Blowing the antivaccine dog whistle again

If his patients were actually “informed” about vaccines, he’d quickly lose them….conversely, if he came out and admitted vaccines were effective and necessary, he’d lose his patients too…..

So, he’s backed himself into a corner – he can’t change his mind or allow his patients to change their minds, because if that happened, he’s quickly go out of business.

If you don’t like measles vaccination, there’s an easy out:

Eradicate measles.

Granted you have to use vaccination to make that happen, but once it does, no one will ever need to get vaccinated for measles again.

Still trying to wrap my head around the idea of the personal-belief exemption that also incorporates a medical license authorization.

Another to the point, not just of the 1:1000 possible mortality rate, but to the suffering & cost of the 25% hospitalization/admittance rate (I guess you could add also the ER visit, because that’s not a trivial cost, anymore).

If the medical license signs off on the personal exemptions, without using an evidence-based medical reason, there should be some shared liability because of the disease spread causing preventable injury to others.

What’s the defense, vaccines are inherently bad (for everyone) ??

I guess the way the state protocol for personal exemption presented is that it doesn’t matter. There’s really not much oversight in certain states, even if that reasoning causes harm across state lines. I’m probably choir preaching, I guess.

I’m not so keen on forced medical, but there should be some oversight or shared responsibility when acting outside of evidence-based medicine.

When I made my 2004 film about Andrew Wakefield, I interviewed the father of a girl in Ireland who died of SSPE following a measles outbreak.

Unfortunately, our director stayed in London and the person supervising the shoot didn’t remind everyone to turn off their cellphones. Thus, our TV audience didn’t see the girl’s father break down when describing the utter slow-to-die horror of that condition.

I hope there aren’t any cases of SSPE in the United States as the pool of measles-susceptible children and young adults grows year-by-year (as it will). I can’t imagine what it must be like to see your child die from an irreversible and untreatable neurologic condition.

But if there is to be even one such case, let it be a patient of Dr Bob’s, so that this smug profiteer can go to the hospital with the parents, hold their hands and tell them how very, very sorry he is when the machines are turned off.

And then I hope they sue the ass off him.

@Yvette

Same point I was going to make, but it’s even worse than that. In 2003 there were 2 deaths from measles. And if you search the National Vital Statistics System, it returns 10 reported measles-related deaths from 2000-2013.

Also, Bob shows his ignorance about infectious diseases in general. I’m more afraid of measles for this country than I am of plague (by which, I assume he’s referring to bubonic plague). You see, measles can be prevented, but not treated once infected. Plague doesn’t spread very well and is easily treatable with antibiotics without any serious sequelae. Now, if an antibiotic-resistant strain of plague evolved, then I might be more concerned about it. But for now, measles is by far a significantly greater threat to public health.

Not to come off like a liberal white dickhead, but only ten deaths? Don’t deaths in the rest of the world count?

Todd, that’s actually exactly what I was thinking too.

“You’re right, Dr Bob. Measles isn’t the plague. The plague is treatable. Measles isn’t.”

I mean, I think i’ts pretty scary that with even high rates of vaccine compliance, we still saw a hundred measles cases pop up in just a couple of weeks with this outbreak. That’s a testimony to how damn contagious this thing is — if you are not immune, you’re almost guaranteed to catch it if exposed.

Plague, meanwhile, has been endemic in parts of the US for a long time, yet actual cases (much less deaths) are rare.

Plague has a bad rap, but I think I know which I’m more concerned about.

Remember, Hawaii’s native population was nearly driven to extinction by measles. They had plenty of exercise and good nutrition. What were they missing, then?

M-O’B, You can do the same thing with rabies. Should solve most (99.9%) of the ‘vaccine problem’ in a year.

Another to the point, not just of the 1:1000 possible mortality rate, but to the suffering & cost of the 25% hospitalization/admittance rate

I haven’t seen much discussion of the economic cost of a measles outbreak vs the cost of vaccination.

We can estimate what the human cost, i.e. death/disability, might be but, what would the economic cost be of a couple of million U.S. kids coming down with measles every couple of years or so as opposed to the cost of vaccination?

I realize that discussing the economic cost associated with a measles epidemic may seem rather crass however, it should be considered in respect of the “benign” nature of measles portrayed by the Dr. Bob types.

But it hasn’t killed anyone in the past 15 years or more.

As ohters have pointed out, this isn’t quite accurate, but let’s for the sake of discussion assume that it is and think about why this might be the case.

Could it just possibly have something to do with the fact that we started rotuinely vaccinating children against measles more than15 years ago?

Informed Consent soumds like a great idea. Inform me whenever I might get too close to a VPD vector; inform my kids likewise.

We can do this by two simple steps:

(a) require each person who is voluntarily unvaccinated to wear, front and back, a large marker: say a 6-inch scarlett “M” for no-MMR, “P” for no-DTP, “C” for no-chicken pox, etc.

(b) require each such potential vector to leave a notice in each place they’ve been, for the dwell time of infectiousness: two hours or so for no-MMR, for instance. The appropriate form of this notice is a flagman, with the scarlet letter. The flagman can leave, and rejoin the vector after time is up. This will allow the notice to be renewed if, for example, the proprietor of the establishment takes exception to a two-hour void in new customers.
The requirements would not apply to survivors of the VPD.
Thus, I have the opportunity for Informed Consent before I enter a place where I might be exposed to a VPD with my too-young-to-vaccinate greatgrandkid. You have that same Informed Consent.

@Bill Price

Intriguing idea, though I suspect that anti-vaxxers may not be very welcoming of that. Freedumb, and all that, y’know.

@ToddW

Freedumb for me but not for thee, and all that, y’know.

FTFY. 😉

Dr. Bob thinks the right response to the Pan/Allen bill is to send people to NVIC: https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=851016828270136&id=116317855073374

It’s such a relief that he’s not, in fact, anti-vaccine.

Dr. Jay Gordon also had a “problem” with California AB 2109. In fact, he went on a local radio program on March 30, 2012 to disparage the bill (since scrubbed from his website). He also consulted an attorney to find out about advising his patient’s parents about the pros and cons of providing the first MMR II vaccine between 12-15 months of age (his recommendations used to be to get the first MMR II vaccine at 4-6 years of age, for school entry, now he claims he recommends the first MMR II at age three). He’s also bragging now (since the start of the measles Disneyland Parks outbreak) that “he provided 35 MMR II vaccines in one day…more MMR vaccines than he provided during January-December 2014”.

From Dr. Sears “opinion” published on the O.C. Register….

“….Last year’s 640 cases were an anomaly because over 400 occurred in one Amish community in New York and over 100 cases hit an unvaccinated church community in Texas. But for the rest of highly-vaccinated America, last year’s measles was business as usual. This year we are off to a tough start, but it’s slowing down….”

I don’t seem to recall major outbreaks in an Amish community in New York State or in a Texas religious community during 2014.

Dr. Bob Sears…dyslexic or a liar?

Wasn’t that this outbreak http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2014/06/24/323702892/measles-outbreak-in-ohio-leads-amish-to-reconsider-vaccines where they did all the typical public health measures including vaccination to get the measles outbreak stopped?

This just came up on the New Republic site:

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/121103/anti-vaccinators-unconvinced-science-showing-no-autism-link?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_term=TNR%20Daily%20Newsletter&utm_campaign=Daily%20Newsletter%202%2F20%2F15

I don’t recognize the name of the author, who doesn’t appear to be a New Republic regular. The article suggests taking a gentle approach towards anti-vaccine people, while presenting data about large increases in autism. There is a rebuttal of the vaccines vs. autism argument, but not a very good one.

