The Disneyland measles outbreak continues apace, and a woman refuses quarantine

“My thoughts have changed because of colleges requiring MMR”
Is that supposed to be new? I got what was my 4th dose of measles vaccine when I attended grad school in a new state and didn’t bring my childhood records… in 1990. It might not have been MMR specifically, but I also suspect colleges don’t care if your vaccines were given all in one or as multiple shots.

The “too soon” arguments are hilarious to me. My son was born at 25 weeks gestation, and although we adjust for his prematurity for all his developmental milestones, he gets his vaccinations on the schedule based on his age since birth. There were a few delays on his first round in the NICU (if I remember correctly, he was going through a bout of pneumonia at the time), but he got his first shots when he was around, or maybe even less than, 4 pounds.

The 2 vaccinations I was most relieved for him to get were his first pertussis shot and his first MMR. We’re lucky in that he’s escaped many complications of prematurity, but he has some residual lung issues that he basically has to outgrow. Although it’s not a vaccination, I’m also very relieved he was eligible for Synagis this winter.

It’s interesting that Dr. Jay would choose to delay vaccination until 3+, when there is evidence that delaying the first dose of MMR can increase the risk of febrile seizures. Granted, the study showing this cut off at 23 months, so the risk may decrease sometime after this period, but in anti-vaccine land, isn’t the merest suggestion of risk enough to say it’s too risky?

While Jay Gordon’s “thoughts have changed” (this appears to be part of an effort to portray his critics as stubbornly dogmatic), his overall antivax blather remains remarkably consistent.

Speaking of coffee spewing-inducing hilarious mischaracterizations, NN’s Mike Adams has now referred to Sherri Tenpenny as a “brilliant scientific researcher” under siege by the Australian “vaccine mafia”.

@LouV – it is a standard line in the anti-vax playbook, that the “would be happy to quarantine themselves if they were ever exposed or sick.”

As you point out, once that is put to the test, the anti-vaxxer routinely fails.

LouV, the woman who has been asked to self-quarantine was exposed to a confirmed measles case. She is not vaccinated against measles and refuses MMR vaccine. She will either self quarantine or a court order will be issued. She might also face criminal penalties, according to California State law:

http://www.ncsl.org/research/health/state-quarantine-and-isolation-statutes.aspx

Shay, I don’t recall a measles outbreak where an unvaccinated contact refused self-quarantine, but I do recall active TB cases who refused treatment and quarantine in a hospital, being picked up by police officers and brought to the County hospital with a guard 24/7 until three consecutive sputum specimens were negative for TB bacilli.

“She’s not even sick…”

There, dear friends, is why the way we do quarantines in the United States (and many other parts of the world) don’t work. It’s not that we can’t hold someone against their will. It’s not that we shouldn’t. It’s just that both sides refuse to talk to each other in a sensible way. They scream past each other.

The health officer themselves should go to this woman’s home, explain measles thoroughly (bring drawings if necessary) and explain to her why the quarantine order can and will be issued. Included in that explanation would be the fact that antivaxxers have done their best to reduce herd immunity, and more people are at risk of measles (and bad outcomes from measles) than ever before.

Issuing quarantine orders from an office and to an uninformed public is a perfect way to make sure those orders are not followed.

Johanna — so sorry to hear that. My condolences.

Johanna, I’m so sorry to hear what you are going through and condolences to you and your other family members.

@Johanna:

I hear you! The one year I skipped the flu vaccine (yes, I know it was stupid) I got the full blown flu. It turned into pneumonia. I was not hospitalized, but I should have been. I was very sick, and almost choked to death on a mucous plug. It scared the living daylights out of me; I’ve gotten the flu shot every year since (and the one year I got it late in the season, I got the flu and pneumonia again).

It is so frustrating listening to people blather on nonsense about vaccines. They save lives. They save money: people who don’t get sick, or their kids don’t get sick, are able to go to work!

Employers would save far more money by encouraging vaccination of workers and their children, and allowing workers to take time off when they or their kids are sick. They save money in lost productivity in the long run.

@Eric: I was thinking the very same thing. I can’t understand why the Medical Boards aren’t cracking down on this kind of crap.

Johanna I’d like to extend my condolences for the losses of your family members.

– lilady

Where does Dr Jay get ” safer to give it after three years”?

@Denice Walter

Probably from a misreading of the Hooker paper and the whole CDCWhistleblower nonsense. Of course, he ignores that the Hooker paper cut off before age 3, so he has no real data upon which to base his conclusion that it is safer.

Not that I think there is still measles floating around Disneyland or anything (or maybe there is again? Maybe it’s the hot new destination for “measles parties” or whatever) but if I’m vaxxed but pregnant, then I should be covered, right? I know I had to stay away from a relative with shingles recently…

As a child in the 1960s, I never received the MMR because of certain, life-threatening allergies I had. I had all the other necessary vaccinations, but not that one.

At the age of 22 years, I contracted German measles from a neighbour’s child who’s parents did not “believe” in vaccinations. I nearly died. And, just over Christmas this year (I’m 53 years old now), I got the mumps from my youngest nephews, who’s mother is very anti-vax. I had several days of agonising pain. It was horrible.

So, I would like to ask those parents who refuse to vaccinate, WHY on earth would you risk your child’s life like that? And why would you allow your child to go through such pain when it could be so easily avoided?

The Measles count in CA is up to 28:
http://www.cdph.ca.gov/HealthInfo/discond/Pages/Measles.aspx

And it will probably be rising. I don’t think these folks have been counted yet, although their visit to a San Diego area urgent care center shut the facility down for several hours:
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2015/jan/14/measles-rees-stealy-sharp/

I do not understand how someone like Dr Jay or Dr Bob can stand back and fail to see his role in this outbreak.

So I see the problem – and agree quarantine laws should come with salary coverage and job security guarantees, much like jury service. They’re still needed and important.

I have a problem with this as wilfully rejecting a prevention such as vaccination should not be rewarded with a paid holiday. On the other hand, I’d hate to see those who can’t be vaccinated or some other valid reason having to be quarantined lose their jobs or pay just for dumb luck. Jury duty is just that and I don’t see the comparison.

This is going to provide an interesting exercise in just how conscientious these anti-vaxxers really are in accepting the consequences of their actions.

Of course, Dr Jay states he had abandoned the recommended vaccine schedule by 1980 and that he did so due to parental anecdotes that they’d noticed changes in their children following vaccination, long before DeStefano published (2004) and Hooker tortured the DeStefano’s data set (2014).

There’s a confirmed measles case in Colorado, where a woman exposed multiple people in a hospital emergency room. So far, every one of the people who have been identified as either unvaccinated or uncertain about their vaccine status, has agreed to self-quarantine.

http://gazette.com/several-in-el-paso-county-quarantined-due-to-measles-exposure/article/1544540

<.Iquarantine laws should come with salary coverage and job security guarantees, much like jury service

Laws may differ in your state, but while you are protected from job loss due to jury duty (under contempt of court penalty for your employer), not all employers in all states will cover your lost salary. Where I live, jurors are paid a nominal amount per day of service, plus a mileage allowance for those who do not live in the same municipality as the courthouse. The nominal amount is well below minimum wage.

The sensible policy would be for the employee to use sick leave to cover the quarantine period. But too many Americans get no sick leave at all, and of those who do, many don’t have enough to cover that scenario. And yes, there is potential for abuse by people who voluntarily refuse vaccination. OTOH, there are people who legitimately cannot be vaccinated, as well as diseases (such as Ebola) for which there is no vaccine. People in those two categories definitely don’t deserve to risk job loss over possible exposure to some disease.

@Eric Lund: I completely agree with all you said.

I want to give every anti-vaxxer a copy of one of my favorite books from when I was a kid. It shouldn’t offend; it’s a classic children’s book by perhaps the greatest children’s book writer of all time: Doctor Seuss. The book is the “The King’s Stilts”. Like other early works of his, it’s in prose rather than verse, and like the two Bartholemew Cubbins books, it’s about a little boy and a king. It’s a great story about sticking to your guns, about power plays, about the importance of play, about the importance of duty, and about loyalty. But it also features a measles quarantine scene. 😉

(and yes, in case you’re wondering, that was a dig at PGP).

Yep. AV’ers scream, “But, but we’d stay home if we were at risk.”

Yet when push comes to shove, “OMG WHY U PICK ON ME?!?!?!?”

IMO if she’s not willing to self-quarantine, incarcerate her in solitary. Then she’ll have something to b!tch about.

@Johanna:

(so, yeah, I’ve got baggage)

We all have baggage. Some of us are just more honest about it than others. I’m extremely sorry to hear about your recent losses.

@sadmar

I think Dr. Jay understands the science perfectly well.

You are assuming facts not in evidence.

I think Dr. Jay intentionally misrepresents the science.

This, however, is true. But it is not necessary to understand the science in order to misrepresent it.

And BTW, if you wish your comments to be read in full, I recommend learning brevity.

Pneumonia is a “moderate” complication? In that case, my brother would like the missing 10% of his lung capacity back.

Johanna – I am deeply sorry for your loss.

As to the quarantine situation, for the person in quarantine it sucks. If you look at the laws, most of the (usually rather broad) quarantine powers enjoyed by PH officials were written a long (long) time ago. They give us the power to enforce a quarantine but they were written before the whole salary/compensation thing came about. And yes, they can be deeply burdensome. However, they are important. Most of us don’t like serving jury duty, but we go because its our responsibility. I don’t think anyone would like to be quarantined but we do it because we don’t want to expose someone who could get sick and die from the illness. Unfortunately this woman is barking up the wrong tree. The authorities have the right to lock her up and enforce mandatory quarantine. And having spent my entire career in PH I know for a fact NO ONE likes to have to do this. Its awful for the person involved, its awful for the PH staff to have to order it, its a PR nightmare, and quite frankly its the last resort. We always try to educate before this point. I don’t know of any situation that has progressed to mandatory quarantine where PH nurses haven’t spent literally hours on the phone or often in person explaining why they are asking for a voluntary quarantine and why it is necessary. Unfortunately, even after all of this you get the few who flat refuse to inconvenience themselves. And then you have to be the bad guy and order them locked up and it sucks. I agree I don’t think anyone should lose their job, and I think they should continue to get paid (particularly for something like TB or measles where you can be in quarantine for a while).

To the pregnant lady up thread – (as a fellow pregnant lady) when you have your first OB visit the blood draw they use to look for immunity should have included measles. So they should have an antibody titer on file, or you can get one. Unless I am dead wrong but I don’t think I am they won’t give you an MMR while pregnant as it’s a live attenuated vaccine. If you are exposed they can give you IG. But hopefully you will be immune. But if you were exposed I would still talk to OB ASAP.

••I think Dr. Jay understands the science perfectly well.••
“You are assuming facts not in evidence.”

If you wish your comments to be intelligent, I recommend learning the difference between an assumption of facts and an argument of inference based on known facts — which requires several logical steps, supported by exemplary evidence, and cannot be reduced into a simplistic bon mot that you would apparently find brief enough to read and attempt to comprehend.

There’s a huge number of comments on this thread, but it proves that Dr. Jay Gordon is a pathological liar, who claims that the varicella vaccine was available in the United States twenty years before it was licensed by the FDA. See my comment here addressed to Brian Deer and follow Dr. Jay’s comments, even after it was proven by me and other posters that varicella vaccine was not available under a “compassionate use” protocol for children with cancer, who were immune suppressed, during the mid 1970s.

https://www.respectfulinsolence.com/2013/04/18/andrew-wakefield-wants-a-live-public-televised-debate-oh-goody/#comment-253196

@ lilady:

Oh those were the days!
How well I remember when he called me a racist or suchlike.
He wanted to share some wine with you even after arguing with you.

