harmless. This is someone who has not only been an antivaccine activist and a leader of a rally on Washington designed to get the government to “acknowledge” that vaccines cause autism.

No doubt ABC will argue that that’s all in the past, except that it’s not. Not really. Jenny McCarthy still shows up every year at the antivaccine quackfest known as Autism One. Before, when she showed up, she was just a washed up former Playboy Playmate, comedienne, and actress with fringe views. Now she’s on a show with 3 million viewers broadcast nationally, which raises her status immensely. Before, when she showed up at the Autism One quackfest, no one outside of antivaccinationists and those of us who oppose them cared. Now, one can anticipate that her new status will allow her to raise the profile of the quackfest. Indeed, it will be interesting to see if McCarthy does the keynote for the 2014 Autism One meeting, as she has done for the past several years. Unless a ban on McCarthy appearing at such events is written into her contract, I don’t see how ABC could stop McCarthy from appearing there and raising its profile by her now magnified celebrity.

Even though The View is fluffy infotainment, it’s fluffy infotainment with millions of viewers, many of whom are young mothers who might be wondering whether it’s safe to vaccinate or not. If Jenny McCarthy is allowed to let her antivaccine freak flag fly again in this venue, the damage could be severe, as questions of science are presented as manufactroversies in which pseudoscience is presented as science. I’d be shocked if McCarthy’s antivaccine friends in Generation Rescue aren’t plotting right now to give her talking points and ways to work them into conversations on the show where they don’t sound out of place or forced, and it wouldn’t surprise me to see her slipping such messages in every now and then. It might not even be noticeable to anyone without a deep knowledge of the antivaccine movement, at least not at first.

ABC, what have you wrought?

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691 replies on “Jenny McCarthy: ABC hires antivaccine “View””

That 2nd photo in the signs section – is she balancing that sign on her thumb? Why can’t I see the handle of that sign?!

Seriously though, great post. I occasionally watched the View, but no matter who else they bring in, the combination of Sherri and Jenny is just too much stupid. Maybe they’re trying to appeal to the Dr. Oz demographic?

I don’t know how significant it is, awful decision as it surely is. A Venn diagram of people dumb enough to treat The View as a serious scientific forum and those already likely to be drawn to anti-vaccine campaigning would overlap pretty significantly I’d wager. Also, if any of the other View members object to McCarthy’s anti-vaxx stuff they can bring on someone to debunk her claims, and those millions of viewers will be exposed to that too.

Also, it seems to me McCarthy has gotten mileage from a persecution fantasy, of defying the mainstream media, scientific institutions blah blah. Joining a popular TV show where she has to adhere to the constraints of the show (i.e. she can’t just talk about vaccines every day, engage in self promotion, unchecked bloviating) might undercut her impact in a way.

I do take your point on slipping talking points in though, but I’m not sure she’d be that adept at such a thing herself.

I wouldn’t worry too much. It’s probably in her contract to disassociate herself from any talk of vaccinations/autism etc.
Her appearances at Autism One will no doubt cease too.

I keep rolling my eyes….

Well, at least she updated her look so she’s no longer doing a blonde version of the Kardashian make up.

Hey Guys,

Have you heard about free speech? You guys are supposed to be science people so surely you should respect the concept. So what if Jenny is joining The View? Every TV personality should only take a stance on the issues that you agree with?

Hey Guys,

Don’t let your fear pull you to the Dark Side. It will eat you up, it will consume you. You must resist! Resist your fear! Resist the dark side!

— Oh wait! You’re already there! Never mind. (hee,hee,hee)

@Greg: Giving Jenny McCarthy a daytime TV job is like giving Jim Jones the keys to San Francisco City Hall (which really happened). It gives them a legitimacy they don’t deserve, and will exploit to destructive ends.

No use debating a troll, but I felt I had to say it.

As has been pointed out to you before, Greg, freedom of speech does not mean:
1) the right to a platform for that speech, and;
2) freedom from criticism for that speech.

Greg,
We are lamenting the choice by pointing out JMs idiocy. We are not preventing her continuing to be an idiot.

@MikeMa – the hope is that she says things so absolutely ridiculous that she’ll finally be seen by the entire general public as the wack-a-loon that she really is – not to mention the chance that she’ll anger the anti-vax community by not making “public” enough stance on vaccines…..so, it could be a win-win.

@Lawrence,
Excellent points. Her prior anti-vax idiocy exposure was limited. On the View she will have a much larger audience to disgust and horrify.

