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As seems to happen more frequently, Orac has had his attention wholly taken up by contemplating a black hole. (Actually, he’s at a medical conference on quality care in breast cancer.) Consequently, after a four and a half hour drive to the hotel, dinner out with the conference staff, and preparing for his talk, he didn’t have time to deliver the Insolence you all know and crave. So he’s asking you—yes, you!—to create your own Insolence. That’s right. It’s open thread day, although I do want there to be a bit of guidance. Are there any particular topics or targets deserving of Orac’s loving attention in the near future that he hasn’t already covered?

Fear not. Orac’s Insolence can’t long be contained, even by work.

By Orac

Orac is the nom de blog of a humble surgeon/scientist who has an ego just big enough to delude himself that someone, somewhere might actually give a rodent's posterior about his copious verbal meanderings, but just barely small enough to admit to himself that few probably will. That surgeon is otherwise known as David Gorski.

That this particular surgeon has chosen his nom de blog based on a rather cranky and arrogant computer shaped like a clear box of blinking lights that he originally encountered when he became a fan of a 35 year old British SF television show whose special effects were renowned for their BBC/Doctor Who-style low budget look, but whose stories nonetheless resulted in some of the best, most innovative science fiction ever televised, should tell you nearly all that you need to know about Orac. (That, and the length of the preceding sentence.)

DISCLAIMER:: The various written meanderings here are the opinions of Orac and Orac alone, written on his own time. They should never be construed as representing the opinions of any other person or entity, especially Orac's cancer center, department of surgery, medical school, or university. Also note that Orac is nonpartisan; he is more than willing to criticize the statements of anyone, regardless of of political leanings, if that anyone advocates pseudoscience or quackery. Finally, medical commentary is not to be construed in any way as medical advice.

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167 replies on “Create your own Insolence!”

Well, the biggest news of the week for me was the meta analysis of the effect of vaccination on autism (none, of course). I’d be interested in hearing from people who are used to interpreting such analyses to see how good it was. It’s likely to be targeted by anti-vaxxers so it would be good to marshal our arguments first.

@sheepmilker

Haven’t read it yet, but I’m always wary of meta analyses, even if they agree with my viewpoint. It’s very easy to get spurious results. Need to look carefully at the studies included and method of selecting studies to ensure it’s not just a GIGO report.

Amongst other fol-de-rol:

something’s been brewing @ TMR: it seems that TM Tex ( Thalia Michelle Seggelink) has started her own advocacy group in order the legalise medical marihuana for autism in Texas- the group is called MAMMA- there’s a post ‘splaining it all @ TMR today.

PRN is fast becoming the anti-psychiatry centre of the universe.
Expect new reports, papers and interviews to be circulating around the net and wiinding up in comments here.

Question: although Jake Crosby and John Stone exist in different spheres of influence these days, they often sound like the same person: is that possible?
-btw- the AutismOne Woo-tacular will only feature on of them. See what I mean? They’re never in the same place at the same time.

And what about the move to legalize marijuana for the parents of children with autism?

Well, one story I liked was that two women were injected with modified measles to cure cancer. In one, it worked, in the other, it didn’t.
Both were immunocompromised, and the dose injected was equivalent to 10,000 or 10,000,000 times the dose in a vaccine (depending on the source cited).

Recent articles on the the Mayo Clinic’s use of specially engineered measles virus to cure cancer sounds exciting. However, according to one account being immunized to measles reduced the effectiveness (only 1 out of 6 patients has been apparently cured). Lower levels of measles antibodies may be required for this to work.

Does this suggest that vaccinating for measles will lead to increased cancer death in future? Or, assuming this treatment works well, will someone need to engineer a measles virus that is not affected by antibodies created by current vaccines?

@EBA,
Indeed it looks like a sad story and they way First Nations children were treated in the past adds some problems.

I’m not going to read all comments, because I’m affraid there will be more reactions that support dubious treatments, than reactions that make sense. One reaction really did it, claiming that 97% of the cancer patients recieving chemo, died within 5 years, because of the chemo.
Well, of course it is always the chemo, but never the cancer.

claiming that 97% of the cancer patients recieving chemo, died within 5 years, because of the chemo

A classic example of post hoc ergo propter hoc. It’s the same thinking that says you should never go to a hospital because so many people die in hospitals.