Dr Jay is an *interesting* person indeed. I sort of miss him.

According to the Seattle Times, the woman who came to our area spent time at:
• Bethany at Pacific (in Providence Everett Medical Center), 916 Pacific Ave., Everett: Dec. 30, 1-7 p.m.
• Anthony’s Home Port, 456 Admiral Way, Edmonds: Dec. 30, 8 p.m.- midnight
• Swedish Edmonds emergency room, 76th Avenue West, Edmonds: Jan. 1, 2:45-6:30 p.m.

To me this suggests she was ill enough to seek medical attention twice, but still went out to fancy dinner? Granted this was before news stories about measles at Disneyland came out, but so much for “if we’re sick we’ll stay home.”

What’s actually curious is how few measles epidemics seem to have originated at Disneyland. The annual attendance is more than 16 million, and has been at least 10 million every year since 1991. Looking at the breakdown in terms of areas of California and other states, I would guess that the cases are about representative of relative visitorship, in that families close to the park are more likely to have annual passes, or at the least, can visit without a long distance trip. the news stories don’t go into these questions. The causation issue is complicated by the fact that antivaccine families and population density seem to go in parallel.

I’ll leave it to the people who know more about infectious diseases and about epidemiology, but I wonder why there haven’t been hundreds of cases over the past few years, since there have probably been many thousands of unvaccinated people going through Disneyland, and probably a considerable number of tourists from overseas who have been infectious.

Bob G: I’ve been reviewing in my mind most of the advisories that have been issued by local and State health departments about measles exposures in large venues. The majority of those outbreaks were eventually traced back to a non vaccinated United States resident (usually a child), who traveled with his/her family to a measles-endemic area of the world, became infected there and arrived home to infect other non vaccinated individuals.

I’ll simply observe that Jay Gordon is the one who motivated the creation of the acronym FIFUDOS: Functionally Indistinguishable From Utterly Dishonest Or Stupid. We can’t look into Jay’s mind to determine what his “major malfunction” in fact is, but I submit that it doesn’t really matter. If we expect him to act in a way appropriate to an intelligent and honest pediatrician with an actual grasp of real medicine, he will let us down. I’m not sure the actual reason matters, although if Jay ever faces a jury trial, those twelve good men and women may have to wrestle with the question.

Your post at #71 inspired this acrostic……

A is for Alluring, so attractive -NOT
N is for Noble, self-sacrificing-NOT
T is for Tolerant, endless patience-NOT
A is for Awesome, a most inspiring person-NOT
E is for Enchanting, most alluring-NOT
U is for Useful, a great helping hand-NOT
S is for Sincere, staying true-NOT

@ toto

Here is what I want, cited only by the involved State Departments of Health

Go get them yourselves and enlighten us.

Actually, please move to “amishland”, as you suggest. And don’t forget they don’t like computers and internet (or so I have heard)
This way, you will get the health security you wish and we will get a break.

@sadmar

••I think Dr. Jay understands the science perfectly well.••
“You are assuming facts not in evidence.”

If you wish your comments to be intelligent, I recommend learning the difference between an assumption of facts and an argument of inference based on known facts

Let’s break things down a little. “I think” implies that you are making an assumption that “Dr. Jay understands the science perfectly well.” That last bit is a statement of fact. And you inferred that statement of fact from other assumptions about Dr. Jay. To paraphrase Game of Thrones, you know nothing, sadmar.

— which requires several logical steps, supported by exemplary evidence, and cannot be reduced into a simplistic bon mot that you would apparently find brief enough to read and attempt to comprehend.

Thanks for the insult. Now, if you’re down being all high-and-mighty, you might look back to my comment on brevity as what it was: advice. If a blog comment is extraordinarily long, as yours tend to be, they are less likely to be read. If you are a writer, then I assume you want your comments to be read. If people are not reading due to the length, then you are not writing as well as you could. So again, learn brevity. If you want to write walls of text, start your own blog.

C’mon, Todd. To paraphrase a quote attributed to any number of famous authors, if sadmar had the time, he’d write shorter posts.

Personally, I pretty much always skip ’em. “TLDNR”.

http://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/measles-virus-vs-cancer-mayo-clinic-radio-2/
Any connection?

@ palindrom #79
“if sadmar had the time, he’d write shorter posts.”

Exactly! (not kidding) You know, I’ve done a lot of work and teaching in motion picture editing, and in film-style cutting you start with everything shot as being a potential part of the piece, and then begin a long process of throwing things out. You go though the rushes, put all the potentially usable takes in one bin, then put them all together in sequence — camera start to camera stop, multiple takes of same shot — in what’s called an “assembly”. Then, step-by-step, you whittle it down into what’s called a “rough cut” which is coherent enough to make some kind of sense, and guide useful discussions, but is still way-too-long.

Every motion picture editor knows the phrase “I didn’t have time to make it shorter” as one of the defining maxims of the art.

Legendary filmmaking teacher Sandy Mackendrick once wrote, “Student films come in three sizes: too long, much too long, and very much too long.” An over-generalization, of course, but true enough, enough of the time.

And, yes, I my comments would be shorter if I had more time…

@ Helianthus #75

@ toto
Actually, please move to “amishland”, as you suggest. And don’t forget they don’t like computers and internet (or so I have heard)

Yeah, actually you’ve heard wrong. The Amish don’t use the Net themselves for the same reasons they don’t use land line phones or connect to the electrical grid or any other public utilities: the command to “be not of The World” and maintain a separate community. They’re not, as often imagined, opposed to technology per se. How “be not of The World” relates to any technology varies from one congregation to another. The Amish have no church hierarchy at all, no common set of rules, no written decrees beyond The Bible. E.g. many Amish have modern kitchen and laundry appliances, they just run off LP gas. Most could generate their own electricity without ruffling the Bishop’s feathers, though they prefer not too (generators being noisy, among other things). Amish manufacturing shops have a full complement of power tools powered by compressed air. A computer would probably be OK if used strictly for pragmatic business purposes — keeping inventory, doing the books, etc. — and didn’t have to be plugged into a wall socket. Though they don’t use the Internet, they like the Internet as a means to promote and sell their wares. They simply have to hire someone to handle their on-line distribution (usually a modernized Mennonite).

This actually helps the Amish with a bind. They need to sell stuff to “The English” (all non-plain Americans), but tourists put them in too much wordly contact, create demand for commercial and housing development that eats up farm land, and so on. The last thing they need is for toto to move there.

And toto probably wouldn’t like the food.

Amish food typically is very filling, and not low-fat. …pot pies, butter noodles, chicken corn soup, bologna, chipped beef gravy, apple butter, scrapple, snitz pie…

The Mickey D’s in Lancaster County have reserved parking for buggies, as does the Super Wal-Mart on the East edge of Lancaster. While the Amish may have some religious issues with conventional medical practice, I have never met or heard of an Amishman into any sort of woo. You could do a whole series of SNL sketches on an Amishman wandering into a Reiki practice, or a vegan superfood and supplement store, or talking to a homeopath — pulling his beard in confusion, then just shaking his head “Crazy those English! And so hochmut!”
It’d be hilarious, but you might have had to have lived in PA to get the gags.

I find it remarkable that NO ONE can answer all of the questions I posted in #72. With all of the blathering posts about the Disneyland story, I ASSUMED YOU KNEW THE ANSWERS TO THESE MOST BASIC, SCIENTIFIC, LOGICAL QUESTIONS. On what factual evidence do you base your opinions?

At least LouV had the integrity to attempt to put some of the information out there. Even so, it is still inadequate.

It seems that CDPH only lists CONFIRMED measles cases from 2008-2012. Importantly, it is listed by county of residence or county where case was identified. Someone visiting Disneyland from out of state who returned home before measles appeared, would not be in such a count.
Here are the totals:

* 2008 – 17 cases
* 2009 – 9 cases
* 2010 – 27 cases
* 2011 – 30 cases
* 2012 – 8 cases
http://www.cdph.ca.gov/programs/immunize/Documents/VPD-DiseaseSummary2012.pdf p.40

An interesting pattern. Looks like 2013 and 2014 should expect a jump in cases.

@BobG – when you are talking epidemiology of an outbreak it is mostly luck we haven’t had more measles in this country with declines in herd immunity. As for Disneyland, that ship is still sailing. Since this outbreak has involved a whopping number of completely unvaccinated cases, which we know from studying it tend to cluster, I would be very surprised if there aren’t more cases. Probably a lot more cases. Given the unfortunate realities in CA, this could be the one that slides us back into endemic measles again. Something everyone in PH has been fearing since the rise of the anti-vaccine movement and the falling vaccination rates. Then we too can be back in the same boat as Europe where they are struggling to this day to put that genie back in the bottle. And it is only a matter of time until someone dies. That breaks my heart.

@Toto above. The vast majority of cases in this outbreak have been unvaccinated or too young to vaccinate. I think you are trying to make a pedantic point that most anti-vaccine proponents try to make that the vaccine is not effective. It is. As to deaths, there have been none (yet) but several cases have been treated in the hospital. This is not a trivial illness and costs to those affected and those in PH who are investigating aggressively is enormous. If you want more numbers you can find them yourself online.

Sadmar:

If you used the time to write one short comment instead of three long ones, more people would read them. Otherwise, you’re assuming that my time (as a reader) is less valuable than yours (as a writer) , and that I will agree with you and spend more time on your comments so you don’t have to.

I edit for money, and very occasionally for free for my mother. It’s work.

@sadmar

I guess you missed my post from an earlier blog post on the same subject. Here is the source of “Amishland”:

DEATH BY CHICKENPOX VS DEATH BY CAR CRASH:

“This study found that from 1990 through 2001, 1,465 death records listed chickenpox as the cause or a CONTRIBUTING cause of death. Chickenpox-related deaths averaged 145 per year from 1990 through 1994 (before the vaccine was licensed)”
http://www.immunizationinfo.org/science/decline-chickenpox-deaths

IN 2001 ALONE, THERE WERE A REPORTED 37,862 DEATHS FROM MOTOER VEHICLE CRASHES.
http://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/Main/index.aspx

My advice to fearful pro-vaxxers:
STAY OUT OF CARS AT ALL COSTS!
The only truly safe people to be around are the UNVACCINATED AMISH!

@GF:

Disney is likely losing serious business with this outbreak.

Or not:

“Despite the measles outbreak, a Disneyland Resort spokesperson, who didn’t want to be identified, said that they haven’t seen a drop in attendance.”

It’s not as though the disease arose spontaneously.

@Kiiri:

@Toto above. The vast majority of cases in this outbreak have been unvaccinated or too young to vaccinate. I think you are trying to make a pedantic point….

Toto doesn’t engage in “trying to make points,” it just shrieks idiotically to itself.

Did someone mention supplements?

Amish compared to non-Amish adults reported 1) taking significantly (P < 0.05) more supplements [mean number of daily products by Amish males (3.5 ± 3.7) and females (5.2 ± 4.3) vs. non-Amish males (1.4 ± 1.3) and females (3.0 ± 3.2)]; 2) taking significantly (P < 0.05) more vitamins, minerals, fiber supplements (females only), and enzymes (females only); 3) taking significantly (P < 0.01) more herbal supplements (approximately 55% and 71% of Amish males and females vs. 17% and 23% of non-Amish males and females, respectively)….