I think that someone should contact the New Republic and request an invited article that treats the subject more seriously.

The Texas Eagle Mountain Church cases were in 2013, and there were less than 30 of them, mostly unvaccinated children ( http://www.npr.org/2013/09/01/217746942/texas-megachurch-at-center-of-measles-outbreak ).

And the Texas church folks, like the Amish, chose to vaccinate once the measles hit their community.

How does someone who is supposed to be a medical professional fail to fact check medical information?

over 400 occurred in one Amish community in New York

OK, 383 cases in Ohio, but NEAR ENOUGH.

Sears’ point is that all previous outbreaks of measles among under-vaccinated populations don’t count because they were outbreaks among under-vaccinated populations.

“15 had 1 or more doses of MMR vaccine.”

I do wish they would break that down into those who had received all doses and those who hadn’t.

And then he can claim this one doesn’t count either, since it’s also among an under-vaccinated population, at least in California

Sears’ goal, I think, is to reassure his readers that measles outbreaks only happen to outgroups — Amish, southern snakehandlers — and pose no threat to *normal* people.

Chemmomo – they do try to find out who is vaccinated and who isn’t but they require proof to be provided and don’t just accept the cases’ word that they are vaccinated. Most people will say they they’re sure they had their shots, but no records exist. It is a grueling PH process. Plus the unvaccinated have now been instructed to lie to PH investigators and claim they were in fact vaccinated. Gotta love it.

DGR – the economics discussion is entirely valid. In a time of rapidly dwindling PH dollars the bills being racked up during these investigations mounts rapidly. That is the direct cost to PH, but it also hits the hospitals too. Imagine the hit they take to track down all of the patients in a waiting room to find out who is vaccinated, to offer vaccine to those exposed, to verify vaccination status of staff, to lose staff members to voluntary quarantine, etc. Plus, parents and families bear a huge cost. It is no picnic (as some have pointed out on social media) to be informed your infant is exposed and quarantined for three weeks. Particularly if you and your spouse work. Who is staying home with baby? I guarantee most workers don’t have three weeks of paid leave saved up to use, so the household income takes a hit. Or in some circumstances they parent may lose their job. Or be forced to lie and send the baby to daycare (perhaps unlicensed) so they can afford to pay rent. These are the challenges faced and these costs hurt everybody in the community. It should be talked about because explaining that to even some die hard health freedom idiots can cause them to think about the monetary damages that are incurred by the unvaccinated. I like freedom as much as anyone but as the old saying goes, your freedom to swing your fist ends at the tip of my nose.

To echo all the previous points in response to DGR. Yes the economics case is perfectly valid.

Discussing the economic cost IS crass if that’s what you privilege and that’s all you talk about. This is not a topic for a Freakanomics piece. Wrap the economic cost in the human cost going and coming.

Kiiri hits some of the more immediate human costs above. Phlebas makes the wider case: “If you pay for some treatments you can’t afford others.” Where’s that money to treat all the measles cases going to come from? The same fixed pool of resources. What happens to people who can’t get those resources now devoted to measles? They get sick. They die.

Gray Falcon

Remember, Hawaii’s native population was nearly driven to extinction by measles. They had plenty of exercise and good nutrition. What were they missing, then?

MLM supplement marketing schemes.

But it hasn’t killed anyone in the past 15 years or more.

Quite apart from being untrue, that’s not exactly an obviously self-justifying cut-off point, is it?

I mean, why the year 2000?

We need something a lot more dangerous than that if we are going to rob each and every patient of the sacred right of informed consent.

I believe that particular right is secular. Actually.

Is it the wild type causing the outbreak? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23543773

Is it the wild type causing the outbreak? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23543773

Yes.

Same type as that most commonly found in the Philippines. Where 110 people died of measles last year.

http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-measles-20150218-story.html

^^That would be genotype B3.

The vaccine strain is A.

Yes indeed, the measles genotype identified in the Disneyland Parks outbreak is the B 3 genotype, not the A strain:

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6406a5.htm?s_cid=mm6406a5_w#Fig

“….The source of the initial Disney theme park exposure has not been identified. Specimens from 30 California patients were genotyped; all were measles genotype B3, which has caused a large outbreak recently in the Philippines, but has also been detected in at least 14 countries and at least six U.S. states in the last 6 months (1)….”

Is it the wild type causing the outbreak? h_tp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23543773

Yes.

I infer that Ken is really tearing through the script.

Ken is another great example of how the anti-vax show their complete ignorance of immunology……how do they expect to claim that they’ve “done their research” if they don’t even understand the difference in genotype vs. serotype?

Isn’t it disturbing that a big part of the anti measles vaccine involves devaluating deaths by the numbers they occur in, and doing so seemingly arbitrarily? If that single death had occurred to a loved one, they would probably have a different view.

That’s a grim, sad truth for them, poor things. Because, as that LA Times article I posted notes:

Of the 63 measles patients in California with vaccination records, 49 were completely unvaccinated. Twenty-eight were intentionally unvaccinated due to a parent’s personal beliefs, one was on an “alternative plan for vaccination,” and 12 were too young to be immunized, state officials said. Officials did not disclose other reasons patients were not vaccinated.

It’s kind of like watching a car crash in slow motion.

@Lawrence —

It is a crap-shoot….if a child is infected & lacks access to basic medical care, then the odds of suffering a severe complication increases dramatically, as does the chance of death.

The “privileged” anti-vaxers forget that poverty is still extremely prevalent here in the States & that access to medical care is not universal…..

That’s sadly, grimly true, too. But the thing is: Privilege isn’t necessarily a guarantee. (As I’m sure you know; I’m just clarifying.)

…

Honestly, if I could figure out how to protect haters from themselves, I’d die a happy woman. The lack of a solution to that problem is the cause of all the wars in the world.

And yes, Toto “The Rock.” I do mean you. You’re only hurting yourself. Please stop.

(@R. Mutt — Love your nym, btw.)

More epistles from Schadenfreudesville;

Dan Olmsted, today:

” it might be time for the vaccine injury deniers to get out of the marketplace of ideas, because everybody, and I do mean everybody, is convinced that they have the expertise and standing to tell the rest of us…

“Zuckerberg … is way too powerful and uninformed for this type of cheap and easy commentary…

” Who’s studying at the University of Google now?

“Snap out of it, fellow journalists, you’re laying down a personal track record that will come back to haunt you..”

AND there’s even more. He mentions Rolling Stone.

The world must be a blissful place for those who are not equipped with self-awareness.

Re: comments 52 – 59, I know its been mentioned before, but I just wanted to add that, while the vaccine and wild type measles are different genotypes, there is only one measles serotype, which is why the vaccine is still protective against wild type measles of different genotypes.

@Ann…of Black Gables
YOU are anti the anti-vaccine orthodox Jewish community! #62
Your thinly veiled prejudice is SHOCKING!
To the jail house for you!
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/oct/20/man-jailed-antisemitic-tweet-labour-mp

Infamous history of a famous “pro-vaxxer”……before vaccines.