The common defense is that her views offscreen shouldn’t punish her for her ability to be entertaining onscreen.

Apply the same logic and go ahead and fight for Paula Deen to keep her job on TV.

I didn’t save the link, but last week I thought I saw an item claiming that Jenny’s son actually does not have autism; his development has progressed significantly in recent months in ways that are supposedly incompatible with autism. Did anybody else see that, and did somebody save the link?

Not that it absolves Jenny of anything. She was pushing a view that had long since been discredited in the scientific world, and endangering other people’s kids in the process. I don’t see what she has to offer The View, unless she was specifically chosen to play the role of a dumb blonde. In her case, that may not involve acting; it’s because of people like Jenny that the dumb blonde stereotype exists. (I know plenty of smart blondes, but none of them are in Hollywood.)

Aww,, video game voices aren’t bottom feeding entertainment jobs. Lots of big names do it, and they often do it concurrently with other high profile gigs. It’s easy money and lots of fun. Kristen Bell (Veronica Mars) did the voice for the character in a bunch of Assassin’s Creed games concurrently with her gigs on Veronica Mars, Gossip Girl, and major motion pictures.

But yeah to everything else. JMcC is looney toons.

Arguing Jenny could be good if she’s just prevented from talking about vaccinations is like giving Eichmann a job as mass transit coordinator. After all, he proved highly capable of moving a large number of people under adverse conditions, and as long as he doesn’t have a say on what happens after they leave the subway …

Mu @16 — I think we should lay off the Nazi analogies, since we get so P’d O when the other side does it. Plus, Godwin.

The probem isn’t McCarthy, it’s Walters, who is nearing the end of her life and whom, I tend to believe, wants to take as many people with her. Some giant egos are like that.

Screw Godwin, the analogy fits. Jenny didn’t kill any of the kids who died of measles or whooping cough personally either, but she sure contributed by her conduct.

I don’t see what she has to offer The View, unless she was specifically chosen to play the role of a dumb blonde.

I think she was chosen to play the edgy (for daytime TV) “dirty girl” – like a slightly outrageous best friend of the younger women in the audience who talks about sex a lot and makes fart jokes. If ABC is smart they will have told her to keep her yap shut about vaccines and stick to smutty jokes and potty humour. It will be interesting to see if she cuts the antivax crowd loose now that she’s got a sweet mainstream gig. She doesn’t need them anymore, really.

@Lawrence,

“the hope is that she says things so absolutely ridiculous that she’ll finally be seen by the entire general public as the wack-a-loon that she really is – not to mention the chance that she’ll anger the anti-vax community by not making “public” enough stance on vaccines…..so, it could be a win-win.”

Lawrence, Lawrence, oh buddy Lawrence, can you guys ever truly win? The way I see it, even when you win you lose!

The more you ‘convince’ the public that vaccines do not cause autism and the more they vaccinate, the more ‘mystery’ autism we will have. And, the more we don’t have an explanation that accounts for this ‘mystery’ other than vaccines, the more suspicious the public will be, and the more they will consider that vaccines do cause autism.

Lawrence, this little game serves perfectly as an exercise in futility.

@Edith Prickly,
I expect you are correct. They are not yet crowing about her new job a AoA yet, and one would have expected them to be shouting this to the rooftops. She’s still clearly listed on Generation Rescue, but if she disappears from that in a few days, we will know that she’d decided to put the antivaxers behind her.

I think they hired her so that she could “shock” viewers with sexual innuendo and disgusting details about biological processes and still look reasonably acceptable to women at the same time.

Her ‘controversial’ ( actually, manufactuversial) views might actually be a plus to boost ratings- if they are losing 2 or 3 personae in rapid succession- viewers might tune in to see if and how she works her backwards medical views into conversations. Even smart people who usually would never watch the show ( e.g. Orac’s minions).

@Eric Lund,
There was some speculation several years ago that Jenny’s son actually has Landau-Kleffner syndrome. I don’t think it’s ever been formally confirmed.

BTW pro-vaxxers, are you guys not worried that you don’t have any spokesperson looking as gorgeous as Jenny? (Hee,hee,hee).

What does it say about how nature views our side that it would bestow us with such magnificent looks?

What does it say about how nature views our side that it would bestow us with such magnificent looks?

Nothing. A person’s physical attractiveness does not make their statements about vaccines (or anything else, for that matter) true.