The state has also modified the table to distinguish between the Disneyland-linked cases vs others.

@Kiiri #89
Are you an alter ego for Bob?
Obviously your opinions are NOT based COMPLETE verified scientific data.
WORTHLESS.

*When someone refuses MMR vaccination, and gets the measles, it is a NATURAL ILLNESS, unless they were exposed to the virus from a vaccinated individual:
CASE OF VACCINE-ASSOCIATED MEASLES FIVE WEEKS POST-IMMUNISATION, BRITISH COLUMBIA, CANADA, OCTOBER 2013
“…Therefore, the combination of classic measles symptoms, detection of measles vaccine virus and reactive measles IgM, and lack of evidence of an alternative illness explanation, were highly suggestive of MEASLES-VACCINE ASSOCIATED ILLNESS.

Heightened surveillance and awareness of measles because of the ongoing outbreak likely contributed to the identification of this case. Although this is the first such reported case, it likely represents the existence of additional, but unidentified, exceptions to the typical timeframe for measles vaccine virus shedding and illness. Such cases have important public health implications for the investigation of measles clusters because while there is uncertainty about case classification (wild-type vs vaccine-type), case and contact management should proceed as if for wild-type to prevent secondary transmission. In this case, uncertainty from the presence of a measles outbreak, symptom onset on day 37 after MMR vaccine administration, and a two-week period between the RT-PCR findings and genotype determination, resulted in the initially reasonable presumption that this was a wild-type measles case and subsequent resource-intense follow-up of contacts. Awareness of the frequency of such exceptions to the typical measles timeframe and improving the timeliness of measles vaccine virus genotyping could help focus public health resources on cases of wild-type measles. Further investigation is needed on the upper limit of measles vaccine virus SHEDDING based on increased sensitivity of the RT-PCR-based detection technologies and the immunological factors associated with vaccine-associated measles illness and virus shedding.”
http://www.eurosurveillance.org/ViewArticle.aspx?ArticleId=20649

*If anyone receiving 1 measles vaccine gets the measles, it is vaccine failure or vaccine-associated measles.

*If anyone receiving 2 measles vaccines gets the measles, it is vaccine failure or vaccine-associated measles.

*Any child that did not get a measles vaccine because they are < 1 yr. but got the measles, it is a NATURAL ILLNESS, unless they were exposed to the virus from a vaccinated individual.

@Chemmomo
“The San Diego County health department issued a statement yesterday (linked by someone else above) that 9 of the 10 local cases are unvaccinated”
I can’t find any official statement on this. Please give link.

Also, how do they define “unvaccinated”?
If they have received one MMR shot, they are “vaccinated”.
Also, those who are “unvaccinated” by choice should not be counted with infants under 1 year. This has been used to inflate the numbers to stigmatize those who have a greater risk of long term harm from the vaccine versus a case of measles.

Remember, vaccines can cause measles:
“Eurosurveillance, Volume 18, Issue 49, 05 December 2013
Rapid communications
CASE OF VACCINE-ASSOCIATED MEASLES FIVE WEEKS POST-IMMUNISATION, BRITISH COLUMBIA, CANADA, OCTOBER 2013”
http://www.eurosurveillance.org/ViewArticle.aspx?ArticleId=20649

I find it unremarkable that NO ONE among the erudite regular commenters finds it worth their time to engage in pointless troll-feeding.

When even bots lose interest, it’s pretty much over.

OOPS CDC!
“Note: Genotype identification by a WHO reference laboratory (CDC or a public health laboratory that has validated their measles virus sequence analysis) is required to distinguish wild type from vaccine strain if vaccinated within 18 DAYS of RASH onset.”
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/surv-manual/chpt07-measles.html

“In this report we describe a case of measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine-associated measles illness that was positive by both PCR and IgM, FIVE WEEKS after administration of the MMR vaccine. Based on our literature review, we BELIEVE this is the first such case report which has implications for both public health follow-up of measles cases and vaccine safety surveillance.”
Date of submission: 15 November 2013
Eurosurveillance, Volume 18, Issue 49, 05 December 2013
Rapid communications
CASE OF VACCINE-ASSOCIATED MEASLES FIVE WEEKS POST-IMMUNISATION, BRITISH COLUMBIA, CANADA, OCTOBER 2013
http://www.eurosurveillance.org/ViewArticle.aspx?ArticleId=20649

A handy cover for vaccine “associated” measles.
Layman’s terms: This baby got the measles from the vaccine. It happened to occur at the same time of a measles “outbreak”. Hmmmm. PERHAPS THE VACCINE-CAUSED CASE STARTED THE OUTBREAK?

“Common side effects from the MMR vaccine include low-grade fever, skin rash, itching, hives, swelling, reddening of skin, and weakness. Reported serious adverse reactions following MMR vaccination include SEIZURES, BRAIN INFLAMMATION and ENCEPHALOPATHY; thrombocytopenia; joint, muscle and nerve pain; GASTROINTESTINAL DISORDERS; MEASLES-LIKE RASH; conjunctivitis and other serious health problems.”
http://vran.org/in-the-news/measles-what-health-officials-arent-telling-you/

Well, there you go. Looks like the “unvaccinated” at the theme park came home with life-long measles immunity:

“According to ACIP recommendations, most persons born in 1956 or earlier are likely to have been infected with measles naturally and generally need not be considered susceptible.”
M-M-R® II
(MEASLES, MUMPS, and RUBELLA VIRUS VACCINE LIVE) Vaccine insert.
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM123789.pdf p.3

I don’t know who Judith is, but I like her informed post:

Judith lol • 8 months ago
“No I didn’t try to prevent the measles – the children have a lifetime immunity. Vitamin A, Vitamin D sunshine, healthy diet and it was no worse than a cold for them. They won’t have to regularly have a vaccine containing Bovine calf serum, dibasic potassium phosphate, dibasic sodium phosphate, human albumin, human serum albumin, hydrolyzed gelatin, monobasic potassium phosphate, monosodium L-glutamate, MRC-5 cellular protein, neomycin, sodium bicarbonate, sorbitol, sucrose, potassium chloride and grown in aborted foetal cells. Also because only 1 – 5% of all adverse reactions are reported they may have avoided the following reactions:

In decreasing order of severity, without regard to causality, within each body system category and have been reported during clinical trials, with use of the marketed vaccine, or with use of monovalent or bivalent vaccine containing measles, mumps, or rubella:
Panniculitis; atypical measles; fever; syncope; headache; dizziness; malaise; irritability.Vasculitis.Pancreatitis; diarrhea; vomiting; parotitis; nausea. Diabetes mellitus.Thrombocytopenia (see WARNINGS, Thrombocytopenia); purpura; regional lymphadenopathy;leukocytosis.Anaphylaxis and anaphylactoid reactions have been reported as well as related phenomena such as angioneurotic edema (including peripheral or facial edema) and bronchial spasm in individuals with or without an allergic history Arthritis; arthralgia; myalgia. Encephalitis; encephalopathy; measles inclusion body encephalitis (MIBE) (see CONTRAINDICATIONS); subacute sclerosing panencephalitis (SSPE); Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS); acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (ADEM); febrile convulsions; afebrile convulsions or seizures; ataxia; polyneuritis; polyneuropathy; ocular palsies; paresthesia.”

http://www.merck.com/product/u…

Note for those outside of California: the LA Times count includes all 16 cases in Orange County (the state has only reported 12 as of yesterday), and the table on the state site separates out Long Beach and Pasadena from Los Angeles, while all three cities are in LA County (8 cases total).

Thanks Chris – it didn’t occur to me that no one wants to scroll up past Toto’s nonsense to get the previous link.

There is a link in the third paragraph of the post to the State site, but you have to click a second link at the bottom of that article (“More information about measles can be found on the CDPH website”) to get to the page with the tables of cases.

I love the way people like Toto seize upon an exceptionally rare case of vaccine-derived measles as a possible cause of an outbreak, when wild measles is far more virulent and far more dangerous. When their misinformation campaigns have the expected and presumably desired results of reducing vaccine coverage and allowing outbreaks, antivaxxers don’t accept any responsibility, they still try to blame it on the vaccine.

Similarly the rare side effects of the vaccine are anathema but the far more common and severe sequelae of measles itself are a mere “rite of passage”. I’m impressed (also a little concerned) by the mental contortions this must require.

@Chris, Chemmomo, Darwy, Krebiozen, herr doktor bimler
I’m still waiting for you to post the individual stats on one page, with links to the appropriate state health department.
PUT UP OR SH## UP.

“Here is what I want, cited only by the involved State Departments of Health:

As of January 15, 2015
*Total number of CONFIRMED cases of measles only, of individuals visiting Disneyland between December 15 and December 20, 2014.

*Total number of CONFIRMED cases of measles w/ 2 MMR vaccines CONFIRMED in individuals visiting Disneyland between December 15 and December 20, 2014.

*Total number of CONFIRMED cases of measles w/ 1 MMR vaccine CONFIRMED in individuals visiting Disneyland between December 15 and December 20, 2014

*Total number of CONFIRMED cases of measles with no MMR vaccine CONFIRMED in individuals visiting Disneyland between December 15 and December 20, 2014.

*Total number of CONFIRMED cases of measles with no MMR vaccine and under 12 mos. of age CONFIRMED in individuals visiting Disneyland between December 15 and December 20, 2014.
Please link to source.

*Total number of cases listed above, who were hospitalized.
*Total number of cases listed above who are still in the hospital.
*Total number of cases listed above who died.
*Total number of CONFIRMED measles cases for California in 2014.
*Total number of CONFIRMED measles cases for California in 2013.
Thank you”

Here is the type of data collected on each Disney/measles case:

“Information to collect
The following data are epidemiologically important and should be collected in the course of case investigation. Additional information also may be collected at the direction of the state health department.

Demographic information
Name
Address
Date of birth
Age
Sex
Ethnicity
Race

Country of birth
If not born in the United States, length of time in the United States

Reporting source
County
Date frst reported

Clinical
Symptoms onset date; including date of rash onset
Prodromal symptoms (i.e., cough, coryza, conjunctivitis, fever [note highest temperature])
Rash duration
Rash presentation
Symptoms
Hospitalizations
Complications
Outcome (case survived or died)
Date of death
Results of postmortem examination
Death certifcate diagnoses
Laboratory
Serological test results
Virus isolation tests: type of specimen, date of collection of specimen for PCR and culture
Vaccination status (including postexposure prophylaxis)
Number of doses of measles vaccine received
Dates of measles vaccinations
Name of manufacturer
Lot numbers of vaccines
If not vaccinated, reason
Epidemiological
Transmission setting (e.g., household, school, health care setting, event)
Source of infection (e.g., age, vaccination status, relationship to case, contact with probable or confrmed case, or contact with immigrants or travelers, or international travel)
Import status (indigenous, international import, or out-of-state import, linked or traceable to an international importations)
Residency (e.g., Did the case reside in the U.S.?)
Travel history in the three weeks prior to symptom onset
Number of contacts
Postexposure prophylaxis (including whether measles immunoglobulin was administered, with dates of administration)”
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/surv-manual/chpt07-measles.html

If the 51 cases are “confirmed”, there will now be 51 individuals with “natural” immunity to future cases of measles. Lets track the “unvaccinated” cases and see if they get autism, autoimmune diseases, or a second case of measles.
CDC, THIS IS A GREAT CASE STUDY GROUP.!
Let’s get Dr. William Thompson and Dr. Hooker to head up the study. Then we know it would be legit. DR. GERBERDING: PLEASE DO NOT FUND THIS STUDY. Thank you.