“James deWolf built a large warehouse on Thames Street made of heavy timbers and large stone blocks which had been imported from Africa as ballast. Here he loaded and unloaded his slavers and privateers. Not far from the warehouse was his large distillery which was capable of converting 300 gallons of molasses to 250 gallons of rum per day at the cost of about ten cents per gallon. In time, James deWolf became Bristol’s most honored and respected man, but this was not the case in 1790. At that time a Federal Grand Jury, in its first session, returned an indictment of murder for jettisoning a female slave who fell victim to small pox. The indictment read:

…James deWolf, not having the fear of God before his eyes, but being moved and seduced by the instigation of the Devil …did feloniously, willfully and of his malice aforethought, with his hands clinch and seize in and upon the body of said Negro woman …and did push, cast and throw her from out of said vessel into the Sea and waters of the Ocean, whereupon she then and there instantly sank, drownded and died.”
http://www.warwickhistory.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=262:james-dewolf-one-of-the-qgreat-folkq-of-bristol&catid=56:rogues-and-knaves&Itemid=125

Don’t you know? These diseases were brought from Africa with the slave trade. It is the judgement of God. In general, the early slave traders and plantation owners did not have long lives. The practice of inoculation against smallpox came through Cotton Mather’s African slave:

“SLAVES AND SMALLPOX”
http://www.uh.edu/engines/epi518.htm

This was the beginning of our now out-of-control Big Pharma industry.
The vaccines of today carry just as much risk of harm as did the early “inoculation”. Today the risk comes from various vaccine additives coupled with multi-dosing at a very young age, as well as waning immunity. But remember, THE RISK OF HARM OR DEATH FROM SMALL POX bears no resemblance to the relatively benign risk from the so-called “vaccine-preventable” disease. After all, it is all about RISK. For many, the risk of long-term vaccine injury today is greater than risk of injury or death from the current staple of wild-viruses. The goal of eradication is a FALSE one.

PHILIPPINES / MEASLES 2013-2014 TIMELINE

“Washington uses typhoon aid to push for Philippine military bases
By Joseph Santolan
27 November 2013
At a press conference with visiting US congressional delegates on Monday, Philippine Foreign Secretary Albert del Rosario said the US military deployment in the country after Typhoon Haiyan revealed the need to conclude basing arrangements for US forces in the Philippines.
Del Rosario said the massive US military deployment underlined the need for the “framework agreement that we are working on with the United States for increased rotational presence.” He claimed that “humanitarian assistance and disaster relief” would be “a very major aspect of the agreement.”
US congressmen Chris Smith, Trent Franks and Al Green were visiting the Philippines, ostensibly to coordinate US relief efforts. They each spoke at the press conference on the need for a deal to allow US military bases in the country.
Smith, who headed the delegation and is a senior member of the US House Foreign Affairs Committee, baldly stated that “the calamity had a positive effect on the two countries’ bilateral relations.” He added that “ongoing negotiations will all be given a positive boost as a direct result of this.”
Franks declared that the basing of US forces was needed because of “great common potential opponents,” a pointed reference to China. His remark undercut the “humanitarian” mask surrounding the reestablishment of American bases in the Philippines.
Del Rosario’s insistence on concluding basing arrangements with Washington is a significant development in the preparation of a permanent US military presence in the country. This has been under negotiation for the past two years.
Washington has been aggressively pushing its pivot to Asia, and Philippine President Benigno Aquino has made Manila play a leading role as a proxy for US interests in the region.
Negotiations over basing arrangements were nearly finalized in September, when Japan’s Kyodo News Service published details of the deal released by a “senior Philippine marine officer.” The deal included the establishment of an advanced command post in Oyster Bay on the island of Palawan, just sixty miles off the disputed waters of the South China Sea. The US was also looking to establish “joint operational bases” in other parts of Palawan, including Ulugan Bay, and the city of Puerto Princesa. The return of US forces to Subic Bay was a further part of the agreement.
The basing deal would enable the US military to station, on a rotational basis, between 4,000 and 4,500 troops in the country.
There is no humanitarian agenda whatsoever in the construction of these bases. They are all proposed to be built on coasts facing China and the South China Sea, and not along the path of typhoons, which approach the Philippines from the southeast.
The basing arrangements were to be officially announced last month, during President Obama’s scheduled visit to the country. When Obama cancelled his trip to the Asia Pacific amid the US government shutdown, there was political blowback throughout the region.
Political opposition to Aquino emerged and, under the guise of a corruption scandal, attacked Aquino’s failure to balance between Washington and Beijing. The Philippine basing arrangements negotiating team announced that the talks had reached an impasse.
On November 6, two days before Haiyan struck the Philippines, Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin announced that Philippines disagreed with the United States over who would control the proposed bases. No further talks were scheduled.
On November 8, Haiyan slammed into the Philippines’ Eastern Visayas region. It quickly became apparent that the storm had devastated entire areas, with an estimated death toll of 10,000 people announced within 24 hours of landfall. Washington said it would give an initial amount of $100,000. No promises of further aid were made.
For three days, as hundreds of thousands struggled to find food, no more aid was forthcoming from Washington. On November 11, Aquino said bidding was going to open on the construction of basing facilities at Oyster Bay. On the same day, Washington announced that it would deploy nearly 13,000 troops on the USS George Washington aircraft carrier strike group and accompanying amphibious assault vessels, and give $20 million in aid.
Washington seized upon the opportunity afforded it by the catastrophic typhoon. It deployed troops to the region to establish new facts on the ground, justify the basing of forces, and use its aid package to extort a resumption of negotiations.
US Secretary of State John Kerry has now scheduled a visit to Manila in December, which is to be followed by an official state visit by Obama in April 2014. The framework for negotiating and signing the agreement for the basing of US forces is clearly central to the agenda in these trips.
The key figure for negotiating this agreement has now been sent to the Philippines. At the request of the State Department, the US Senate accelerated the approval of Philip Goldberg as the new US ambassador to the Philippines. Kerry swore Goldberg in on November 21 and the ambassador arrived in the Philippines today.
Goldberg worked as US ambassador in Bolivia in 2006-2008, when he was declared persona non grata by President Evo Morales and ordered to leave the country, having been accused of engaging in espionage and working to undermine the government by collusion with separatist organizations.
From 2009 to June 2010, Goldberg served as the US representative responsible for implementing sanctions against North Korea under UN Security Council resolution 1874, a measure introduced by the United States to escalate pressure against Beijing and Pyongyang.
From June 2010 until last week, Goldberg was Assistant Secretary of State for Intelligence and Research (INR). Goldberg was thus the head of one of the 16 key offices of the US intelligence network. He was responsible for conveying the State Department’s instructions to the National Security Agency and other spy organizations and for reporting on intelligence to the secretary of state.
Goldberg served as Clinton and Kerry’s principal intelligence adviser. The INR website states that this office’s mandate is to ensure “that intelligence activities support foreign policy and national security purposes.”
The new ambassador to the Philippines is a man steeped in the US intelligence apparatus. His selection by Obama, and fast-tracked approval by the Senate, clearly indicates the central place that the Philippines holds in Washington’s imperialist game plan.”