@Edith Prickly

Indeed. And if “looks” determined “truth”, well, they’ve also got Rob Schneider, so…

Greg,

[…] can you guys ever truly win? The way I see it, even when you win you lose!

Some food for thought:

An opinion poll in April this year found that more Americans believe that an alien spaceship crashed in Roswell in 1947, and that the US government covered it up, than believe that vaccines cause autism.
According to The World Health Organization:

Estimated global diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis 3rd dose (DTP3) coverage among children aged <12 months in 2011 was 83%, ranging from 71% in the African Region to 96% in the Western Pacific Region, and representing 106.8 million vaccinated children. Estimated global coverage for BCG, Polio 3rd dose (Polio3), and measles-containing-vaccine 1st dose (MCV1) was 88%, 84%, and 84%, respectively. During 2011, 130 (67%) countries achieved ≥90% national DTP3 coverage, and 46 (24%) achieved the Global Immunization Vision and Strategy goal of ≥80% DTP3 coverage in every district or equivalent administrative unit. DTP3 coverage was 80%–89% in 32 (17%) countries, 70%–79% in 13 (7%) countries, and <70% in 19 (10%) countries.

That doesn’t look much like losing to me. We won’t truly have won until vaccine coverage is maintained at a high enough level to eradicate polio, measles, and other diseases that have no non-human reservoirs, at which point vaccination will become unnecessary for those diseases. I think it’s a shame that some people, like you Greg, seem to be determined to stop that from happening.

I’m just hoping Jenny McCarthy’s cousin Melissa isn’t an antivax nut, too. I’m afraid to look it up.

Hey now… Colin Baker’s Doctor has been quite redeemed by his performance in the Big Finish Productions audios. Every classic Who fan should check out BF’s offerings – audio plays featuring the 4th – 8th Doctors. They totally saved the 8th Doctor and that’s no small order.

Aaaanyways. While I don’t watch daytime TV I agree that it’s a cause for concern that JMcC is getting a larger audience for her fringe views – whatever they happen to be this week…

What does it say about how nature views our side that it would bestow us with such magnificent looks?

I hate to break this to you, Greg, but she’s not particularly good looking. A rotating cast of fake breasts, artifically bulging cheeks, quite possible mediocre nose job, botox addiction, and frankly horsy jaw (there’s a reason she’s rarely shot in profile) are not exactly the sort of thing that would cause everyone to even reach the question whether to toss her out of bed for eating crackers.

Indeed. And if “looks” determined “truth”, well, they’ve also got Rob Schneider, so…

Ha! Forgot about Rob Schneider. Wasn’t Rob such an effective spokesperson that he got his backside handed to to him by a couple of radio shock-jocks?

What does it say about how nature views our side that it would bestow us with such magnificent looks?

The misogyny reminds me of some wingnuts who went on and on about how pretty they thought Ann Coulter or Sarah Palin are. Wake up call, children: Appearances have nothing to do with the issue. Don’t judge a woman’s arguments by her appearance.

The way “nature” views our side. Just about says all we need to know about Greg. So nature gave your side looks instead of brains (when nature first heard about the upcoming vaccine skirmish) and your happy with that? Good luck gettin by on your looks.

@ Bronze Dog:

You are correct. Also note the anthropomorphism- re ‘nature’ (whatever that is) “viewing”..
Interestingly though, certain alt med folk also judge men the same way..

Where’s Dr. Jay? The pediatrician to the stars should be here defending Jenny.

The Sixth Doctor is one of my favorites (though honestly, there’s no Doctor I dislike), and I am quite confident that his third season would have redeemed him anyway. There was a story arc they were working on, and it all would have settled out in his third season. But politics got involved, and people above JNT ordered Baker’s contract be broken. And then of course there was so much upheaval on the production side during his entire tenure. His Doctor is maligned for entirely the wrong reasons, unfortunately.

@Edith Prickly

Wasn’t Rob such an effective spokesperson that he got his backside handed to to him by a couple of radio shock-jocks?

Yes. Twice. That was on the Radio From Hell show on X96 in Utah. The second time, before he made an appearance, the hosts were talking about his previous visit. Also, despite promises that he wouldn’t talk about vaccines, since he was there to hawk his standup show, he nonetheless expounded on numerous, easily disproven claims. The hosts were fantastic.