HDB @118.

That deserves at least a golf clap. Well played, sir.

Toto–

How much are you prepared to pay for the research you’re requesting?

Some of that information is available, but sorting and collating it in the form you want, rather than the form that it’s been published in, looks tedious and time-consuming. That you could probably get, if you were willing to pay for it.

Other bits are likely protected by federal law (HIPAA), and some of the information may not have been kept because it’s no longer relevant, if it ever was. I would be astonished if anyone knew the lot numbers for my measles vaccines, for example; they may have been recorded at the time, but the most recent was thirty years ago, and I very much doubt the student health service still has that paperwork.

As a matter of fact, I am an expert on the news media and the way it handles scientific issues.

One interesting aspect of the Disneyland outbreak is that the initial accounts list one fully vaccinated person among the first group of cases. When you stop to think about it, this is kind of analogous with the way that false positive test results can overwhelm real positives for a condition in which there are a limited percentage of real positives. We are looking at a small percent of false positives or a small percent of vaccinated people who catch measles, but they represent a very large pool they are being drawn from. In the Disneyland outbreak, there were probably several hundred fully vaccinated (or old enough to have had measles in their youth) people who were exposed to patient zero. Maybe lots more, considering that some lines at Disneyland zigzag back and forth, putting opposing directions right next to each other. We are told that a small number of fully vaccinated people are less than fully immune, and what we have seen so far is that the percentage of actual cases of immunized people getting measles seems to be extremely low.

In other words, this may have been a real world experiment in which we find that the vaccine is actually pretty good, and that the fraction of people who don’t gain immunity from vaccination is really quite low, perhaps even lower than that one percent estimate that we keep reading. I’m not the expert on this topic, and I don’t know how good that 99 percent fully immune vs 1 percent failure rate actually is. Perhaps somebody here can make that more clear.

Saturday night Bible study: Interesting choices

9And the LORD spake unto Gad, David’s seer, saying, 10Go and tell David, saying, Thus saith the LORD, I offer thee three things: choose thee one of them, that I may do it unto thee. 11So Gad came to David, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Choose thee 12Either three years’ famine; or three months to be destroyed before thy foes, while that the sword of thine enemies overtaketh thee; or else three days the sword of the LORD, even the PESTILENCE, in the land, and the angel of the LORD destroying throughout all the coasts of Israel. Now therefore advise thyself what word I shall bring again to him that sent me. 13And David said unto Gad, I am in a great strait: let me fall now into the hand of the LORD; for very GREAT are his MERCIES: but LET ME NOT FALL INTO THE HAND OF MAN.” (Emphasis mine)
Judgment for David’s Sin
(2 Samuel 24:10-14)
http://biblehub.com/kjv/1_chronicles/21.htm

Bob G: I have the package insert for the current vaccine used in the United States (MMR II), and it provides the results of the multiple double blind field trials which were submitted to the FDA before licensing, which confirm the effectiveness of one dose of the MMR II vaccine and the effectiveness of the second dose of the MMR II vaccine.

http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM123789.pdf

My children, born in 1970 and 1976 received one dose of measles vaccine and when the CDC recommended the second dose of MMR vaccine, they received the second dose.

Let’s not forget there might be increased risk of transmission for many of the Disneyland attractions which are indoors. Reliable estimates put that risk at 90 % when an infected individual is in a small enclosed space with vaccine-naive individuals, such as a doctor’s waiting room or a hospital examination room. The virus is highy transmissible.

Krebiozen
#123

“Vaccination has resulted in a more than 99% fall in the incidence of measles.” Cite source. Irrelevant to Disneyland case.

“Falling vaccination rates result in outbreaks like the current one, which are a threat to the small percentage of the vaccinated who did not develop immunity as well as to the unvaccinated.”
Cite source. Irrelevant to Disneyland case.

“About 1% of those who are fully vaccinated against measles are still susceptible, so of course some of those that succumb will be fully vaccinated.” Cite source. Irrelevant to Disneyland case.

“That’s why keeping vaccination rates high is so important. When you add those who don’t develop immunity to those who refuse vaccination you end up with enough non-immune people to fuel an outbreak.”
Cite source. Irrelevant to Disneyland case.

“this shameful state of affairs”
What shameful state of affairs? Irrelevant to Disneyland case.

“antivaxxers bear some responsibility for this”
For what? Irrelevant to Disneyland case.

You haven’t given me the scientific data I requested. YOU ADMIT IGNORANCE REGARDING THE DISNEYLAND “OUTBREAK”
Your comments are WORTHLESS, without factual basis.

These scientists didn’t get it right in 1967 either. EPIC FAIL.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1919891/pdf/pubhealthreporig00027-0069.pdf

Two points. If you are not immunized and you are exposed to the measles virus, then herd immunity won’t protect you. Herd immunity is the characteristic that makes it less likely that you will be exposed from another sick person in the first place, and depends on the original sick person’s virions not being able to find a proper victim who will then transmit to you. If you are exposed, you will get the measles but if everyone around you is immunized, you are unlikely to pass the virus along, because there is no susceptible human within sneezing distance. That part involves herd immunity, because you won’t give the virus to the family next door, and they won’t give it to their neighbors on the other side, so you won’t start an epidemic of your own.

More television news: As we have heard, there are a couple of sisters in Pasadena, one of whom came down with the measles. At first, the other (non vaccinated) sister didn’t want to stay home under quarantine, but on the news tonight, she explained that she will stay around her home until the incubation period is over. The reason she gave the interviewer is that she has been getting all kinds of phone calls, and staying at home will protect her from being picked on. She made clear that being bullied is what caused her to be compliant.

I would call this a win for the public health service and the news media, and perhaps even a few doctors.

My takeaway from the case numbers so far: As a society, we are well into the high 90s for immunity in the whole population. It has to be this high, or else there would have been lots more measles cases in the first round of infection. I
I don’t know if this is the net result of lots of communities with high compliance and only a few upscale communities that push the rules, but our society is lucky to have as limited a first round as this one. My guess is that the vaccine is better than it has been given credit for. Another possibility is that kids who get the shot go on to shed attenuated active virus which is picked up by everyone around them and confers some immunity itself. I don’t think my pro-vaccine colleagues will necessarily like that scenario, and admittedly, the insert linked to above does’t offer a strong case that this happens.

Whooping Cough Outbreak Involved 90% VACCINATED Kids

“Vermont has declared a statewide epidemic of whooping cough that started in 2012 and has continued into the year 2013. To date there has been a total of 612 confirmed cases of pertussis of which 90% have been vaccinated against the bacteria with the Tdap vaccine. The New England Journal of Medicine released a study that parallels this outbreak showing that of the confirmed cases of whooping cough the majored of them, 80%, had received multiple Tdap vaccinations most receiving 5 or 6 doses. The mainstream media have decided the only way to prevent the spread of the bacteria is to have everyone get their vaccinations refusing to acknowledge the overwhelming connection between vaccinated patients and outbreak victims. These vaccines have managed to damage and weaken the immune systems of children and adults leading to epidemic levels of fully vaccinated people becoming sick and contagious.”
http://experimentalvaccines.org/2013/01/14/whooping-cough-outbreak-involved-90-vaccinated-kids/

UNBELIEVABLE!
Only 19 of 252 Pertussis cases in above Vermont outbreak had 0 doses of vaccine. 74 cases had 6 doses. 83 had 5 doses.
http://www.vaxchoicevt.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/vt-pertussis.jpg

Of course, this story was buried because vaccines are ALWAYS safe and effective.

Of course, this story was buried because vaccines are ALWAYS safe and effective.

Nope. We never said this.

Depending on the vaccine type, efficiency varies between 60-99%. More like 60% with some flu vaccines, more like 95% with measles vaccine.
For the curious reader looking for an explanation devoid of fallacies, the reason why the majority of sick people are vaccinated is because the unvaccinated people are a minority.

Take 1000 people. Give the vaccine to 990 of them.
Let’s say the vaccine is efficient at 90%
So you have:
10 non-vaccinated people.
99 vaccinated people for whose the vaccine didn’t work.
And 891 people protected by the vaccine.
If these 1000 people are infected by the pathogen the vaccine is protecting against, you will have the 10 non-vaccinated and the 99 vaccine-didn’t -take people getting sick.

In this theoretical example, 90% of people getting sick were vaccinated (99 over 109). But 90% of the vaccinated people didn’t get sick.
Numbers are fun, aren’t they? Without context, they are meaningless.

UNBELIEVABLE!

You lose.

Thanks to AoA and Rescue Post, we have this decision from the U.S. Court of Appeals, affirming a NY State Court ruling about vaccine exemptions where parents claimed a “sincere religious belief” against vaccinations.

Score (another) one for our team.

http://www.rescuepost.com/files/phillips_per-curium-opinion_01072015.pdf

Oh, and these three have been updated as well.

Remember, everybody in the U.S. get 15 free PACER dollars every quarter.* Install RECAP and take the advice of Joe Hill.

* With a $3 billing cap regardless of document size in many courts, including the Second Circuit.

“MMR vaccine and varicella vaccine should not be given to women who plan to become pregnant or who are pregnant.”

This means that women of reproductive age should never get the vaccine. If your “contraceptive” fails, you will have criminally infected your unborn child.

Is that what you advocate, Nolady?

@Narad
“Strange that those never appear anywhere.”
Paranoid, much? Kind’a like Candid Camera.

I can truthfully say that Orac saw the error of his ways and posted all my comments. No need to publicize.

BTW, here’s a good laugh:
Vaccinologist makes surprise visit to Candid Camera…

@Nolady
“My children, born in 1970 and 1976”
There’s the source of your ignorance. Your two weren’t guinea pigs for the 1986 – 2000 “Age of Autism” vaccine schedule. Untested, full of mercury as never before, more injected viruses than ever before, abominable results, coverup.
Sit this one out, old hag. You are clueless about what happened to many of these children.

@Hellianthus
‘”Of course, this story was buried because vaccines are ALWAYS safe and effective.”

Nope. We never said this.”‘

Tell that to Nolady. She is cheering the New York ruling against unvaccinated students in public school.
The basis of the court’s ruling ASSUMES THAT VACCINES ARE ALWAYS SAFE AND EFFECTIVE.
You can’t eat your cake and have it too.

Heh. This is the new “expert witness/doctor” who is set to testify in the Hooker case…she’s a specialist in whole cell DPT vaccine-induced-autism.

http://www.megson.com/readings/MedicalHypothesis.pdf

This is the new “expert witness/doctor” who is set to testify in the Hooker case…

That would be no, no, and no, although the last two are redundant.

TOTO’S TRUTH IN MODERATION ROUNDUP
(cameras rolling)

oto

January 18, 2015
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@lilady
“I’ve got to wonder how many more cases of measles will be reported from the Philippines, now that Pope Francis officiated at an outdoor mass for six million people.”

What are the official vaccine surveillance stats on the Philippines? I’m sure you’ve seen them or you wouldn’t be commenting. The Philippines is usually well vaccinated since we had a military base there. Interestingly, the Philippine govt. had just told the U.S. “no” for renewing the contract, then just days later they were slammed with a devastating typhoon. It was after this that the measles outbreak occurred. Sanitation and health in the local population was greatly undermined. The U.S. military was there right after the storm. Vaccines were certaily available.