@MoB – upon digesting the article regarding using Measles to kill Cancer cells, it does appear that having a compromised immune system helps the treatment do its work, before the body reacts against the intrusion….while not hugely successful in this one trial, it does point to further refinements (and possible genetic alterations to the virus) that would result in a much more targeted, and hopefully effective treatment.

This is more of a comment and a question, but nothing makes me more insolent than healthcare workers who refuse vaccines. I have a primary immune deficiency disorder and get critically sick from minor respiratory infections. As of now I’ve been sacked by a resistant strain of Cryptococcus Neoformans, high doses of anti-fungals to get rid of it, and weekly IgG replacement therapy. I have no fight in me right now, but when I get better, I plan to try to counter some of the stupid in blogs such as this one:

http://kellythekitchenkop.com/2012/02/healthcare-workers-how-to-refuse-mandatory-vaccines-and-not-get-fired.html

This particular blog post has been going for awhile, but irks me to no end. Is anyone else passionate enough about this to help me out?

@ Wijo:

Orac had a post ( Sept 2012) called ” Perhaps this line of work is not for you”. You may also use the search box above: anti-vaccine health care workers.

-btw- woo-meisters often chime in supporting nurses who refuse vaccines etc. Unfortunately I know lots about this.

Hope you’re feeling better soon.

I’ve been closely following (via his Facebook page) Chris Wark, of Chrisbeatcancer.com fame (or, maybe infamy). Orac wrote about him some months ago.

This person actively encourages cancer patients to forgo SBM in favor of “natural therapies” to “heal” themselves. While Wark claims he is not a doctor and is merely dispensing “friendly” advice (his words, in the disclaimer on his website) he offers his services as a “cancer coach.” In my option, he’s just coaching patients to an untimely death.

Two recent posts on his FB page left me depressed and outraged. One, the daughter of a man recently diagnosed with rectal cancer asked if Gerson (rectal!) would would be a good alternative treatment. Wark gave her a like. Another, a woman with a recently diagnosed with Stage 3A IDC (the same diagnosis my wife received before her money grubbing surgeon and oncologist teamed up with Evil Pharma to save her life four years ago) posted that was forgoing further SBM treatments (chemo and I assume radiation), in favor of “a new, healthy lifestyle.” Another like from Wark.

I’m wondering if there’s some way to stomp on guys like Wark, who hide behind simple disclaimers, with hobnail boots…What they do is just medieval.

“Both were immunocompromised, and the dose injected was equivalent to 10,000 or 10,000,000 times the dose in a vaccine (depending on the source cited).”

You mean, the amount of antigen that Paul Offit says the immune system can respond to? And the people survived? Did they turn autistic?

In Ohio, we are experiencing good-sized outbreaks of measles and mumps, as well as a case of diptheria (!). Legislators are now getting around to making vaccination a requirement for pre-K as OH is the only state to not have this on the books yet.

@Wijo

Some of the comments on that article are really frightening. One nurse says that the policy does not specify “where” she needs to wear the mask if she forgoes the vaccine, so she’s going to wear it on her arm. Seriously? Is she 2 years old?

Now that a fabulous GMO toy/mascot, Frank N. Foode is in the works, it’s time for us pro-vaccine minions to come up with designs for our very own vax toys to woo the impressionable kiddies.

We could sell a line of plush vax critters – a lovable stuffed hypodermic needle, various Toxins (collect them all!) and of course Orac with his blinking lights. Children will love games where their vax toys vanquish the evil DachelBot and her flying monkeys.

Donations should suffice as seed money to develop this line of toys, but of course we could speed things up drastically by soliciting funds from Merck and the rest of Big Pharma (with the understanding that the money won’t come out of our shill bonuses).

Link to the Frank N. Foode project:

http://www.biofortified.org/2014/04/vote-on-the-new-frank-n-foode/

Oops, corrections- I got two BC patients mixed up- The person foregoing further chemo was IDC HER2 positive, Stage 2.