For all undecided lurkers out there, here is yet another –peer reviewed!– study reporting a link between inflammation and autism, and supporting the ‘crazy’ notion that vaccines do cause autism. After Orac’s VCADOD group is finished criticizing the study, the important question to ask is why such studies exist in the first place.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/autism-epidemic-linked-to-epidemic-of-vaccine-induced-diabetes-215213361.html

Greg, perhaps we are on the Dark Side.
I would rather be there, than with you on the Dumb Side.
Use the Farce, Greg.

“People are also dying from vaccinations. Evan, my son, died in front of me for two minutes.”

She keeps using that word. I do not think it means what she thinks it means.

@Greg – hmmmm….let’s see:

http://www.vaccines.net/newpage4.htm

So it appears that Classen Technologies has patented a couple of alternative “vaccine” technologies, including a test for……wait for it…..type 1 diabetes….and is looking to license said technology to the highest bidder.

No, not a conflict of interest there at all. Moron.

@Greg – also, Classen is pushing technologies to allow for “more” vaccinations at birth….how do you feel about that?

@Lawrence

No, no. You see, it’s just trying to be justly rewarded for the hard work they’ve done. It’s not a conflict of interest. You see, just because he would profit if his research is correct wouldn’t motivate him to “find” results that fit his hypothesis at all. His results can totally be trusted.

For all undecided lurkers out there, here is yet another –peer reviewed!

Greggie, don’t post the same thing to multiple threads.

@Calli

Well, fooling around with the Director General’s wife is bound to predispose him to disliking the project.

Mind you, Grade wanted to cancel the show long before *that* little fracas blew up. He would have fired Colin, one way or another. The way CB chose to speak about the Beeb during his convention tour the summer of… 86? (My memory is hazy) couldn’t have helped. He tore the Beeb up one side, down the other and then was apparently surprised that his behavior was among the publicly-cited reasons for his termination…

(re: third season story redeeming a Doctor – I know that was true of Sylvester McCoy’s run. Things shut down just as they were getting interesting. No idea what they had in mind for CB…)

The way “nature” views our side. Just about says all we need to know about Greg.

And as Narad points out, not everyone would agree that Jenny is beautiful. And he confirms my first impression that the photo of her at the top of this post isn’t of someone I’d call a natural beauty (though I couldn’t put my finger on what, exactly, didn’t look right). But that has nothing to do with the substance of her message. Which, to the extent there is any, is a harmful message.

And as Bronze Dog points out, it was the same thing with Sarah Palin. It was from one of Palin’s fans that I learned the acronym MILF. The problem with Palin, as with Jenny McCarthy, is that neither of them ever had any, ahem, assets other than their looks, as they demonstrate whenever they open their mouths.

@ Edith Prickly

I’m a daily reader at Salon and I often find Alex Pareene over the top, even for an old liberal like me, Sometimes he’s dead right. Like now. My favorite part of that column is that he calls out HuffPo for all the quackery they’ve promoted and allowed to stay up. I avoid HuffPo for that very reason.

So it appears that Classen Technologies has patented a couple of alternative “vaccine” technologies, including a test for……wait for it…..type 1 diabetes….and is looking to license said technology to the highest bidder.

“Classen Immunotherapies” has an address of Classen’s house as given in the current pape, and he’s using a Gmail account. I haven’t the energy to look closely at his legal adventures, particularly given that Myriad is well and truly over. There’s one summary here.

@Michelle – I used to read Pareene when he wrote for Wonkette, so most of his Salon output seems downright tame by comparison. 🙂 He’s kept enough irreverence from his time at Wonkette that his media criticism is usually spot-on

I got fed up with the Huffpo years ago – from the beginning it struck me as little more than a monument to Arianna Huffington’s ego. It was like an online high-school yearbook – all the pictures and stories feature the editor’s friends.

@Michelle – I used to read Pareene when he wrote for Wonkette, so most of his Salon output seems downright tame by comparison. 🙂 He’s kept enough irreverence from his time at Wonkette that his media criticism is usually spot-on

I got fed up with the Huffpo years ago – from the beginning it struck me as little more than a monument to Arianna Huffington’s ego. It was like an online high-school yearbook – all the pictures and stories feature the editor’s friends.

sorry for the double post, my computer has been acting strange all day.

Johanna — the Cartmel Masterplan comes to mind, yes. We never got to see that pan out either. Part of me would be rather pleased if John Hurt turns out to be the Other. The other part of me is hoping they come up with something different just for the joy of surprise. 😉

Yay, Dreg’s back!