“Q: Why do people in the U.S. still catch measles if the disease has been eliminated?

A: Measles is imported into the U.S. from places where the disease still occurs, including Europe, Africa and Asia. Last year, the U.S. saw a record 644 measles infections in 27 states. The majority of the infections were brought in from the Philippines, which experienced a measles epidemic.”
http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/wireStory/qa-measles-pops-outbreak-linked-disney-parks-28271800

Toto

January 18, 2015
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“MMR vaccine and varicella vaccine should not be given to women who plan to become pregnant or who are pregnant.”

This means that women of reproductive age should never get the vaccine. If your “contraceptive” fails, you will have criminally infected your unborn child.

Is that what you advocate, Nolady?

Toto

January 18, 2015
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@Nolady
‘”The right to practice religion freely does not include liberty to expose the community or the child to communicable disease or the latter to ill health or death.’”
http://www.rescuepost.com/files/phillips_per-curium-opinion_01072015.pdf

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT A VACCINATION DOES. The communicable disease causing virus is injected directly into the individual. The results are unpredictable because of age, added ingredients, health of individual when injected, the individual’s immune response, and number and kind of viruses injected at one time. Monetary payouts by “vaccine courts” prove that the government agrees that vaccines do cause harm and that the harmed individual is worthy of monetary compensation. Vaccine surveillance data proves that individuals can get the very disease the vaccine was intended to protect them from. Yet, according to the law, only the unvaccinated would be quarantined in a public school outbreak. This is obvious discrimination. Also, vaccination does not equal immunization. Just because antibodies are produced, doesn’t always mean the individual has immunity to a real world virus exposure. The centrally controlled vaccine “program” is subject to fraud, corruption, and biowarfare because of lack of independent over-site and billions of dollars in revenue at stake. Those that manufacture the vaccines have no liability for the end product.
OBVIOUSLY, THEY DON’T THINK IT IS SAFE.

THE GOVERNMENT CAN’T EAT IT’S CAKE AND HAVE IT TOO.

Toto

Everywhere
January 18, 2015
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@Narad
“Strange that those never appear anywhere.”
Paranoid, much? Kind’a like Candid Camera.

I can truthfully say that Orac saw the error of his ways and posted all my comments. No need to publicize.

BTW, here’s a good laugh:
Vaccinologist makes surprise visit to Candid Camera…

Toto

On the beach
January 18, 2015
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Q: Where do surviving retired Yerkes Primate Center employees go?

A. Some have found employment in the security industry on the West Coast…..

Toto

January 18, 2015
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@Nolady
“My children, born in 1970 and 1976″
There’s the source of your ignorance. Your two weren’t guinea pigs for the 1986 – 2000 “Age of Autism” vaccine schedule. Untested, full of mercury as never before, more injected viruses than ever before, abominable results, coverup.
Sit this one out, old hag. You are clueless about what happened to many of these children.

Toto

January 18, 2015
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@Hellianthus
‘”Of course, this story was buried because vaccines are ALWAYS safe and effective.”

Nope. We never said this.”‘

Tell that to Nolady. She is cheering the New York ruling against unvaccinated students in public school.
The basis of the court’s ruling ASSUMES THAT VACCINES ARE ALWAYS SAFE AND EFFECTIVE.
You can’t eat your cake and have it too.

Toto

January 18, 2015
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HAVE YOU SEEN THIS MONKEY? It’s possibly still on the loose!

Monkey missing from Yerkes National Primate Research Center

Posted: Jun 22, 2011 9:38 PM EDT
Updated: Jul 21, 2011 9:15 PM EDT
LAWRENCEVILLE, GA (CBS46) –
CBS Atlanta was first to report on Wednesday that there is a monkey missing from the Yerkes Primate Research Center. That’s on Taylor Lane in Lawrenceville.

On Thursday PETA called for the U.S. Department of Agriculture to investigate.

The center is set back in the woods, away from a main road, but it’s in the midst of neighborhoods.

“Couple hundred yards, real close. Those houses across the street, its right behind those homes,” said neighbor Nelson Downing.

The missing monkey is a 2-year-old female. She is about 5.5 pounds. According to the center, most rhesus monkeys are born with the monkey forms of HIV and the herpes B virus, which can be deadly. This monkey was specially bred so she does not have any diseases. Still, Downing is concerned.

“We weren’t notified about it. This is serious. We have animals, small dogs,” said Nelson.

When reporter Jennifer Mayerle asked a spokesperson from the center since this has happened once, could it happen again?

Their answer, “anything’s possible.”
Read more: http://www.cbs46.com/story/14960350/monkey-missing-from-yerkes-national-primate-research-center#ixzz3PEagFcDU
MY COMMENT: This is also within a mile or so of an elementary school and a public high school. See Google maps.

STILL ON THE LOOSE?…4 years later!

“Missing monkey search called off

Story by Tyler Estep
Saturday, August 20, 2011
Lawrenceville — The monkey business is over; two months after a rhesus macaque went missing from a Lawrenceville research facility, the search has been officially called off.

During a June 15 veterinary check of macaques at the Lawrenceville field office of Emory University’s Yerkes National Primate Research Center, the monkey known as “Ep13″ was discovered to be missing. Subsequent weeks saw officials notify residents living near the facility on Taylor Lane, emphasize that the animal was not infected with any disease and later say that the monkey was believed dead.

Ep13 has not been found, but Yerkes released a statement this week formally calling off the search.”

“Effective (Aug. 16), Stuart Zola, PhD, director of the Yerkes National Primate Research Center, has ended the search to locate Ep13,” the statement said. “Despite extensive effort by the Yerkes staff, we have not been able to locate this research animal.”

“The incident drew the ire of many residents in the area near Collins Hill High School, some saying they weren’t notified and expressing concerns that nobody was alerted until almost a week after officials noticed Ep13’s disappearance.

In July, 17 Lawrenceville residents signed a formal complaint with Gwinnett County’s department of planning and development, calling for the Yerkes field office to be closed.”

‘A possible escape route for the monkey was never discovered.

Newbern said Friday that Yerkes was “consulting with several vendors” regarding additional microchip technology to “facilitate more frequent and efficient tracking of the animals.” Increased video surveillance is also a priority for the near future, she said.”‘
http://m.gwinnettdailypost.com/news/2011/aug/20/missing-monkey-search-called-off/

WHAT?????? IN 2011, THESE ANIMALS WERE NOT CHIPPED?
They’ve been chipping pet dogs and cats since THE EARLY ’90’s!

DO YOU THINK IF THIS MONKEY WAS LOADED WITH HIV OR OTHER DISEASES, CDC WOULD ACTUALLY SAY SO??????????? Yeah, right.

@Toto
Alright, seriously. I told you who was responsible for managing the current outbreak. They might have quite a few reasons for not publishing every data at once (we are not in CSI, lab results are not available in the hour ; besides you yourself showed that confirming a measles case is quite a lot of work)
Why don’t you just contact them and ask the closest sources your questions ?

@Narad
“Strange that those never appear anywhere.”
Paranoid, much? Kind’a like Candid Camera.

I can truthfully say that Orac saw the error of his ways and posted all my comments. No need to publicize.

Classic. It’s like Festinger’s UFO cult; they were the only people in the world who believed in the upcoming apocalypse, and when the real world provided exactly ZERO evidence to support their predictions, they salvaged their perception by claiming their actions had averted the apocalypse.

I am interested, vaguely, in what Toto would present as evidence that could falsify its idea that it is important enough to censor. Of course, that would presume that it can even understand the principle of falsification.

Toto,
You are an endless fount of wrongness.

The Philippines is usually well vaccinated since we had a military base there.

Not true, in 2013 only 53% of children had their second measles vaccine by the recommended age (PDF). That’s well below the threshold for herd immunity.

The majority of the infections were brought in from the Philippines, which experienced a measles epidemic.”

Because of its poor vaccine coverage, obviously.

“MMR vaccine and varicella vaccine should not be given to women who plan to become pregnant or who are pregnant.”
This means that women of reproductive age should never get the vaccine. If your “contraceptive” fails, you will have criminally infected your unborn child.

Firstly, by “women who plan to become pregnant” they mean women who imminently plan to get pregnant, not all women of child-bearing age. Secondly, vaccination has reduced the incidence of congenital rubella syndrome from 7,000 cases each year in 1962-65 to less than one case per year. Are you seriously suggesting that it would be better for pregnant women and their unborn children not to have vaccine-induced immunity to rubella and varicella (which can also cause congenital abnormalities)?

Vaccine surveillance data proves that individuals can get the very disease the vaccine was intended to protect them from. Yet, according to the law, only the unvaccinated would be quarantined in a public school outbreak. This is obvious discrimination.

Since the vaccinated have taken every measure possible to prevent infection and the great majority of them are immune, this seems reasonable to me. I also note a hint of nirvana fallacy here: car accident data proves that those wearing seat belts can still get injured, yet wearing seat belts is still mandatory in most states.

Also, vaccination does not equal immunization. Just because antibodies are produced, doesn’t always mean the individual has immunity to a real world virus exposure.

The same goes for infection with the wild virus. Both vaccination and wild viral infection are very likely to lead to immunity, though neither is infallible and the latter is far more likely to kill or maim.

Those that manufacture the vaccines have no liability for the end product. OBVIOUSLY, THEY DON’T THINK IT IS SAFE. THE GOVERNMENT CAN’T EAT IT’S CAKE AND HAVE IT TOO.

As you well know the Vaccine Court was set up because frivolous litigation was driving vaccine manufacturers out of the market. You must also be well aware that vaccines are vastly safer than the diseases they prevent. Do you want to go back to pre-vaccine days when hundreds of children died every year from measles, thousands were born with congenital abnormalities from CRS and thousands suffered bacterial meningitis each year, among the other horrible sequelae of VPDs?

Sit this one out, old hag. You are clueless about what happened to many of these children.

Charming as always. I imagine lilady takes insults from you as compliments.

The basis of the court’s ruling ASSUMES THAT VACCINES ARE ALWAYS SAFE AND EFFECTIVE. You can’t eat your cake and have it too.

No it doesn’t, any more than seat belt laws assume that they are always safe and effective.

HAVE YOU SEEN THIS MONKEY? It’s possibly still on the loose!

What possible relevance does this story have to anything being discussed here?

WHAT?????? IN 2011, THESE ANIMALS WERE NOT CHIPPED? They’ve been chipping pet dogs and cats since THE EARLY ’90’s!

How would an RFID chip, like those used for dogs and cats, help to track an escaped monkey?

DO YOU THINK IF THIS MONKEY WAS LOADED WITH HIV OR OTHER DISEASES, CDC WOULD ACTUALLY SAY SO??????????? Yeah, right.

Yes, I do. What motive did they have to lie? If someone contracted a disease from this animal and it transpired the CDC had lied about it they would be in deep manure.

Cross-posting a comment I just left on Orac’s not-so-secret other blog:

Dr. Sears is also very casual about that “well-nourished” in a country where a huge number of people rely partly on food banks to feed their children.

Whether that’s active hostility to the poor or willful blindness, he doesn’t care if poor children get measles and suffer those complications. Those aren’t his patients, after all.

This suggests he’s also willing to watch his anorexic patients die, or more likely, not watch as they’re lying in a hospital somewhere.