As for the Gerson question, Wark recommended the Northern Baja Gerson Clinic.

Setting the record straight.

I know it is not your specialty, but Dr. Terry Wahls “curing” her own MS with the Paleo diet is a piece of woo that needs some insolence.

And look at her website! She’s got her own store!
http://terrywahls.com/

Some of the comments on that article are really frightening. One nurse says that the policy does not specify “where” she needs to wear the mask if she forgoes the vaccine, so she’s going to wear it on her arm. Seriously? Is she 2 years old?

Does she work in a hospital? I hope as far removed from living people as possible. Perhaps the morgue is a nice place.
I suppose this lady would consider the suggestion to put it on a place where the sun doesn’t shine literally.
Please, let this lady be fired.

Renate/Todd: I have developed an extraordinary respect for RNs since taking up my current line of work. Our department mandates either the flu vaccine or a refusal statement, and I’m pleased to note that not a single one of the nurses on staff have refused to vaccinate.

It’s possible that a little self-selection is at play here, as Public Health nurses are possibly more attuned to the implications of not vaccinating than the average bear.

NCCAM is seeking public comments for a proposed name change to NATIONAL CENTER FOR RESEARCH ON COMPLEMENTARY AND INTEGRATIVE HEALTH.” Please go to this website and suggest a more accurate name like “National Research of Quakery” in the comment section.
http://nccam.nih.gov/about/offices/od/comments

Occasional followers of climate science stuff might be amused to read about l’aiffaire Bengtsson, which is creating quite the dustup. I’d start by looking up Rabbett Run’s blog on using your favorite search engine.

@wijo
we were talking yesterday about getting the groups at society for science in medicine more active.( http://www.sfsbm)
I know they need$, but you can sign up without needing to pay. once you are signed up, go to the social button and you’ll get a drop down menu. Click social again and then you’ll get a set of choices. pick groups and you can see what ones already exist, or you can create one.
I’m willing to do something on this issue. My hospital makes the unvaccinated wear masks and I had a bit of a conversation with one worker who was wearing one. Turned out she has an egg allergy, so I decided she wasn’t a dumb ass and I let her access my vein for an MRI. Otherwise, un-huh.

#24 – I can’t (but should) resist pointing out that calling an institute “National Research of Quakery” would violate the Establishment clause.

But changing it to “Quackery” does seem like a fine idea.

@DB: You mean you’ve never seen GiantMicrobes.com ? My children (errr…adults) have several of them.

The comments on sfsbm are visible to the public, but if you decide you don’t want them there, you can delete them.

@ Dangerous Bacon #19

We could sell a line of plush vax critters – a lovable stuffed hypodermic needle, various Toxins (collect them all!)

There already is a company specializing in cute plush bugs:
http://www.giantmicrobes.com/

Beware copyright infringements. On the other hand, if asked nicely, maybe they would consider extending their line of products into vaccines?

@Shay
I have respect for all people working in healthcare, but I don’t have much respect for people working in healthcare, refusing to vaccinate and being proud of it.

Mayim Bialik is now promoting a quack named Brian Leaf, who ended a friendship with someone who recognized the necessity of vaccines.

According to his bio, Brian Leaf “is certified by The New England Institute of Ayurvedic Medicine and holds licenses or certifications as a Yoga Teacher, Massage Therapist, Energyworker, and Holistic Educator. He also incorporates Bach Flower Essences [homeopathy], Cranio-Sacral Therapy, Reiki, Shiatsu, and Tai Chi into his work.”

This is only days after she completed a detox juice cleanse, which made her feel “stronger than ever” and “really clear”.