“Philip S. Goldberg Ambassador-Designate to the Republic of the Philippines Before the
Senate Foreign Relations Committee September 25, 2013”

“In support of the Obama administration’s rebalance to the Asia-Pacific, we are negotiating a Framework Agreement that would enable an increased rotational presence of U.S. forces to the Philippines, enhance opportunities for joint military

training and exercises, and allow for the prepositioning of equipment and supplies to respond quickly to natural disasters. We also support Philippine efforts to reduce tensions surrounding the territorial disputes in the South China Sea, both through the creation of a Code of Conduct between ASEAN member states and China, and through internationally accepted dispute resolution mechanisms like those provided for under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. Ensuring freedom of navigation and unimpeded lawful commerce in the South China Sea remains an important U.S. national interest shared by the Philippines and others in the region. ”

http://www.foreign.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Goldberg.pdf

“Philip S. Goldberg was sworn in as U.S. Ambassador to the Philippines on November 21, 2013. From June 2010, he served served as the Assistant Secretary of State for the Bureau of Intelligence and Research. Prior to 2010 he served concurrently as the Coordinator for Implementation of UNSC Resolution 1874 on North Korea.”
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/biog/136919.htm

Ambassador to the Philippines: Who Is Philip Goldberg?
Nov. 3, 2013
In 2006, Goldberg was named an ambassador for the first time, and sent to La Paz, Bolivia, for an intended three-year term that ended after two years with Goldberg’s expulsion as a persona non grata. A series of incidents in 2007 and 2008 indicating that U.S. embassy personnel were attempting to recruit Peace Corps volunteers and visiting American scholars as spies raised tensions. That same year, the mainly white and affluent populace of Bolivia’s eastern provinces, who had opposed the 2006 election of Evo Morales, Bolivia’s first indigenous president, forced a bitter recall vote. Even after Morales won, opposition leader Rubén Costas called Morales a “dictator” and hurled the racial slur “macaco” (monkey) at him. Goldberg, who speaks fluent Spanish, surely understood the offensiveness of the comment. When Goldberg met with Costas anyway, Morales accused the U.S. government—which has been a vocal critic of Morales since before his election—of trying to destabilize his regime and expelled Goldberg in September 2008.

From June 2009 until June 2010, he served as the Coordinator for Implementation of UN Security Council Resolution 1874 (Sanctions) on North Korea.

http://www.allgov.com/news/appointments-and-resignations/ambassador-to-the-philippines-who-is-philip-goldberg-131103?news=851552

“U.S. wages war against Philippines using its HAARP weather WMD systems”
http://www.tatoott1009.com/2013/11/15/5min-news-u-s-wages-war-against-philippines-using-its-haarp-weather-wmd-systems-wow-really/

“On 8 November 2013 at 0440 am a category 5 typhoon, Haiyan (locally named Yolanda), made landfall in the Guiuan municipality, Eastern Samar province, moving steadily north into the province of Northern Cebu, with maximum winds of 235 km/hr and severe gusts of 275 km/hr. The typhoon made subsequent landfalls in Tolosa municipality south of Tacloban City, Leyte province, Daanbantayan and Bantayan Island, Cebu province, and Conception, Iloilo province. The typhoon affected the city of Roxas in Capiz province and the tourism centre of Borocay in Aklan province.At least 18 million people live in the worst affected regions. ”

“First reports from Government of the Philippines, UN Disaster Assessment and Coordination Teams (UNDAC) on the ground, and initial eyewitness reports/social media report massive devastation and deaths in areas directly in typhoon path:

 All homes/buildings in the path of the storm have been seriously damaged

 Areas of Cebu, Roxas and Tacloban devastated; Samar, Leyte, Iloilo, Aklan

and Coron badly hit

– Tacloban City – massive damage, large parts of the city flattened. Storm

surge over 7 metres. Entire coastline communities washed away.

– Palo City – very large number of casualties

– Samar – 80% destruction of buildings (see map of damaged houses in Annex 2).

 Power and communications infrastructure have been seriously damaged.

 Seaports and airports remain closed. Transport is very difficult and possible

only by helicopter at the moment

 Security is of concern

In these areas, medical personnel will have been heavily affected and health facilities have been extensively damaged, including submerged ground floors, damaged and destroyed medical supplies, equipment, records, office equipment and buildings.

The Secretary of Health has formally requested assistance from WHO and partners for the immediate deployment of field medical teams (e.g. trauma), and emergency supplies (e.g. trauma kits, supplies, hospital tents). Requests for further assistance are expected.

Major risks to public health:

Major trauma and injuries are the first health concern following a typhoon. They require surgery and post-operative wound care to prevent infection and disability.

Population displacement, overcrowding, poor shelter, exposure, lack of safe water, sanitation and hygiene facilities, vector breeding and poor nutritional status, lead to

– increased communicable disease transmission and potential for outbreaks of

diseases such acute respiratory infections, MEASLES. diarrhea, typhoid fever

and viral enteric diseases.

– increased exposure to vector-borne diseases such as dengue and

chikungunya or malaria. Flooding may initially flush out mosquito breeding, which can restart when the waters recede. The lag time is usually around 6-8 weeks before the onset of increased disease transmission.

– displacement of animal populations leads to human rabies from the bites of infected cats and dogs.

Flooding is a known risk factor for outbreaks of leptospirosis

Disruption of health services and access to health care result from damaged and/or flooded health infrastructure, loss of medicines and supplies, and injured or dead health staff.

Malnutrition and communicable diseases. In children who are already undernourished or malnourished, prolonged and severe infections are more frequent.”

2.3 Diseases associated with displacement, crowding and flooding

Population displacement caused by flooding can result in overcrowding in resettlement areas, raising the risk of transmission of many communicable diseases. Acute respiratory infection, MEASLES, diphtheria, and pertussis are transmitted from person to person through respiratory droplets generated during coughing and sneezing, and the risks are increased when shelters are overcrowded and inadequately ventilated. The transmission of meningitis, waterborne and vector- borne diseases is also increased in such conditions.”

“Measles

There is a moderate to HIGH RISK of measles outbreak. The Philippines continues to report sporadic cases and outbreaks of measles (such as in 2011). National levels of vaccine coverage are RELATIVELY HIGH, however local levels in some of the affected areas are much lower.

Current recommendations are to conduct flood-response MEASLES IMMUNIZATION with vitamin A supplementation for ALL children 6-59 months old, REGARDLESS of their vaccination status, in ALL Internally Displaced People (IDP) SHELTERS that contain more than 1000 people. ”

“Table 1. Routine vaccination coverage at one year of age, 2012, the Philippines:

MEASLES CONTAINING VACCINE 85% coverage

* Official country estimates reported to WHO/UNICEF, 2012” see p. 11

“Malnutrition

This problem is still present in certain areas of the Philippines, particularly for children aged 6-24 months. Under-nutrition is an important underlying factor contributing to childhood mortality, and has also been linked to impaired cognitive development. Anemia in preschool children is considered to be a moderate public health problem. The affected populations will be at increased risk of acute malnutrition if there is a lack of access to appropriate and adequate food, and reduced access to health and nutrition services. This will disproportionately affect vulnerable groups such as young children, pregnant and lactating women and older persons. Children with moderate acute malnutrition (MAM) need urgent food support or they will move into severe acute malnutrition (SAM) and potentially severe infection and death. In 2008, 34% of infants 0-6 months were exclusively breastfed (DHS). Nutritional needs among the flood-affected populations must be addressed urgently. ”

“Immediate priorities:

Provision of food, safe drinking water, appropriate sanitation, shelter, and other

essential non-food items including fuel for cooking

Trauma care for the wounded with tetanus prevention

Provision of medicines and medical supplies

Establishment of emergency primary and secondary care for medical, surgical

and obstetric emergencies

Risk communication to the public

Management of dead bodies with retrieval and identification of victims

MEASLES VACCINATION, and polio vaccination in high risk areas

Establishment of an EARLY WARNING SYSTEM for early detection and response to

outbreaks

http://www.who.int/hac/crises/phl/sitreps/philippines_ph_risk_assessment_16November2013.pdf

NOTE: OVERALL, PHILIPPINES HAD A HIGH VACCINATION RATE AND A CONSISTENT VERY LOW RATE OF MEASLES CASES UNTIL RIGHT AFTER THE TYPHOON HIT. IT WAS AFTER THE VACCINATION CAMPAIGN THAT A HUGE MEASLES OUTBREAK OCCURRED. THE PHILIPPINES MEASLES GENOTYPE IS BEING CALLED B3 and IS ALSO BEING IDENTIFIED AS THE GENOTYPE FOR 9 DISNEY CASES. HOWEVER, ACCORDING OFFICIAL RESEARCH, B3 IS ENDEMIC TO WEST AFRICA. THERE IS A BIG PUSH BY MSM TO BLAME 2014 U.S. OUTBREAK ON PHILIPPINES AND AMISH AID WORKERS THERE.