“Hmmm…a monkey loose in the country? I’d be shocked if it lasted more than a couple of days before it was killed by a predator.

If a hunter had taken it out, we probably would have heard something (hunters just love to brag) – so I’m guessing cougar or some such big cat killed and ate it.”

LOL! Yerkes is surrounded by huge high-end subdivisions and two LARGE public schools. Suburban Gwinnett COUNTY, not “country”. A friend of mine lived there. A roaming pet-eating cougar would also be a front page story. For all we know, the monkey could be biting wild animals and spreading a reservoir of HIV or EBOLA. Remember the Litton connection and the Marburg, Germany incident?

“Four years later, during a U.S. Senate investigation of illegal “biological testing involving human subjects by the Department of Defense,” Senators learned that Bionetics, Bionetics Research Laboratories, and Litton Bionetics—an organization which, along with the NCI, administered and provided Dr. Gallo’s research funding10,13,15,17-19,22,26 were not only acknowledged DOD biological weapons contractors, but their affiliated Litton Systems, Inc., was among the most frequently contracted institutions involved in biological weapons research and development between 1960 and 1970 (the end of the reported period).23

Additional bio-logical weapons contractors with whom Dr. Gallo and/or his co-workers associated during the late 1960s and early 1970s included the University of Chicago,24 Texas,13 Virginia,25 and Yale,17 Merck and Co. Inc.,20 and Hazelton Laboratory, site of the famous 1989 Marburg-Ebola-like (Reston) virus outbreak.22

NCI staff reports revealed that Litton Bionetics had been granted the service contract to supply all NCI researchers, worldwide, with virtually every primate cancer research material requested, including seed viruses, viral hybrids, cell lines, experimental reagents, and African colony born monkeys including M. mulatta and C. aethiops which were associated with the major monkey AIDS virus outbreaks in California’s Davis Lab, and the 1967 Marburg virus outbreaks in three European vaccine production facilities.15-17

Litton Bionetics chief John Landon reported an experiment begun in 1965 when he inoculated 18 monkeys with rhaabdovirus simian—a rabies virus known to cause Ebola-like hemorrhagic fever in monkeys. “Nine [monkeys] died or were transferred,” to allied laboratories or vaccine production facilities. This shipment was likely to have started the first hemorrhagic fever “Marburg virus” outbreak among European vaccine laboratory workers in 1967. As noted by the world’s leading simian virus expert at the time, Dr. Seymour Kalter, the Marburg virus was apparently manmade.23-25

In fact, Litton Bionetics, the chief military and industrial supplier of primates for cancer virus experimentation during the 1960s and early 1970s, also maintained the colony of the specific genus of monkeys associated with all of the major monkey AIDS virus outbreaks in the United States.23 ”
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/supressed_inventions/suppressed_inventions06.htm

HAVE YOU SEEN THIS MONKEY?

In my mind I hear this in an Inspector Clouseau voice.

Mass MEASLES and Polio Vaccination Program Targeted for 500,000 (Philippine) Typhoon Victims Under Age 5
NOTE: Article from 2013, after Typhoon Yolanda

“The children are being vaccinated for measles and polio, in spite of the fact that MEASLES RATES ARE VERY LOW and declining in the Philippines, and that there has not been a single case of polio in the Philippines since 1993.

In the video below, Heather Papowitz, a senior advisor for UNICEF, states that they are vaccinating children for measles even though they have already been vaccinated for the disease, because previous vaccine campaigns were, “not enough to protect them, so we need to get them vaccinated as soon as possible.”

Is this a statement to the ineffectiveness of measles vaccines that they need to be vaccinated repeatedly, or that somehow typhoon disasters like this require higher doses of the vaccine? By either reasoning, it allows pharmaceutical companies a larger market for their products.

Regarding their goal to vaccinate 500,000 children with the very dangerous oral polio vaccine, she states, “As far as polio, it was already eradicated in the Philippines, so we just want to make sure it doesn’t come back.”

“I lived in the Philippines for several years, and have been through four Super Typhoons. I have also participated in relief operations after natural and man-made disasters. The amount of fraud and corruption that occurs when millions, or even billions, of dollars are being donated for “humanitarian” purposes after a tragedy like this is always a problem, and this appears to me to be a case where pharmaceutical companies are seizing upon the Philippine Typhoon Yolanda tragedy to promote their vaccine agenda.

Pharmaceutical sales are slumping in the U.S., and they are looking for new markets, particularly in the poorer countries. Measles is declining in the Philippines and already rare, and there are no cases of polio. But that may all change now, thanks to this vaccination program that can, ironically, cause the disease for which the vaccine is supposed to prevent, resulting in even more vaccination programs in the future with the claim that these diseases are now returning, thus creating a lucrative market for the western pharmaceutical companies.”

– See more at: http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/no-polio-in-the-philippines-since-1993-but-mass-polio-vaccination-program-started-among-500000-typhoon-victims/#sthash.ao5CV6W1.dpuf

Heh. This is the new “expert witness/doctor” who is set to testify in the Hooker case…she’s a specialist in whole cell DPT vaccine-induced-autism.

I see that like so many other NVICP petitioners who won’t accept the OAP decisions, Hooker is going for some even sloppier incarnation of vaccines-cause-autism. But then again since he’d been relying upon the Geier’s thiomersal pseudohypothesis, what’s to lose by shifting causation.

My otherwise-healthy husband got really sick last winter with a terrible cough. I made him go to a walk-in clinic, he was told he had a viral upper resp infection and to go home and rest. A day later, his coughing was so bad that he’d vomit. His chest hurt badly, his breathing was laboured, and did I mention the coughing ’til he puked? I drove him to the ER. He spent 3 days in hospital and 4 days on the couch. Sears can suck it.

And I’ll just leave this here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93ZDOcU2TL4

It’s amusing (in a frustrating kind of way) how these crunchy mothers hand wave away 450 deaths from measles because it’s “natural” and a small number so “not much to worry about” and blithely insist that no prevention is needed, yet if they heard that any vaccine or medical treatment caused 450 children to die they’d be screaming it from the rooftops and proclaiming it the crime of the century and that heaven and earth needed to be moved to stop it.

A friend of mine uses the euphemism “moving furniture” for a certain activity, ever since she used it as an excuse when a downstairs neighbor complained about certain noises when she was in her 20s.

as of 1/7/2015, here are the FACTS

And these are of interest on January 19 why?

@Narad
“In other words, this was a lie:

“I hope you realize that I videotape myself making my posts live. I then show all of my censored posts. It makes a nice upload for anti-vax sites.

Well played, moron.”

What was the date of that post?
I was only speaking of the most recent group on this particular topic.
I never said who I show the video to. Anyone could share the video as they see fit, even “anti-vax” sites. Duh.
Which alphabet ops do you work for? Web crawler, much?
Way to go, N’ad!

WHAT?????? IN 2011, THESE ANIMALS WERE NOT CHIPPED? They’ve been chipping pet dogs and cats since THE EARLY ’90’s!

How would an RFID chip, like those used for dogs and cats, help to track an escaped monkey?

Well, you wouldn’t want to return it to the wrong owner of a lost monkey. But I guess that’s what the tattoo was for.

“NCI staff reports revealed that Litton Bionetics had been granted the service contract to supply all NCI researchers, worldwide, with virtually every primate cancer research material requested, including seed viruses, viral hybrids, cell lines, experimental reagents, and African colony born monkeys including M. mulatta and C. aethiops which were associated with the major monkey AIDS virus outbreaks in California’s Davis Lab, and the 1967 Marburg virus outbreaks in three European vaccine production facilities.15-17″

Oh, Christ, it’s resorted to Leonard Horowitz. Shall we examine references 15–17?

#15: PMID 4340555 (Elsevier). No discernible bearing on anything.

#16: PMID 4342965. See #15.

#17: PMID 4117771. See #16.

Almost forgot:*

African colony born monkeys

Which African monkey colonies?

PUT UP OR SH## UP.

* As Tutu, I reserve the right to expand the list arbitrarily.

MOOve over MONKEYS!

Genetically Modified Cattle With Human DNA Might Hold Ebola Cure

“These animals produce very high levels of HUMAN antibody,” said Eddie Sullivan, president and CEO of SAb Biotherapeutics, the company that developed the cattle.

The cattle have been genetically engineered with human DNA so that their bodies don’t produce cattle antibodies but human antibodies. They’re cloned to make a herd of genetically identical, part-human animals. Then they are VACCINATED against various DEADLY DISEASES such as EBOLA. Their bodies produce antibodies in response to these vaccines, and the hope is these antibodies can be used to treat people with the diseases.”

IT GETS WORSE…..
“It’s not a given that this is going to work for Ebola,” said Connie Schmaljohn, a senior research scientist at USAMRIID who’s working on both the hantavirus and Ebola projects.

First, the cattle are vaccinated against Ebola, using what’s called a DNA vaccine. Then, plasma is removed and the antibodies taken out of the plasma. The antibodies – which are identical to human antibodies – are shipped to USAMRIID labs in Fort Detrick, Maryland for testing.

There, a team has worked in a lLEVELl 4 biosafety lab – the highest level of biosecurity – to first INFECT MICE WITH EBOLA virus, then dose them with antibodies.”
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/genetically-modified-cattle-human-dna-might-hold-ebola-cure-n287796

What about vaccine failure? What if the cows OR MICE develop a full case of Ebola?
Now we can worry about Frankencows and mice getting out of the pen….

“California Department of Public Health Confirms Measles Cases”
as of 1/7/2015, here are the FACTS:

*7 CONFIRMED cases of measles in California. Type (wild or vaccine derived) not given.

*1 CONFIRMED VACCINE FAILURE.

Out of that whole blathering article, that’s it.
http://www.cdph.ca.gov/Pages/NR15-002.aspx

You numbskull

I recall — in a completely non-gloating way — this prediction from last October

I’m holding out for endorsement of the killing of polio workers in Pakistan, myself. Because “populism.”

@Toto #172
Okay, seriously. It is a press release.
You can clearly see that after this date, they decided it would be far simpler to update their general “Measles” page, instead of cluttering their homepage with updates after updates. It is clearly indicated in the announcement you cite + in the homepage, the “Measles” is now in the “Hot topics”.

As for the missing informations : have you contacted them to ask your questions ?

Trolls like Toto are so interesting. They cut and paste whole screeds of stuff, most of it irrelevant to the topic at hand, but the puff out their chest convinced that they have “proven” us all wrong.

But they really don’t understand what they wrote, and if you try to spend the time to debunk each of Toto’s fallacies, he/she gets indignant that you failed to debunk his/her comment from 15 minutes ago, so therefore, he/she WON!!!

And now he/she’s an HIV/AIDS denier too. I believe that in baseball terms, Toto has hit for the cycle.

There also seems to be no rhyme or reason to its posts – more stream of consciousness & throwing out whatever it thinks is important or has some meaning….

Johanna, I’m very late with my condolences, but they’re nonetheless very sincere. : (

OOPS!
Here’s the link to #208

THIS MEASLES OUTBREAK WAS LARGER THAN THE DISNEY ONE. WHY NO WEEKS OF WALL TO WALL COVERAGE IN THE MSM?