In the juice cleanse essay, you have this unsourced gem:

“As a vegan, I don’t have many toxins in my body. I don’t purport that I’m better than you or anything elitist and obnoxious like that, but I simply don’t eat foods that contain the hormones of other animals, the byproducts of other animals’ bodies and flesh, or the antibiotics and medications in the bodies of most of the animals that we eat in this country. “

So how is Mayim rewarded, despite denying science again and again? With an honorary degree this weekend from Boston University and being a featured speaker at the National Science Teachers’ Association

Whoops, left off a source link to her Brian Leaf endorsement, where she says “everyone seems to be talking about this new book about AP by a really funny and bright dad. i’m joining in at <a href="http://www.kveller.com/mayim-bialik/mayim-bialik-check-out-this-new-attachment-parenting-book-by-a-dad/"<Kveller.com

I think this quote explains a lot: Mayim Bialik;s use of the word “everyone” is illustrates how she surrounds herself with people who agree with her various philosophies, just as we all do.

Please debunk anti-psychiatry.

This pseudoscience has not recieved that much critical attention from skeptics, and like HIV/AIDS denialists, anti-psychiatry proponents are a huge threat to vulnerable patients.

section 2706 is the section in the Affordable Care Act that permits alternative providers to be included in insurance and Medicare coverage, under the heading provider non-discrimination. This section is somewhat open to interpretation, and CAM providers really want it to make sure insurance companies and Medicare is required to include them in plans.

Various depts.* wrote the frequently asked questions (FAQs)advising stakeholders about implementation.(see links below) but apparently the Senate Committee on Appropriations wasn’t happy. They’re requiring that the FAQ’s be revised.

There is a comment period on this section of the law that ends June 10, 2014 (link here:http://webapps.dol.gov/FederalRegister/HtmlDisplay.aspx?DocId=27416&AgencyId=8&DocumentType=3). I found out about this on a CAM organization website so I know ‘they’ are sending in comments. I think its really important for science based medicine people to write in and tell them how important it is to NOT interpret the section of the law liberally.
I’ll post more details on the sfsbm legislative group.

PRN is fast becoming the anti-psychiatry centre of the universe.

Maybe Gary’s supplement business isn’t doing so well and he’s courting some sweet scientology lucre?

@Dangerous Bacon

Well, in addition to the plush microbes others have already linked to, there are the VPD Wanter Cards I developed and the Quacktion Figures that will, alas, have to remain merely digital works of art.

@Renate

I don’t remember if that particular nurse was in a hospital, but there was at least one other nurse who said she’d refuse the vaccine who worked in a peds/newborn department.

I left the following comment for the NCCAM name change. I recommend that others also share their thoughts:

I would like to propose “National Center for Research on Supplements, Complementary and Alternative Medicines (SCAMs)” or “National Center for Research on Tooth Fairy Medicine”. I feel that these names accurately describe what the center currently does. Perhaps if the center starts putting money into research on treatments that actually have some plausibility, then a more legitimate name could be considered. But until that time, the center’s name should be an accurate reflection of the nonsense it funds with taxpayer money.

Remember, there is no such thing as “Complementary Medicine” or “Alternative Medicine”. Anything that has been shown to work is called “medicine”. Anything that has not yet been shown to work or has been shown not to work is not “medicine”. Likewise, there is no such thing as “Complementary Health” or “Integrative Health”. There is simply “Health”.

Both were immunocompromised, and the dose injected was equivalent to 10,000 or 10,000,000 times the dose in a vaccine (depending on the source cited).

They used 10¹¹ TCID₅₀ infectious units. The MMR contains 1000. This is the upper limit of their protocol.

Andrew Wakefield’s talk at AutismOne:
“The Legacy of Vaccine Injury”

The emergence of disease epidemics will tend to lead with the most overt and clinically severe cases. These prototypic cases, at the leading edge of the plague, herald many more affected individuals whose disease may be less severe and/or pervasive but, as will be proposed for the autism epidemic, are representative of significant neurological injury that affects a wide range of cognitive functions in a substantial proportion of the population. This talk considers the impact of a neurotoxic injury sustained across a population at a variable intensity and against a heterogeneous pattern of susceptibility. This impact is considered from medical, societal, educational, economic, and military perspectives

Which I read as: “Yep, vaccines cause autism and lots of other chronic diseases and are making boys lose IQ points so that girls can become valedictorians”

re anti-psychiatry:

Emil and Yvette:
because I frequent various sinkholes of illogic, I find that this attitude prevails. Natural News deplores any meds for mental conditions and has a resident NLP creature, Mike Bundrant, on board ( there is a guess that Mike A may have had ties to Scientology- Orac wrote about it). Mercola likes EFT. Anti-vaxxers often frown upon meds as well.