There’s one great thing about a petulant, irritating child like Dreg paying a visit. His running at the mouth, yapping, flailing, and careening about is as much fun as anal warts, or cancer of the glans, but when he flounces? The peace and quiet is fvcking breathtaking. It’s like the first rain after a heatwave, or the sound of birds singing after two weeks of noisy roadworks.

Dreg – you might fancy yourself as quite the entertainer, but in reality you’re the online equivalent of a three year old fed exclusively on Skittles and cappuccino. Your debate skills are no match for a Labrador on crack, let alone human beings with an interest in the world of science.

Once again you’ve unleashed your battle cry of “FREEDUMB!”, and once again you’ve proven that you understand neither your own country’s precious First Amendment, nor that science is about cold hard facts, not opinions and feelings.

Poor little fool, suckled so long at Wakefield’s crap-dribbling tit that you actually believe that “Vaccines cause autism cos I said so!” and “You are all UGLY!” are effective forms of debate.

Sorry Dreg, your side is on a slide to the bottom. You’ve been revealed as the lying, bullsh¡t merchants that you are, all of your “proof” has been found wanting, and children (and adults) are dying because people believed what the likes of Ms McCarthy said.

Vaccines do not cause autism. People with asthma and diabetes are not dying in childhood, so they seem greater in number. You anti-vax muppets need to stop obsessing over the “loss” of the “perfect child” that you were never promised, stop using your situation to justify the abuse of vulnerable children and adults, and your freeloading on the social conscience of others. Drop the disgusting ableism, stop lying to yourselves and everyone else, stop pretending autism is a tragedy, and look at the evidence that’s out there about the likely roots of ASDs.

It’s time to grow up, stop wasting time and money by diverting research funds and man-hours to Wankfield’s long-debunked nonsense that “Vaccines cause autism”. All you lot do is make noise and cause trouble, doused in self-pity on your crusade to… well, apparently do nothing but make noise and cause trouble. Groups like AOA exist purely for the sake of existing. Where’s the public health education, research into learning and teaching strategies for autistic children, programs to help young autistic adults live independent lives? All AOA and co. do is fight for the right to anally violate children (with bleach), hawk spurious supplements and cruelly restrictive diets, and spew abuse at scientists and activists who are trying to make a real difference. How very noble and productive of you all.

BTW Other Mrs elburto and I met Colin Baker. He’s lovely, and very small. OMe got a hug from Nicola Bryant who is still gorgeous, not to mention impossibly youthful. Oh and Sophie Aldred is sooo quiet and shy. She’s not at all like Ace, who was one of my first crushes, but she braved the horrors of a bad cold to speak at the con. I wasn’t initially keen on the Daleks I met, but their musical number won me over. As a former child-fan of DW who was terrified of the Daleks, it’s still quite uncanny being in a room with them, especially as I can’t climb stairs either!

BTW Other Mrs elburto and I met Colin Baker. He’s lovely, and very small. OMe got a hug from Nicola Bryant who is still gorgeous, not to mention impossibly youthful. Oh and Sophie Aldred is sooo quiet and shy. She’s not at all like Ace, who was one of my first crushes, but she braved the horrors of a bad cold to speak at the con. I wasn’t initially keen on the Daleks I met, but their musical number won me over. As a former child-fan of DW who was terrified of the Daleks, it’s still quite uncanny being in a room with them, especially as I can’t climb stairs either!

@elburto – oh, I’ve nothing against any of the actors, at all. I’ve met a few of ’em as well (thank heavens I live pretty close to one of the three Doctor Who conventions in the USA!) and they’re fab folk. And I’ll never hear a word against Sophie Aldred, in particular. Have you met her kids? Adorable!

*ahem*

Meanwhile, back on the thread – a beautiful drubbing of Dreg, Elburto! Bravo! 😉

PS – Elburto, if you like the notion of musical Daleks, listen to “Jubilee” by Big Finish. It’s a 6th Doctor story featuring, well, I don’t want to spoil it any further for you…

(trivia note: it was heavily adapted as the 9th Doctor story “Dalek”. You’ll note that there were no musical Daleks in that one…)

I’ll hold off on the Cremora-powered flamethrowers for the nonce, Elburto, you seem to have sufficient firepower without them.

(Besides, the spousal unit is getting cranky about the scorch marks on the garage walls).

“Let me see if I can put this in scientific terms: Think of autism like a fart, and vaccines are the finger you pull to make it happen.”