VERY IMPORTANT CDC GRAPH
“Measles cases by month of rash onset: Philippines, 2009-2014”
Shows confirmed cases made HUGE JUMP in Dec., Jan., and Feb, AFTER TYPHOON VACCINATION CAMPAIGN.
SCROLL to slide 12

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/ed/ciinc/downloads/2014-05-22/Wallace-measles.pdf

DESCRIPTION OF TYPHOON
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/10/us-philippines-typhoon-idUSBRE9A603Q20131110

AMISH OUTBREAK:
“But that’s wrong. The real story behind the 2014 outbreak isn’t on the West Coast. It’s in Ohio Amish country, where a missionary returning from the Philippines turned an otherwise unremarkable year for this virus into one of the worst in recent history. ”
“At the time, this Amish population was generally against vaccination. This, however, wasn’t a matter of religious principle but one of health concerns.

In the 1990s, Miller explained, two Ohio kids allegedly got sick after they took the MMR shot, which protects against measles, mumps, and rubella. Rumors about vaccine safety spread through the Amish community like a virus. “That put a scare in us and we quit,” Miller says. This made it incredibly easy for measles — the most contagious virus known to man — to move through this cluster of unvaccinated individuals.”

“When he returned to Ohio, and fell ill, a doctor misdiagnosed him with Dengue fever, so he continued to pass his disease along to friends and neighbors, many of whom had refused the vaccine out of those concerns over adverse effects.”

“The outbreak that Fletcher spent months working to contain ultimately infected 382 Amish Ohioans by the time it was declared over in August of last year. Nobody died, but nine wound up in the hospital with more serious symptoms.”

“The actual story of the 2014 outbreak complicates the narrative that has developed in the wake of the new outbreak of measles at Disneyland in early 2015: that a growing number of parents, led by Jenny McCarthy, have begun to opt their kids out of vaccinations, letting the disease spread easily.

Federal data shows no drop off in vaccination rates over the past decade
In fact, it’s only about two percent of the population that refuses vaccines outright. All 50 states have had school immunization requirements since the early 1980s, though some now allow medical and philosophical exemptions. Even so, there hasn’t been a drop off in vaccination rates in the past decade, the National Immunization Survey shows. Coverage for the MMR vaccine stands at 92 percent.”

http://www.vox.com/2015/1/29/7929791/measles-outbreak-2014

This got cut off #78
CDC whistleblower Dr. William Thompson admitted to scientific fraud, covering up a link with MMR vaccine given on schedule and an increased risk of autism, especially in African-American boys.
If this is true, one would expect a high autism rate in Mississippi, a state with a FORCED 99% vaccine coverage. Well, THERE IS A HIGH AUTISM RATE IN MISSISSIPPI:

“Mississippi Autism Advisory Committee Report: 2013 Recommendations for the Mississippi Legislature”

“Dear Legislators,

I am pleased to submit the report from the Mississippi Autism Advisory Committee detailing the findings and recommendations of our committee.

The dramatic growth in the number of children affected by autism spectrum disorders (ASD) now constitutes a public health crisis. An estimated 10,174 Mississippi children have autism – an increase in incidence from 1 in 500 to 1 in 88 within the last decade. Statistics from the Mississippi Department of Education show a 563% percent rise in the number of public school children with autism in the past 11 years. Throughout the state of Mississippi, families and systems of care are struggling to meet the needs of individuals with ASD across their life span.

Autism is a neurodevelopmental disorder that impairs a person’s ability to communicate and socialize. It is characterized by restricted and repetitive behaviors. It typically appears within the first three years of life and can range from mild to severe. There is no known cause, and no known cure.

It can cost as much as $3.2 million to care for an individual with autism across their lifespan. If the state’s children currently living with autism do not overcome their challenges by the time they reach adulthood, it could cost Mississippi taxpayers more than 32 billion dollars over the next 50 years. We know early and intensive therapy can improve outcomes but, even though Autism is a biomedical brain disorder, insurance companies routinely exclude coverage for ASD. Thirty-two states have enacted Autism Insurance Reform laws to ensure necessary treatment is provided. Mississippi is NOT one of those states. Coverage will result in significant long-term cost savings to health care and educational systems.

The number of students with ASD in public schools has increased dramatically. Most teachers do not receive training on ASD prior to entering the school system as many teacher preparation programs contain little to no autism related curriculum. There are also no institutions for higher learning in Mississippi offering a specialty program or degree in the area of Autism. One of the few bright spots in the training of professionals to work with the ASD population is through a collaborative effort of The Mississippi Department of Education and the University of Southern Mississippi.

Our report focuses on two key recommendations. This is not an exhaustive list of remedies but will lay the critical foundation needed to address the autism crisis in Mississippi.

On behalf of individuals with ASD, their families and the professionals who work with them, the Mississippi Autism Advisory Committee stands ready to assist in the implementation of these recommendations. ”

http://www.dmh.ms.gov/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/2013-MAAC-Report-Final_1.13.2014.pdf

Someone got their Internet privileges back at the asylum.

Ignore him.

IIRC, trolling is not generally a reason to have one’s Internet usage restricted whilst one is in an inpatient facility.

I’ll take the advice to ignore him, though.

JP @83 — I am impressed, though, by the presence of paragraph breaks. They’re often missing in screeds of this sort.

palindrom:

I don’t know that that’s a credit to Toto, since most of the above verbiage seems to be copypasta.

Addendum to post #79

“FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE-AUGUST 27,2014

STATEMENT OF WILLIAM W. THOMPSON, Ph.D., REGARDING THE 2004 ARTICLE EXAMINING THE POSSIBILITY OF A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN MMR VACCINE AND AUTISM

My name is William Thompson. I am a Senior Scientist with the Centers for Disease Control and
Prevention, where I have worked since 1998.

I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics. The omitted data suggested that African American males who received the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for autism. Decisions were made regarding which findings to report after the data were collected, and I believe that the final study protocol was not followed.”
http://www.morganverkamp.com/august-27-2014-press-release-statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regarding-the-2004-article-examining-the-possibility-of-a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/

MISSISSIPPI vaccination rate: 99.7%
http://www.msdh.state.ms.us/msdhsite/_static/23,15969,341.html

MISSISSIPPI African – American population: 38%

MISSISSIPPI autism rate: 1 in 88, a 563% percent rise in the number of public school children with autism in the past 11 years.
http://www.dmh.ms.gov/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/2013-MAAC-Report-Final_1.13.2014.pdf

Note: 1986 rollout of new vaccine schedule coincides with beginning of autism epidemic; hence, a call for the 2004 case study examining increased risk of autism with timing of administration of MMR.

REPRESENTATIVE POSEY OF FLORIDA (House Science, Space, and Technology Committee) is in possession of an estimated 150,000 non-redacted pages of CDC vaccine safety documents sent to him electronically, by WHISTLEBLOWER William Thompson on September 8, 2014. NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE WITH THEM. Dr. Thompson still works for the CDC.
OBVIOUSLY, vaccines are not safe and effective.