‘Fearless Parent’ is an offshoot of TMR and airs on PRN. Peter Breggin also narrowcasts there. PRN’s chief lunatic has been on an anti-psychiatry/ psychology binge for many years- recently he put up an article- “Manufacturing Madness” ( which may be hard to find amongst the embarassment of ‘riches’ at his sites – if you consider altie nonsense to be of value- see PRN.com/ GaryNull.com).

Null’s belief is that what most people call mental illnesses is merely “a part of living”: everyone gets depressed or has episodes of nervousness- that’s not an illness which requires meds. ( If a baby laughs and then cries- it’s not bipolar: doctors would medicate it) There are no tests that can show who has a mental illness ( by tests, he means imaging or blood tests only).

In the good old days in WV, the town elders took care of mental problems by “talking” to those who were troubled. I suppose that that and prayer helped. Odd, but he doesn’t mention institutions unless if he talks about ECT. Everyone was just fine, thank you.

I often wonder if the hatred of psychologists/ psychiatrists and meds by woo-meisters comes from a worry that they themselves may need help. Often, patients with serious mental conditions assure us that they are fine and don’t need meds ( anosognosia.) If you follow these people, as I do, you sometimes wonder if their attitiude is one of empathy or of self- identification.

@ Stu:

According to Manta.com, he sells 12 million USD per year.
I venture that he hasn’t the self-awareness to evaluate his own issues.

Another interesting talk at Autism one will be by Judy Mikovits

Environmental Causes of Autism—Investigate if you dare!

In 2006, Dr. Mikovits became attracted to the plight of patients with chronic fatigue syndrome and autism. In only five years, she developed the first neuroimmune institute from a concept to a reality and is primarily responsible for demonstrating the relationship between immune-based inflammation and these diseases. In 2009, the identification of a retroviral association with ME/CFS and autism by her laboratory would forever change her world as the diseases had theirs. In the fall of 2011, a mistake made by the original discoverers of XMRV was used to scapegoat Dr. Mikovits and the patient communities, sending a clear message of the fate of anyone who dared to investigate environmental causes of autism.

Looks like she’s not admitting to having made any mistakes and isn’t even accepting that the results are wrong. She’s being scapegoated.

As the parent of an autistic child, I find it insulting that she’s claiming that the “patient community” is being scapegoated.

@ Matt Carey:

Right. And that IQ loss thingy is a plot by female teachers and psychologists to take over…
Ooops!

Denice Walter,

I guess I’d understand the logic but I was vaccinated…

MHO @26

I’m afraid your egg allergic nurse and her institution have not kept up with the latest. Egg allergy is no longer a contraindication for Flu vaccine.

http://www.annallergy.org/article/S1081-1206(13)00529-2/fulltext

“The Adverse Reactions to Vaccines Practice Parameter 2012 update,1 consistent with new recommendations from the Centers for Disease Control’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP),2 recommended that egg-allergic persons receive injectable inactivated influenza vaccine (IIV) as a single dose without prior vaccine skin testing and be observed for 30 minutes afterwards for any possible allergic reaction. Furthermore, the update recommended that, if the reaction to the ingestion of eggs was hives only, the vaccine could be administered in a primary care setting, whereas if the reaction to the ingestion of eggs was more severe, the vaccine should be administered in an allergist’s office.

While flu vaccine is produced in egg based culture, there is simply too little egg protein residue left in the final product to cause trouble, even in individuals who are extremely allergic to egg. A prior allergic reaction to flu vaccine itself remains a contraindication, although as any allergist knows, a patient”s self reported allergy is not a very reliable predictor of true allergy.

C

The Mikovits gambit is so classic: if the theory was right then it was hers, when it was proved to be wrong, it was someone else’s fault.

Nobody scapegoated her.