Ladies and Gentlemen, this right here illustrates the sum total of the depths of Jenny McCarthy’s understanding of science.

@Narad

Narad, c’mon man, how can you say Jenny is not good-looking? And I thought I had a hard time getting you guys to admit that vaccines cause autism! Narad, please scroll-up and tell me if that is not a picture of a good-looking woman. Sometimes I wonder why I bother.

Ah OMe has ‘Jubilee’, I’ll get her to transfer it to my phone when she gets in!

Don’t worry. I didn’t think you were slagging any actors off, I was just namedropping! The only one I refuse to even think about is “He who does not exist”, ie. the one between Seven and Nine. My other half thinks my distaste for the alleged Eighth is hilarious, but even she knows not to get me started on the pathetic excuse for The Master in that abomination. May Rassilon’s tombstone fall, and crush him to a pulp!

I’m totes not a geek, as you can see. Ahem.

As for Dreg’s drubbing, thank you. I’m at the end of my political tether today, mad as hell and refusing to take it anymore. The Muppet in question will no doubt laugh it off, but I’m beyond caring at this point, I just needed to vent and he was the perfect target. I do love a good rant, it angries up the blood!

@Orac

The other thread that I was posting my ‘question of the day’ and other themes is getting too long at 800 comments, and loading really slow. May I carry on with the same stuff on this thread? I can’t see why it would matter since your blogs are all the same mush, with you foaming at the mouth about the ‘quacks’ and ‘cranks’.

It must have been so exciting the first time Greg showed up. To see what so strongly resembled attempts at communication by something that didn’t appear to be sentient – the biologists among us must have been fascinated!

It’s a pity the noises turned out to be nothing more than clicks and whirring.

elburto, for shame! As a former member of the Paul McGann Estrogen Brigade, I must protest. He did a fine job as Doctor, and has continued to do so in Big Finish productions. Not his fault the story he appeared in was somewhat less thrilling than we’d all been hoping for. And while Eric Roberts was certainly neither Anthony Ainley nor the incomparable Roger Delgado, well, honestly I don’t like what Russell T Davies made John Simms do with the part either. (And actually, neither does John Simms, who wanted to play it more like Delgado, all suave sophistication and not raging insanity.)

@Greg – so no comment on the fact that company you are “touting” is recommending more infant vaccines?

@Shay – sometimes it’s handy having a mother who’s a dragon. I don’t even need to drink lighter fluid or anything, I’m just a born flamer!*

As for perturbed spousal units, if the scorch marks are unnerving then the wasp-cannon will be devastatingly scary. Slip ’em some “Don’t Fret Pet”, my own proprietary blend of fentanyl, zolpidem and all-natural raspberry flavouring. Sweet dreams guaranteed!

*Why yes, there is such a thing as a camp lesbian. Fairly rare, but pretty low maintenance. Well, apart from having to constantly vacuum up glitter.

Greg: Let me clue you in on what ‘free speech’ means on the ‘net and TV. It means the same as in Hyde Park or Times Square: You get to say whatever you want, but no one’s obliged to lend you a soapbox or a megaphone, and the crowds are free to talk among themselves or throw vegetables. The View is free to offer J her own little megaphone, and we are allowed to stand on the corners of Orac’s blog and criticize it. Also, the View is supposed to be based in this reality, so that’s another point against this move.
I realize you are commenting from a parallel ‘verse, and I’m sure you’re wrong there too, but do try and keep up.

Greg, what evidence supports your claim that a causal relationship exists between routine vaccination and the development of autism spectrum disorders?

A failure to respond by the end of the day will be considered an explicit concession on your part that no such evidence exists.

@Calli – but that curly frightwig! Dios mia! Also, I’m really just joking, except for the whole Eric Roberts thing! We were appalled at what RTD ended up doing to the Master. Flying around and talking about meat? Bloody rubbish.

I’ve really enjoyed Paul McGann’s Big Finish stuff, in fact BF in general is a purveyor of some astoundingly good material. We’re big Iris Wildthyme fans. I want a panda.

@MEwens – aye, we were excited by the tantalising prospect of intelligent life and civilisation in anti-vax space. Alas, all we got was a “thousand monkeys at a thousand typewriters” scenario, by which I mean handfuls of sh:t being flung about, accompanied by incomprehensible screeching, then the occasional random word, and the lower-ranked monkeys taking frequent breaks to engage in vigorous frottage and tribadism with high-ranking ones.

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