#CDCWhistleblower Update: US Congressman Posey’s Office In Possession of Up To 100,000 CDC Whistleblower Documents
Posted on September 8, 2014 by ChildHealthSafety
By: Ben Swann Sep 8, 2014
CDCwhistleblower
Congressman Bill Posey’s office has confirmed exclusively toBenswann.com that a “very large number” of documents have been turned over by CDC scientist, Dr. William Thompson, who has admitted that the CDC suppressed information about the links between the MMR vaccine and autism in some cases.
According to Congressman Posey’s spokesman, George Cecala, “I can confirm that we have received a very large number of documents and we are going through those documents now. There are a lot of them, so it will take some time.” Cecala could not say exactly how many documents are in possession of the Congressman’s staff though sources tell me that as many as 100,000 documents have been handed over.
Read rest of article here:
Update: Congressman’s Office In Possession of 100,000 CDC Whistleblower Documents? By: Ben Swann Sep 8, 2014

Dr. Hooker’s letter: Alleged scientific misconduct, CDC: VACCINES SAFETY STUDY! (CDC Whistleblower co-author, Dr. William Thompson)
http://media.wix.com/ugd/b3aa2b_da6435ff9a2144d6aa3358fec58550af.pdf

U.S. Media Blackout: Italian Courts Rule Vaccines Cause Autism – See more at: http://healthimpactnews.com/2015/u-s-media-blackout-italian-courts-rule-vaccines-cause-autism/#sthash.4qLpb5A5.dpuf

Oldies but Goodies:
PLEASE READ ENTIRE ARTICLE
http://www.whale.to/a/blaylock.html

Scientific Review of Vaccine Safety Datalink Information June 7-8, 2000 Simpsonwood Retreat Center Norcross, Georgia
http://thinktwice.com/simpwood.pdf

1999 CDC Thimerosal safety report by Dr. Verstraeten (prompted Simpsonwood meeting above)
http://www.ashotoftruth.org/sites/default/files/exhibit_22_-_verstraeten_et_al_1999_abstract_risks_of_autism.pdf

maybe their chiropractors and naturopaths will start doing free clinics.

Oh, they do. Here in Ithaca, our free clinic is staffed by a few doctors and nurses and a numerous supply of chiropractors, acupuncturists, aromatherapists, nutritionists, massage therapists, etc. This town is fairly overflowing with woo-sters, so the oversupply means that they have time to volunteer.

# ann #85

Yes! ‘Fountain’ a mass manufactured porcelain urinal laid on it’s back and signed with the pseudonym ‘R. Mutt’ was named the most influential work in the history of modern art by a panel of expert critics, and deservedly so. http://tinyurl.com/ycmrd27

Unveiled 98 years ago, it continues to befuddle viewers and fight back against the arts world’s attempts to tame and contain it. “Duchamp adamantly asserted that he wanted to ‘de-deify’ the artist.’ For which, of course, he was deified for his genius. Art historians say ‘the original’ Fountain from 1917 is ‘lost’. In 1964, Duchamp produced eight “authorized replicas” by signing “R. Mutt” on similar urinals. One of those was sold at auction for $1.7 million in 1999, and is now in the permanent collection of the Tate Modern.

Duchamp was a chess master (literally), and he thought many steps ahead in the art game as well. He knew anyone who would pay massive sums for a urinal just because HE had painted the fake name on the side was missing the point, which just made the point all over again. The only way to checkmate Fountain would be if everyone stopped having an opinion about it. Not gonna happen. Your move.

Yappy little dog remains yappy and little.

It also changed “the” to “The” in this latest discharge swell, which wasted about 30 seconds of my time.

IIRC, trolling is not generally a reason to have one’s Internet usage restricted whilst one is in an inpatient facility.

No, I don’t imagine that “trolling” is, given the whole limited access to so much as landlines and people who inventory, sequester, and issue receipts for your personal property parts.

@Narad:

Many inpatient psych facilities have computers with internet access these days, though yes, one is not allowed to keep a personal laptop, or a pen, or shoelaces. (And the amount of time one may spent on the Internet is limited, given limited computer access.) In short, I know what the f*ck I’m talking about.

It made me laugh a bit, mirthlessly, when I was talking to a former student with whom I have become friendly about the dearth of academic jobs in the humanites. “Well, you know a bunch of lanugages, there’s always, like, the CIA, right?” “Son, I’m reasonably certain the CIA would not touch me with a ten foot pole.”

^ “not super funny.”

University-affiliated, maybe.

“Featuring exclusive interviews with the world’s most acclaimed experts in research, medicine, holistic care and natural health”

I’m guessing that “the world’s most acclaimed experts” will turn out to be people like Russell Blaylock, Sherri Tenpenny, Joe Mercola, Mike Adams, Tetyana “I have a PhD in Science” Obukhanych etc.

Always amusing to see how “the world’s most acclaimed experts” are highly believable when they’re a handful of fringe wackos, but thousands of scientists who are both qualified and acclaimed should be ignored, because Moms Without Brains say so.

@ sadmar:

I’ve seen similar recently (IIRC @ PRN) but thanks.

@ Annie:

Thanks, that’s great: I absolutely refuse to pay any money to view woo-fraught films, broadcasts, lectures or books. These miserable people are rich enough and/ or have exposure enough already without my contribution adding to it.

Whilst we’re on the subject of film**, I just viewed/ scanned an interview with AJW ( courtesy of Thinking Moms’ Revolution facebook/ GMO Free News) with Mmes Hallal and Spencer.
Although it is EXACTLY what is to be expected, for FIFTY TWO minutes, a few moments stand out-

@ about 26, Andy declares that if there was indeed any fraud surrounding his 1998 study, it was neither on his part nor on that of his colleagues but can be attributed to Mr Deer and BMJ. who “concocted a story”.
@ about 33 on- he harps on single vaccines rather than combinations and admits that GMOs may be problematic.

** I know, I know, I could have got into my car, driven 3 miles and seen *Timbuktu* at the Artsy Cinema prior to the Oscars.
But I chose to watch tripe because I want to inform my compatriots. I so good.

I beat you to it, Denice, That YouTube interview took place two days ago and I viewed it yesterday.

According to Andy, vaccinations are “population control”. Has anyone told Andy that the grunge look (unshaven with greasy hair), is not the way to impress anyone with your awesomeness?

@ lilady:

Sure he isn’t exactly lovely: who knows- perhaps he’s attempting to attract a particular demographic/ age cohort ( white women who are of an age to have been in that faction as teenagers in the 1990s or who wanted to be Kate Moss?) so he may be astute stylistically.

I shouldn’t talk: twenty-odd year olds like *my* hair.

Oh, and glad to see that Toto has given it a rest, I’ve got an ache in my scrolling finger.

Toto, thanks for your honesty. Most anti-vaccine activists hide behind the “pro safe vaccine” smokescreen. .
And keep laughing.

unshaven with greasy hair

That’s not sebum, it’s product. I’d also expect someone cultivating the stubbly look to use a purpose-built razor.

As I guard others’ privacy more than my own, I can’t really say much more.

My own privacy is hardly airtight anymore, I think, given the things I’ve mentioned here and there and my intials. Nu, like I said, it’s not like I’m going to be joining the CIA any time soon anyway.

Aha!

Chrome and Firefox users, go here: https://github.com/fizbin/killfile-extension

The following isn’t a dog whistle piece as these three persons all apparently freely cop to being antivaxers, but it’s useful in that we get to see admitted antivaxers using the dog whistle code, which makes it a lot harder for others to use it and still pretend they’re not really anti-vaccines:

http://www.aol.com/article/2015/02/22/anti-vaccine-mothers-discuss-their-thinking-amid-backlash/21145398/

Aha!