The interesting thing is that she blames her stance on autism. Did she ever publish on autism or did she just make public statements? And, in order to crush her work on autism (why? just because it’s environmental?) they went out and showed that her work on CFS/ME was wrong?

post hoc ergo propter hoc?

What about all those people who die just days before they go to the undertaker? Explain that.

Spooky.

captain A @48

Thanks! She isn’t someone I regularly see, but I’m in the radiology department almost every other month and will take the info. to the department head. She was very proud of her science education and hates the anti-vax crowd, so I assume no one had updated her.
My hospital does a terrible job of educating their staff. In the last year I’ve run into staff in 3 depts. who had completely wrong information on hormones, vaccines, and therapeutic touch.

@43, 46
Clearly my X chromosomes missed the memo that I wasn’t supposed to catch the ASDs from the MMR. They must be in on the conspiracy too!

Serious topic to look at at some point: there’s been a lot of talk over the years about diseases caused by free radicals (Abbie Hoffman?) and treating these with antioxidants. A number of recent studies seem to show that antioxidants are less effective at improving health than some might think. What’s the real evidence for antioxidant benefits, and is the entire free radical theory supported by good science?

@ Mephistopheles O’Brien:

I came across something lately- I forget where, it’ll show up-that overloading yourself with anti-oxidants may have deleterious effects – i.e. with the body’s normal reactions to intrusion by outside intruders and manufacturing of anti- tumour sunstances? anti-microbials?

On a much lighter note:

I notice that AutismOne nearly upon us ( poor us!)-

WOULDN”T it be fun if one of the minions who lives nearby that airport ((shudder)) dropped in and reported for the rest of us who live thousands and thousands of miles away?

Certain phones can be marvelous, I’m told, for reportage.

REMEMBER though, while it is public, there are RULES posted on their website and you wouldn’t want to break any of them and get tossed out on your….. ear.

Most of you are quite inventive so…. perhaps we’ll be treated to a report about what’s new.

I can imagine Orac doing a spit-take while watching the new video with the NCCAM director.

Here was my comment:

I’m not sure how the proposed name is any less misleading than the existing name. I think it’s arguably more misleading because the idea of “integrating” real medicine with fake medicine makes no sense but might fool people into thinking it does.

As Dr. Mark Crislip often says, “If you integrate fantasy with reality, you do not instantiate reality. If you mix cow pie with apple pie, it does not make the cow pie taste better; it makes the apple pie worse.”

I think a more honest name would be the National Center for Research on Snake Oil and Science Denial.

More:
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/integrative-medicine-a-brand-not-a-specialty/
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/lies-damn-lies-and-integrative-medicine/
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-future-of-integrative-medicine-is-too-close-for-comfort/

I was valedictorian and I got the measles vaccine as a child. I must, however, exclude myself as a contrary anecdote as I went to a boy’s school and thus did not have to worry about girls. I did get 2 more measles vaccines (as the MMR–my original was just a measles vaccine) in college and grad school. So….maybe if I hadn’t received them I could have had enough extra IQ points left to be a mudphud surgeon with a research lab, multiple blogs and an abundance of insolence 🙂

Sadly (?) I am not near enough to beautiful downtown Chicago to attend AutismOne. However, the free gift of “a wonderfully compelling video on how to help heal your child” may be worth the $99 admission charge. And you can order virgin rill oil, in case your virgin krill are squeaking.

Was on holiday in Devon. In Sidmouth, saw a sign for Ebdons Court Natural Healing, who are offering “quantumwave laser therapy,” http://www.sidmouthnhc.co.uk/qwlhopi.php. Really, they offer a smorgasbord of complete nonsense. Devon seems to be full of alties and UKIPpers.

Chris Hickie –

I went to a boy’s school and thus did not have to worry about girls

Most boys I knew who went to a boy’s school worried about girls constantly, just like those of us who went to a co-ed school..

Oh, you meant as competition for the spot of valedictorian. Never mind.