Notes from the Field: Measles Outbreak Among Members of a Religious Community — Brooklyn, New York, March–June 2013
September 13, 2013 / 62(36);752-753

“On March 13, 2013, an intentionally unvaccinated adolescent aged 17 years returned to New York City from London, United Kingdom, while infectious with measles. This importation led to the largest outbreak of measles in the United States since 1996 (1).
Investigation of suspected cases included patient interviews, medical record reviews, and ascertainment of immunization records. Testing for measles immunoglobulin G (IgG) and immunoglobulin M (IgM) and testing for measles virus RNA by reverse-transcription polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR) were performed, and MEASLES GENOTYPE WAS DETERMINED. Cases were identified in residents of New York City and classified according to the Council of State and Territorial Epidemiologists clinical case definition (2). Exposed contacts were identified, and control measures were implemented.
A TOTAL OF 58 CASES* were identified, including six generations of measles infection in TWO NEIGHBORHOODS of the borough of BROOKLYN. ALL CASES WERE IN MEMBERS OF THE ORTHODOX JEWISH COMMUNITY. NO case was identified in a person who had DOCUMENTED MEASLES VACCINATION at the time of exposure; 12 (21%) OF THE CASES WERE IN INFANTS too young (aged <12 months) for routine immunization with measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine.

The outbreak was first recognized in Brooklyn's Borough Park neighborhood, where the median age of 28 infected persons was 10 years (range: 0–32 years), and 79% of cases in persons aged ≥12 months were in three extended families whose members declined use of measles vaccine. The outbreak spread to the Williamsburg neighborhood, where the median age of 30 infected persons was 19 months (range: 0 months–32 years), and the primary reasons for lack of vaccination were refusal (nine, 30%) and delay (eight, 27%). Forty-eight (83%) of all cases were confirmed by positive measles IgM or RT-PCR result and 10 (17%) by epidemiologic linkage (2). GENOTYPE D8 WAS IDENTIFIED IN 17 cases, consistent with known current circulation of this genotype in the UNITED KINGDOM. No other genotype was identified among the cases."

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6236a5.htm

“It was a fυcking rhesus macaque, dipshіt.”
THANKS FOR THE CLARIFICATION.

That they’re not African? No, thank you for this idiotic jabbering:

For all we know, the monkey could be biting wild animals and spreading a reservoir [sic] of HIV or EBOLA</b?. Remember the Litton connection and the Marburg, Germany incident?

The mysterious Mr. Albert Saperstein and the sugar cube fix….
His story REVEALED!
http://www.haaretz.com/news/features/this-day-in-jewish-history/.premium-1.612378

Related:

“Barbara Loe Fisher, president and co-founder of theNational Vaccine Information Center, a non-profit organization which advocates vaccine safety,testifiedbefore the House Government Reform Committee’s subcommittee on Human Rights and Wellness in September 2003 that

[T]oday, U.S. federal health agencies admit the following two facts: (1) Salk polio vaccine released for public use between 1955 and 1963 was contaminated with SV40; and SV40 has been proven to cause cancer in animals.

Continuing, Fisher said that at a 1997 conference on SV40 and human cancers held by the National Institutes of Health which she attended, “there was no disagreement among both government and non-government scientists about these two facts.

The only disagreement was whether SV40 was actually being identified in the cancerous tumors of children and adults alive today and, if it was, whether the monkey virus was in fact responsible for their cancer. Non-government scientists working in independent labs around the world said, ‘Yes.’ But the scientists connected with the U.S. government said ‘No.’”

Fisher went on to say that “credentialed non-government scientists in multiple labs around the world continue to identify SV40 in human brain and lung cancers of children and adults and are finding that SV40 is also associated with bone cancers and Non-Hodgkin’s Lymphomas.”
http://drleonardcoldwell.com/2011/06/29/the-true-story-of-sv40-the-cancer-causing-virus-hidden-in-polio-vaccines/

These New Yorkers can’t get it right. If they vaccinate, they get sick. If they don’t vaccinate, they get sick…….

Update: Mumps Outbreak — New York and New Jersey, June 2009–January 2010

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“State and local health departments, in collaboration with CDC, continue to investigate a mumps outbreak that began in New York in June 2009 (1). The index case occurred in a boy aged 11 years who had returned on June 17 from a trip to the UNITED KINGDOM, where approximately 7,400 reports of laboratory-confirmed mumps were received by the Health Protection Agency in 2009.* He then attended a New York summer camp for tradition-observant Jewish boys, where he became symptomatic on June 28. Subsequently, other camp attendees and a staff member were reported to have mumps, and transmission continued in multiple locations when the camp attendees returned home. As of January 29, 2010, a total of 1,521 cases had been reported, with onset dates from June 28, 2009, through January 29, 2010, a substantial increase from the 179 cases reported as of October 30, 2009 (1). The OUTBREAK HAS REMAINED CONFINED PRIMARILY TO THE TRADITION – OBSERVANT JEWISH COMMUNITY with <3% of cases occurring among persons outside the community. The largest percentage of cases (61%) has occurred among persons aged 7–18 years, and 76% of the patients are male. Among the patients for whom vaccination status was reported, 88% had received at least 1 dose of mumps-containing vaccine, and 75% HAD RECEIVED 2 DOSES. This is the LARGEST MUMPS OUTBREAK that has occurred in the United States since 2006 (2). Although mumps VACCINATION ALONE WAS NOT SUFFICIENT to prevent this outbreak, "

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/pdf/wk/mm5905.pdf

I don’t know bob, but this is a very interesting account of the polio vaccine history. It jives with the bio of Sabin (Saperstein) linked at #215

“bob – Reply
August 26, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Larry, you left out all the good stuff. The Sabin vs Salk competition and the relationship to the cold war.

It also should be noted that Sabin wasn’t really the discoverer of the oral vaccine. It was another Polish Jew – Hilary Koprowski. Sabin got a sample of the attenuated virus from Koprowski who had first tested it in 1950.

Sabin couldn’t continue his work in the USA. He took it to Russia. This made the Soviet Union the first country to develop, produce, license, and widely use the oral polio vaccine. Between 1955-1961, the oral vaccine was given to at least 100 million people in the USSR, parts of Eastern Europe, Singapore, Mexico and the Netherlands orior to its use in the USA.

The first industrial production and mass use of Oral Poliovirus Vaccine (OPV) from Sabin strains was organized by Soviet scientist Mikhail Chumakov. This was all described in two articles published in scientific journals in the 1980s, one by Sabin himself. First Sabin’s piece: “Role of my cooperation with Soviet scientists in the elimination of polio: possible lessons for relations between the U.S.A. and the USSR”. Perspect Biol Med. 1987 and earlier one by S. Benison, “International Medical Cooperation: Dr. Albert Sabin, Live Poliovirus Vaccine and the Soviets” Bulletin of the History of Medicine 56 (1982). See also this article in Scientific American: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=birth-of-a-cold-war-vaccine.

So, tens of millions had benefitted from the work of Sabin with the Russian communists prior to the vaccine’s introduction to the US. Dr Sabin was honored with a medal from the Soviet government during the height of the Cold War. [http://perryjgreenbaum.blogspot.com/2010/12/polio-vaccine.html]

Salk had the deep financial backing of the National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis (the March of Dimes). Sabin had to face the opposition of the organization. Attempts were made to prevent its use in the US calling it Sabin’s “communist vaccine.” Later, in 1985, Ronald Reagan took time to glorify Salk (not Sabin) proclaiming May 6, 1985 to be “Jonas Salk Day.”

Some years later, Sabin got into some trouble with the US government and the press when he denounced the administration of the swine flu vaccine. He said he doubted there was as much danger from the swine flu as the public was being led to believe. He argued that the vaccination campaign should await evidence that the virus was indeed reappearing in the population. As it turned out, the feared epidemic never did materialize and vaccination was followed by serious illness in several hundred people.

And finally, we should remember that Sabin graduated from high school in Paterson, N.J. – my hometown!

Good early discussion of Sabin vs Salk at http://www.thecrimson.com/article/1963/3/2/salk-and-sabin-pin-january-1955/ ”
http://jewishcurrents.org/august-26-albert-sabins-polio-vaccine-11746

75% HAD RECEIVED 2 DOSES

Two doses of mumps vaccine are, on average, 88% effective at preventing the disease. http://www.cdc.gov/mumps/vaccination.html

Now how many people were exposed during this outbreak?

@Chris
#221
Could this have something to do with it? Jeryl Lynn is getting old.

“We are pleased that the court has upheld our federal antitrust claim in this important case. While Merck has enjoyed an exclusive monopoly on the sale of mumps vaccine in the United States, mumps outbreaks continue to occur because, as we allege in our lawsuit, Merck has misled the public about the vaccine’s efficacy,” Kellie Lerner of Robins Kaplan Miller & Ciresi LLP, representing the direct purchasers, said in a statement. “This decision brings us one step closer to shining a light on Merck’s deceptive business practices so that new and more effective vaccines will ultimately be developed in the future.”
http://www.law360.com/articles/574389/antitrust-fca-claims-on-merck-mumps-vaccine-to-advance

THIS MEASLES OUTBREAK WAS LARGER THAN THE DISNEY ONE. WHY NO WEEKS OF WALL TO WALL COVERAGE IN THE MSM?

Because it concerns different people.
– some who are clustered in one community (the communication being handled mostly by the local health authorities)
– while the others come from everywhere in the country. Hence the necessity to alert more widely people who came to the park at these dates.

I just find it both funny & a little interesting (from a psychological perspective) to see someone who lacks any sense of self-awareness, to realize that any other rational person, reading their posts, would quickly realize that the poster is mentally unbalanced (at minimum) and may be completely unhinged (more likely).

Keep it up little doggy – makes it easier to see which side reality is on (and it isn’t yours).

I’ll just say this, showing some of toto’s posts to a few of the doctors and nurses at the hospital that I volunteer at (one of the doctors is a infectious disease specialist) the general consensus is that toto has no idea what he/she it is talking about and that anyone with a rational mind would dismiss the postings instantly. Heck, the doc with the specialty in infectious diseases thought it was a joke at first.

So yeah, toto’s just proving how out of touch he is and how little the anti-vax side has in terms of honesty, integrity, and intelligence. I enjoy the posts, just to see how much stupidity he/she/it posts, and to draw a few cheap laughs.

@#229
“Heck, the doc with the specialty in infectious diseases thought it was a joke at first.”

Is this the post you are referring to?

#150
Toto

On the beach
January 18, 2015
Q: Where do surviving retired Yerkes Primate Center employees go?

A. Some have found employment in the security industry on the West Coast…..

Well,well.
Looks like Jeffery Epstein has gone up a notch.
From SMOKING GUN to the INQUIRER:
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/world-exclusive-bill-clinton-jeffrey-epstein-orgy-island-flight-plan-virginia-roberts

Perhaps he can offer certain Sciencebloggers a Spring Break package to the V.I. He is, after all, a science research philanthropist…

“Epstein has always been interested in science, funding scientific projects and investments around the world. In 2000 he established the Jeffrey Epstein VI Foundation, which funds science research and education globally. He has reportedly donated $30m to Harvard University, money the Ivy League institution retained despite his conviction and registration as a sex offender.

Reports say the silver-coiffed Epstein has invested millions to research subjects such as evolution, cancer and HIV. His projects have linked him to many leading figures in the world of science and research including Gerald Edelman, Murray Gell-Mann and Stephen Hawking.”
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/who-is-jeffrey-epstein-a-study-of-the-man-linked-to-worlds-of-celebrity-politics–and-royalty-9954397.html

@#230
“Unfortunately, it’s easier to copy-paste that stuff”
Do you mean this stuff?