Chrome and Firefox users, go here

“As such, some of the code may have suffered from bitrot in the meantime and needs retesting on all supported blogs.”

Have you tested it? There is a working, if unfancy, Greasemonkey solution already. This (here, at least) comes down to pattern-matching on Javascript and rendering.

If this offering doesn’t have to load and then redraw the page, I’m interested.

@Stranger

Do you have a source for the information that he was not vaccinated?

@Liz, thanks.

After I posted that I did see an article that states he received every vaccine on the schedule except for the MMR.

http://www.thelocal.de/20150223/measles-cancels-classes-at-berlin-school

Stranger — but…but it was natural, donchaknow. Natural is always better.

Does anyone know why there’s a difference in the past ten years’ measles deaths that CDC reports (2) and the measles deaths the Bureau of Vital Statistics reports (10)? Different reporting protocols?

Review of “Bought” by James Cooper who has a Ph.D in chemistry and who describes the movie as “tedious nonsense”, “Full of appalling misinformation”.

http://www.examiner.com/article/bought-movie-full-of-appalling-misinformation

He names all the talking heads, too. A mort of chiropractors.

And many other things but I don’t have the time to dis-entangle the myriad alusions and metaphors.

She pretty much tanks the whole Twoof-Out! routine with this:

“Death did not make the cut for Reiss within that issue, nor does it in the vaccine debate—unless the deaths can be ascribed to those who resist corporate control, which, within the current US vaccination debate, are negligible since, so far, none have died from measles in ten years while, according to the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System, over 100 deaths have been logged in association with the measles, mumps and rubella vaccine.”

The “to borrow from Hindu scripture” boner is hilarious, though.

invoking referencing J. Robert Oppenheimer.

She then promptly demonstrates having never heard of Minkowski:

“Einstein’s original vision for relativity—which spoke to the idea of a space-time continuum and peaceful means of generating power—was derailed to the great regret of Einstein himself.”

And, apparently, that she didn’t bother to read her source, which urges development of the bomb.

Lorentz and FitzGerald have a sad.

Einstein wasn’t sorry, aether.

Annie @#129

After I posted that I did see an article that states he received every vaccine on the schedule except for the MMR.

Is Wakefraud going to paint a little silhouette of a child or maybe a coffin on the front fender of his car to take credit for his kill?

#142
“The newest vaccine conspiracist rhetorical device I’ve heard is, “we’re pro-science because science is about inquiry and we want more inquiry””

All pro-vaxxers consider any paper published by the CDC’s Frank DeStefano to be pure science, infallible, and above reproach.
http://www.iom.edu/reports/2004/immunization-safety-review-vaccines-and-autism.aspx
http://www.jpeds.com/article/S0022-3476(13)00144-3/pdf

AMAZINGLY, this science GOD didn’t have the foreknowledge to refuse to do research with the now infamous WHISTLEBLOWER William Thompson! Surely, he would have sensed this man’s scientific inadequacy beforehand. Surely, he would have been willing to quit his job, if forced to work with him!

But of course, HE DID NO SUCH THING! Amazingly, his COAUTHOR, Dr. William Thompson, actually admitted to SCIENTIFIC FRAUD, in writing, through his lawyer, regarding this 2004 case study acquitting Merck’s MMR vaccine.
http://www.morganverkamp.com/august-27-2014-press-release-statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regarding-the-2004-article-examining-the-possibility-of-a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/

But of course, our Scientist Superman DeStephano quickly set the record straight:
“I guess, that, that is a possibility,” said DeStefano. “It’s hard to predict who those children might be, but certainly, individual cases can be studied to look at those possibilities.”
He continues to stutter and sputter through his interview with Sharyl Attiksson: http://sharylattkisson.com/cdc-possibility-that-vaccines-rarely-trigger-autism/

On Sept. 8, 2014, Whistleblower protected Thompson sent an estimated 100,000 pages of CDC vaccine safety DOCUMENTS, through his lawyer, to Congressman Bill Posey, a member of the House Space, Science, and Technology Committee. Congressman Posey had not requested these documents. NO REPORT OR ANALYSIS OF THESE CDC DOCUMENTS HAVE BEEN RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC! It has now been almost 6 months. OUR CHILDREN’S SAFETY IS AT STAKE!

PRO-VAXXERS CONSIDER THESE DOCUMENTS TO BE TRUE AND SCIENTIFIC.
PUT UP OR SHUT UP.
GET ON THE PHONE AND CALL EVERY MEMBER OF THE HOUSE SCIENCE, SPACE, AND TECHNOLOGY COMMITTEE AND DEMAND THAT THESE DOCUMENTS BE MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC VIA THE COMMITTEE WEBSITE. IT IS ALREADY IN A SEARCHABLE NON-REDACTED DATABASE. THIS IS A NO-BRAINER.

My only conclusion, if this is not done immediately, IS THAT THEY ADMIT THAT VACCINES ARE NOT SAFE.

AND BE SURE TO USE ALL CAPS AND/OR YELL AND USE REALLY LONG SENTENCES AND CITE LOTS OF “NEWLY UNCOVERED RESEARCH” BECAUSE THAT MAKES YOU MORE CREDIBLE AND WELL INFORMED AND TOTALLY NOT SEEM CRAZY OR HAVING A MANIC EPISODE.

This is a public service announcement brought to you by everybody who isn’t the government, or the media, or the medical establishment, or big pharma, or, little pharma/CROs, or public health workers, or employers, or educators, or the poor and underprivileged, or the vast majority of parents who protect their kids against preventable disease, or people who don’t have kids who casually observe this stuff and think it’s bullshit, or infants, or the faith community, or people who work in underdeveloped countries for NGOs, or the immunocompromised, or the elderly, or, basically, not you and your 400 online “friends.”

Great, now I’m doing it. Don’t feel bad, it’s easy to get sucked in.

I take it the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor again.

Rock, paper, scissors….rock, rock, Who wins?
This is better than TV!
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20060119/1225216.shtml

See comment 3.

Dorit said this:
“Dr. Humphries’ reading of the Bible is simplistic and problematic, because she assumes that God objects to gradual accumulation of human knowledge and to the use of that knowledge to fulfill the basic commandments of preserving life. Unsurprisingly, those with experience in actually interpreting and applying Jewish law conclude differently, and support the vaccination effort, up to mandating it. The basis for this view is the importance of life and health in Jewish law and the prohibition against placing life or health in unreasonable danger.”

Read more: Suzanne Humphries’ bad advice on the Polio vaccine | Dorit Rubinstein Reiss | The Blogs | The Times of Israel http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/suzanne-humphries-bad-advice-on-the-polio-vaccine/#ixzz3SiJ5IkAU
Follow us: @timesofisrael on Twitter | timesofisrael on Facebook

So Dorit, how do you explain this?

“Ultra-Orthodox communities refusing the 50-year-old vaccine were linked to a third of US measles cases last year
BY RENEE GHERT-ZAND December 11, 2013, 12:16 pm
http://www.timesofisrael.com/measles-vaccine-developer-warns-jewish-anti-vaxxers/

So Dorit, how do you respond to this accusation?

“As a taxpayer in California, I want to know if she’s posting on the job and using state resources to voice her personal opinions online. If so, she should be fired.

Like other comments, I do have to wonder how she manages to post around-the-clock. According to sources online, she lives in Fremont, at least a 48-minute commute from work each way. If she does indeed have children and a job teaching law at a state-funded University, and still finds the time to post constantly in support of the vaccine industry, something is indeed fishy.