One anti-vaccine trope that I have seen from time to time is the claim that too much about vaccines is unknown…especially when it comes to “long term” effects of vaccines. Many AVers believe that vaccine injuries are under reported because things (allegedly) caused by vaccines later on (autoimmune disorders, MS, fibromyalgia, cancer or other ailment that is still poorly understood) are not considered a reaction to the vaccines (likely because they aren’t…but that’s neither here nor there)… I have not really seen anything yet addressing concerns related to “long term” effects of vaccines and how these things may or may not be monitored and assessed for their possible relationships…(sorry if this seems all over the map, I’m having trouble finding the right words/phrases to describe the argument)

Denice Walter,

believe me, they think that’s happening. They threw Ken Reibel out twice from AutismOne. The last time enlisting the aid of uniformed but off-duty cops to do this (apparently earning extra money moonlighting). Nice harassment technique there. Ken tried repeatedly to get a straight story out of them as to why he was ejected. AutismOne wouldn’t say.

The first time he was recording, openly, as were many others. People used to post their videos of AutismOne online. Then Ken showed a bit more than they wanted and cameras were banned. As were reporters. I think the Trib tried to send people and they were denied. This is after Trine Tsuderous attended and reported…again AutismOne was not pleased to have an accurate account made public.

Chicago is, I believe, a two party state. Recording people without their knowledge would be illegal. I doubt anyone is thinking of doing this but in case they are–don’t.

@ Matt Carey:

Fortunately, many of Orac’s minions were/ are fantastic students and are trained to accurately recall whatever they hear OR excel at the art of synopsis. So no recording devices are necessary except the one/s inside your noggin.

Wait, I hope they are trying to control that as well.

@Matt Carey

At that same AutismOne where Ken was ejected by uniformed police, Jamie Bernstein was also ejected.

@MO’B re: Antioxidants

There are some diseases that are associated with free oxygen radicals, but excessive antioxidants (e.g., certain vitamins, like vitamin E) can lead to an increased risk of cancer. SBM has some posts about anti-oxidants, like this one.

And, in order to crush her work on autism (why? just because it’s environmental?) they went out and showed that her work on CFS/ME was wrong?

It was all the same thing. Pubmed turns up nothing by her on autism.

” So no recording devices are necessary except the one/s inside your noggin.

Wait, I hope they are trying to control that as well.”

One’s brain is not the same before entering and after exiting AutOne…just sayin.

@mho, #26

I don’t believe your nurse with the egg allergy story. I have been getting immunotherapy (allergy shots) at a major medical center for years and they regularly immunize kids there who have egg allergy with an alternate procedure. They also require staff to be immunized–no mask option.

Oops–I see that someone at #49 already addressed egg allergy, well, now I’m sure that your nurse was only trying to get you to accept her non fax status by LYING.

In a case similar to the First Nations child there is an inquest into the death of an Australian girl whose parents decided her liver cancer could be treated with natural therapies. The parents claimed it was what their child wanted – though, naturally, to their 11 year old, the idea of her hair falling out was the worst consequence she could imagine. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-15/tamar-stitt-mother-opted-for-natural-therapies-to-treat-cancer/5455222

Polly Noble died this week in the UK. Other than rare mentions of the mainstream therapies she undertook, buried deep under pages of woo on her blog, she gave no indications recently in that or in all her social media of the dire progression of her disease. Even those closest to her were kept in the dark –
“Her mother Georgie Noble, 63, said today: ‘She was a beautiful, vivacious person who worked hard to put her message across. I don’t think she realised just how many people’s lives she touched.’
Speaking of her last days, Mr Noble added: ‘It got to the stage a couple of weeks ago where they said the chemo isn’t working.
‘To inspire others to live a happier and healthier life and to do everything in their power to achieve this in every moment so they can live a life they love’
– Polly Noble’s ‘mission statement’ written after she was diagnosed with cancer
‘A scan showed she had six tumours in her liver, one being 7cm wide and she didn’t have those in December. It was such a shock, we didn’t realise she had it that badly.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2626537/Heartbroken-Katherine-Jenkins-pays-touching-tribute-best-friend-Polly-Noble-lost-battle-cancer.html#ixzz31wXwDA36

In meter-exploding irony, Jessica Ainscough also expressed shock at her death. Extreme denialism at its worst.

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