“Almost forgot:*

African colony born monkeys

Which African monkey colonies?

PUT UP OR SH## UP.

* As Tutu, I reserve the right to expand the list arbitrarily.
Vicki:
People can read what they want. I’m not assuming anything about the value of your time or how you chose to spend it. My only stated complaint was that some people chose to spend a lot of time reading and replying to trolls, which IMHO is unproductive. If they enjoy it, they get to choose their hobby as freely as Orac does. They could be fly-fishing, or putting ships in bottles. It’s hardly for me to say. But if the idea is to advance the cause of reducing harm from pseudo-science quackery, I don’t see the utility.
There also seems to be no rhyme or reason to its posts – more stream of consciousness & throwing out whatever it thinks is important or has some meaning….
@Narad
“Strange that those never appear anywhere.”
Paranoid, much? Kind’a like Candid Camera.

I can truthfully say that Orac saw the error of his ways and posted all my comments. No need to publicize.

Classic. It’s like Festinger’s UFO cult; they were the only people in the world who believed in the upcoming apocalypse, and when the real world provided exactly ZERO evidence to support their predictions, they salvaged their perception by claiming their actions had averted the apocalypse.

I am interested, vaguely, in what Toto would present as evidence that could falsify its idea that it is important enough to censor. Of course, that would presume that it can even understand the principle of falsification.
Don’t forget the apparently RANDOM capitalization, and pasting ARTICLES that contradict her CLAIMS. I have no idea why she thinks the article she pasted refutes my statement that “the Vaccine Court was set up because frivolous litigation was driving vaccine manufacturers out of the market”, when it states (in a section that for some reason she didn’t paste):

In recent years the number of such lawsuits has increased, and the prices of vaccines have risen rapidly. The increase in the cost of liability insurance and the unpredictable nature of such liability have forced some manufacturers to consider abandoning production of vaccines, even though the vaccines have been highly effective in protecting millions of children against disease.

How can any of us compete with an intellect that is capable of a response like, “HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !”, accompanied by copy pasta that supports what s/he thinks is so amusing?
Don’t forget the apparently RANDOM capitalization, and pasting ARTICLES that contradict her CLAIMS. I have no idea why she thinks the article she pasted refutes my statement that “the Vaccine Court was set up because frivolous litigation was driving vaccine manufacturers out of the market”, when it states (in a section that for some reason she didn’t paste):

In recent years the number of such lawsuits has increased, and the prices of vaccines have risen rapidly. The increase in the cost of liability insurance and the unpredictable nature of such liability have forced some manufacturers to consider abandoning production of vaccines, even though the vaccines have been highly effective in protecting millions of children against disease.

How can any of us compete with an intellect that is capable of a response like, “HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !”, accompanied by copy pasta that supports what s/he thinks is so amusing?
Disney is likely losing serious business with this outbreak.

Or not:

“Despite the measles outbreak, a Disneyland Resort spokesperson, who didn’t want to be identified, said that they haven’t seen a drop in attendance.”

It’s not as though the disease arose spontaneously.
Not that I think there is still measles floating around Disneyland or anything (or maybe there is again? Maybe it’s the hot new destination for “measles parties” or whatever) but if I’m vaxxed but pregnant, then I should be covered, right? I know I had to stay away from a relative with shingles recently…
Toto:

@Narad
“Strange that those never appear anywhere.”
Paranoid, much? Kind’a like Candid Camera.

I can truthfully say that Orac saw the error of his ways and posted all my comments. No need to publicize.

That’s good. The Internet might’ve been destroyed from the terminal boredom such a video would impose. Then again, you might be able to start a new reality TV show in Norway. They’ve already got one showing paint drying in real time. I am not kidding. By contrast, watching you type stuff into a computer would be an absolute thriller.

BTW, all posts with several URLs in them go into automatic moderation. It’s to prevent spamming by advertizing bots, which post links to their products. Length may also be a trigger, and whatever else ScienceBlogs’ IT department feels is suggestive of a spam-bot. I run a blog of my own, and that’s actually a big problem. Even my blog, which hardly anybody reads, gets hit regularly by spammers, so I’m sure Orac has a ton to sort through every day.
Heh. This is the new “expert witness/doctor” who is set to testify in the Hooker case…she’s a specialist in whole cell DPT vaccine-induced-autism.

http://www.megson.com/readings/MedicalHypothesis.pdf
Trolls like Toto are so interesting. They cut and paste whole screeds of stuff, most of it irrelevant to the topic at hand, but the puff out their chest convinced that they have “proven” us all wrong.

But they really don’t understand what they wrote, and if you try to spend the time to debunk each of Toto’s fallacies, he/she gets indignant that you failed to debunk his/her comment from 15 minutes ago, so therefore, he/she WON!!!

And now he/she’s an HIV/AIDS denier too. I believe that in baseball terms, Toto has hit for the cycle.
Toto,

I’m still waiting for you to post the individual stats on one page, with links to the appropriate state health department.
PUT UP OR SH## UP.

Why would any of us encourage you in pursuit of yet another red herring? Vaccination has resulted in a more than 99% fall in the incidence of measles. Falling vaccination rates result in outbreaks like the current one, which are a threat to the small percentage of the vaccinated who did not develop immunity as well as to the unvaccinated. About 1% of those who are fully vaccinated against measles are still susceptible, so of course some of those that succumb will be fully vaccinated.

That’s why keeping vaccination rates high is so important. When you add those who don’t develop immunity to those who refuse vaccination you end up with enough non-immune people to fuel an outbreak.

Why can’t you just accept this instead of trying to find something in this shameful state of affairs that will justify your mistaken beliefs? I think you realize that you and your fellow antivaxxers bear some responsibility for this, and this is why you are so desperate to exonerate yourself and blame the vaccines in this increasingly ludicrous manner.
I love the way people like Toto seize upon an exceptionally rare case of vaccine-derived measles as a possible cause of an outbreak, when wild measles is far more virulent and far more dangerous. When their misinformation campaigns have the expected and presumably desired results of reducing vaccine coverage and allowing outbreaks, antivaxxers don’t accept any responsibility, they still try to blame it on the vaccine.

Similarly the rare side effects of the vaccine are anathema but the far more common and severe sequelae of measles itself are a mere “rite of passage”. I’m impressed (also a little concerned) by the mental contortions this must require.”

You’re correct. THAT WAS EASY!

Toto “the Rock” and sidekick SARAH MERCURYWOMAN will continue to finger THE ENEMIES OF THE ANTI-VACCINE New York ORTHODOX JEWISH COMMUNITY!

Here’s a TUTTI-FRUTTI POWER BALL comin’ at ‘ya!

So you are saying that the Vaccine Surveillance/Health Department workers spoke to them in Yiddish?

According to the article:
““There have been two hospitalizations, a miscarriage and a case of pneumonia as a result of this outbreak,” a Health Department spokeswoman said. “All cases involved adults or children who were not vaccinated due to refusal or delays in vaccination.”
“Some parents, including many religious Jews, shun getting the vaccine, which prevents mumps, measles, and rubella, out of fear it causes autism, said Dr. Yu Shia Lin of Maimonides Medical Center in Borough Park.”
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/measles-outbreak-hits-jewish-neighborhoods-brooklyn-article-1.1346446

So they are reading about AUTISM in their Yiddish newspapers?
Does Jenny McCarthy speak Yiddish?
Just curious, what is the Yiddish word for “autism”?

Regardless, you, my friend, are ANTI- the Anti-vaccine ORTHODOX JEWISH COMMUNITY.

Toto “the Rock” and sidekick, Sarah Mercurygirl, are here to come to their defense!
cue theme song:

HERE’S A TUTI FRUTI POWER BALL comin’ at ya’! (don’t duck)

Hey fellow ANTI- Warriors!
We had a GREAT turnout at our secret meeting. Sarah Mercurywoman was able to record the whole thing. We’re making it available to you at the link below at no charge. However, don’t forget, FREEDOM ISN’T FREE. Just leave us a little something at the donate button on your way out. THANKS!

She’s at it again!
HMMM COULD THIS BE HOW MEASLES GOT TO THE STATES?

Unfortunately, I’m out of Tuti Fruti Power Balls.
Coconuts?

@211 Well, given that the 2013 outbreak was 58 cases in more or less one neighborhood and the Disney one as of Friday was up to 58 confirmed linked across several states, with 20 more confirmed cases that might or might not be linked, and is still ongoing so those numbers will almost certainly continue to climb… did you have a point?

I don’t know what language(s) they used; are you assuming that the New York Department of Health doesn’t have any Yiddish-speaking staff, or the ability to find a translator?

A person can speak a second language well enough to have a reasonable conversation, without being comfortable enough in it to seek out news sources in that language when they don’t need to. I have mostly-Anglophone friends who live in Montreal; they buy groceries in either language, but when they get a newspaper, it’s the Gazette, in English, not a French-language daily.

If I needed to find medical help in Spanish, it would be with a fair amount of gesturing and/or a dictionary: but I know enough Spanish to state the basic fact that I need a doctor, and to ask if there is someone there who speaks English.

@ LouV / Emma Crew

Another factor in today’s “wall-to-wall” coverage compared to the previous ones in 2013 is that these were the previous ones.
Then, “it was just measles, a benign childhood disease”.
And then we of Old Europa had our big outbreaks in UK and France. With enough casualties to make people reconsider the “benign” part.
And just recently, Ebola. Just to remind everybody what “contagious” stands for in “contagious disease”.

Well, I do hope it’s not just wishful thinking on my part , but that reporters did improve their assessment of the seriousness of resurgences of almost-forgotten diseases.

Regarding #240

Isn’t Dr. Nancy “JUST GET YOUR DAM* VACCINES” Snyderman the lady who got BUSTED for violating her 21 day EBOLA QUARANTINE? Why wasn’t she jailed? That poor girl in California got THREATENED.

I just read this interesting article on the subject : http://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/2015/01/15/why-quarantine-for-measles-is-critical-and-quarantine-for-ebola-was-not/
You’re welcome.
(And yep, I’m not posting this for Toto but for eventual late readers.)

The basic reproductive rate for Ebola is around 2, meaning on average each infected person will cause an additional 2 infections in susceptible individuals.

And what’s the reproductive number for measles?

Eighteen. Eight. Teen. I’m not exaggerating when I say that it is literally one of the most contagious diseases we know of. On average, if you have 10 susceptible individuals exposed to a measles patient, 9 will end up getting sick.

@dude – she was extremely unapologetic & denied her responsibility until the day she died.

Thanks to AoA and Rescue Post, we have this decision from the U.S. Court of Appeals

I actually pulled down quite a bit more of the case yesterday, but I’m waiting for archive-dot-org to mirror the stuff (it will be here eventually).

JEEZUMS. At least Plainsite can be roused from the dead.

If anybody wants to, y’know, claim their $15 for the common weal, #52, the motion for an emergency injunction (listed as “00203446092”) looks like a keeper.

There’s a $3 cap per document in the Second Circuit, BTW.

PACER is telling me “not found” on that string of digits

That’s the number Plainsite has tacked onto it. If you click that, it should take you right to the document.

Oh, but I forgot, that’s not going to help, because archive-dot-org still hasn’t indexed it. I had to upload the documents to Plainsite by hand once they finally put up the docket. So…. if you RECAP it, it should eventually turn up at Archive, mebbe, or you could jump through the hoop of registering at Plainsite, or you could just deposit the PDF someplace, and I’ll upload it.