Posted by: BShapiro | December 19, 2013 at 01:16 AM”

You do realize, Narad, that between the Middletons, the De Wolfs and the enslaved African offspring that….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBpYgpF1bqQ

So why do you want to hide Dr. William Thompson’s true results? The Rock is watching.

“Intro” to the vaccine safety hearing (Senate)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b5aW08ivHU

Senator Elizabeth Warren dishes on the word “safe’.
I guess the Vaccine General has a bar for every child “shot”.
Please note the gentleman to the right of Senator Warren……..LOL!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79UlXgoQwGk

Of course, Italy, does not live in the Twilight Zone:
http://www.zengardner.com/us-media-blackout-italian-court-rules-vaccines-cause-autism/

As a taxpayer in California, I want to know if she’s posting on the job and using state resources to voice her personal opinions online. If so, she should be fired.

Silly Toto, university professors aren’t paid by the hour, and they are encouraged to use university resources in outreach.

#163 @justthestats
Are you Dorit? What University? Are you employed by them as well?
What does “in outreach” mean? That sounds like a church activity, not a scientific one.
If that is your best excuse, it certainly seems that B. Shapiro’s comments are close to the mark.

Not to speak for Dorit, but my explanation would be that it appears those Orthodox communities’ reading of the scripture is also simplistic and problematic.

“79% of cases were in persons aged ≥12 months in three extended families whose members declined use of measles vaccine.”*

There are a number of things going on with Brooklyn haredim – deliberate lack of education, poverty, large families,** crowding in homes and yeshivas – and there are overarching cranks such as Shmuel Kamenetzky, but this is fundamentally not a religiously based phenomenon, a few psaks notwithstanding (PDF; see p. 198).

The idiotic practice of carrying on with metzitzah b’peh probably has stronger religious case.

* There was apparently also one miscarriage due to the 2013 outbreak.
** It can be hard to find time to vaccinate when you’ve got eight kids underfoot.

@Toto:

Are you Dorit?

Not the last time I checked. If that changes, I’ll let you know.

What University?

I thought you said she teaches law.

Are you employed by them as well?

I don’t even know who she works for.

What does “in outreach” mean? That sounds like a church activity, not a scientific one.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=define+university+outreach

Could you please post evidence that Mr. Netanyahu has had his TRAVEL VACCINES? We certainly wouldn’t want him to expose THE ENTIRE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TO POLIO!

I think the vast majority of the country would consider that an improvement.

Enough of the mental-illness putdowns; several of my personalities are borderline crazy.

As a taxpayer in California, I want to know if she’s posting on the job and using state resources to voice her personal opinions online. If so, she should be fired.

Silly Toto, university professors aren’t paid by the hour, and they are encouraged to use university resources in outreach.

I imagine that the concept of tenure is also above Tutu’s pay grade. It’s also not a “taxpayer in California,”* but whatever.

I plan to drive over to the CDC and ask Dr. Thompson myself.

* One of many.

@Narad

It would be worth much more than $100. Perhaps my former co-worker, Katie Couric, would be interested. Or even Christiane Amanpour. However, I think Dr. Thompson agreed not to talk to the press. Hmmm. Perhaps I could interest them in tracking down MOST WANTED CDC thief, Paul Thorsen. That would fit in nicely with the storyline.

“OIG Fugitive: Poul Thorsen
Poul Thorsen
From approximately February 2004 until February 2010, Poul Thorsen executed a scheme to steal grant money awarded by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). CDC had awarded grant money to Denmark for research involving infant disabilities, autism, genetic disorders, and fetal alcohol syndrome. CDC awarded the grant to fund studies of the relationship between autism and the exposure to vaccines, the relationship between cerebral palsy and infection during pregnancy, and the relationship between developmental outcomes and fetal alcohol exposure.
Thorsen worked as a visiting scientist at CDC, Division of Birth Defects and Developmental Disabilities, before the grant was awarded.
The initial grant was awarded to the Danish Medical Research Council. In approximately 2007, a second grant was awarded to the Danish Agency for Science, Technology, and Innovation. Both agencies are governmental agencies in Denmark. The research was done by the Aarhaus University and Odense University Hospital in Denmark.
Thorsen allegedly diverted over $1 MILLION of the CDC grant money to his own personal bank account. Thorsen submitted fraudulent invoices on CDC letterhead to medical facilities assisting in the research for reimbursement of work allegedly covered by the grants. The invoices were addressed to Aarhaus University and Sahlgrenska University Hospital. The fact that the invoices were on CDC letterhead made it appear that CDC was requesting the money from Aarhaus University and Sahlgrenska University Hospital although the bank account listed on the invoices belonged to Thorsen.
In April 2011, Thorsen was indicted on 22 counts of Wire Fraud and Money Laundering.
According to bank account records, Thorsen purchased a home in Atlanta, a Harley Davidson motorcycle, an Audi automobile, and a Honda SUV with funds that he received from the CDC grants.
Thorsen is currently in Denmark and is awaiting extradition to the United States.”
https://oig.hhs.gov/fraud/fugitives/profiles.asp

CDC scientific fraud: an update on Dr. Poul Thorsen who authored fraudulent study ‘disproving’ vaccine-autism connection and stole millions of dollars

“(NaturalNews) The very legitimacy of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) as a trustworthy safeguard of public health hangs in the balance as evidence continues to emerge about rampant deception, fraud and even money laundering within the agency. Specifically with regard to vaccines and autism, key players involved in the propaganda campaign to deny this link are now being exposed as liars working on behalf of the vaccine industry.

One such liar is Dr. Poul Thorsen, a Danish scientist who was indicted for stealing millions of dollars from the CDC and using it to cover up vaccine dangers. Thorsen, as you may recall, was heavily involved in producing a stream of fraudulent studies that supposedly “disproved” the now-evident link between vaccines and autism. The CDC has also continually cited Thorsen’s studies as “evidence” that vaccines are safe, declaring the debate to be over in light of their findings.

But, one by one, these and various other studies, including a prominent one published in the journal Pediatrics, are being called into question due to fraud and author conflicts of interest. And to make matters worse, the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) has yet to even follow through with its indictment of Thorsen, who continues to produce phony studies from his cozy position at Sygehus Lillebaelt Hospital in Kolding, Denmark.”

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/046644_MMR_vaccine_autism_scientific_fraud.html##ixzz3SoUL21zO

“You can also contact the White House at 202-456-1414 and request for President Obama to instruct Secretary Kerry and Attorney General Holder to bring Thorsen to the U.S. and prosecute him, and you can call Congressman Darrell Issa, Chairman of the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, at 202-225-3906 and ask for a hearing to be conducted on Thorsen as soon as possible. Further nstructions for doing this can be found in the last paragraph of the following piece by Age of Autism:
AgeofAutism.com. ”

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/046644_MMR_vaccine_autism_scientific_fraud.html##ixzz3SoV3Sljs

This would be a great tool for anyone planning a trip to Denmark…
http://www2.grassvalley.com/prod-spot/2015/06-GVStratus-EDIUS/index.html

Although the actual amount in question is just under 3 billion dollars and not over it. As it happens.

But my point was more that what that page says when speaking for itself is:

Prior to vaccination for it, pertussis regularly killed more than twice as many people in a single year than were compensated in total for any kind of injury from all vaccines combined between 1988 and 2015.

Right. What Lawrence said.

(The “But my point was…” post was addressed to Toto not Lawrence, IOW.)

With a crazy like him around, it can be hard to tell…..