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Tomorrow, antivaxers march on Washington, and, boy, are they excited!

Antivaxers are marching on Washington tomorrow, as they did in 2008. The cast is different (other than Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. and Barbara Loe Fisher), but the dangerous pseudoscientific is the same.

About five weeks ago, I took notice of an event that seems to be getting the antivaccine crankosphere a bit riled up and excited. I’m referring to the so-called “Revolution for Truth” march on Washington being organized by various antivaccine groups, who, emboldened by President Donald Trump’s long, sordid history of expressing antivaccine views, his meeting with antivaccine agitator Andrew Wakefield in secret in August, and his meeting with antivaccine activist Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. in January, really believe that now is their moment and that 2017 will be the antivaccine year. Thanks to, among others, Donald Trump, vaccine policy, which used to be a bastion of bipartisanship, is becoming dangerously politicized, with antivaccine conspiracy theories getting darker and darker. Given that this antivaccine march on Washington will take place tomorrow, I was curious to see what its proponents have been up to as the day nears.

On Sunday, this appeared on the Revolution for Truth Facebook page:

Not surprisingly, the first thing they want their demonstrators (and those who can’t go) to do is to contact the White House and say:

Vaccine injuries are real and devastating. One in 68 children (1 in 42 boys) now has autism. Autism should be declared a national emergency and a higher priority. I support an independent vaccine commission.

This is, of course, typical antivaccine misinformation. Notice the implication that all of this autism is caused by vaccines, when the science is very clear that it is not. I also note that this “independent” vaccine commission that antivaxers want would not truly be “independent. When they say “independent,” they mean a commission run by one of their own, like Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., which could call CDC and FDA witnesses to harass them with questions about vaccines and autism based in pseudoscience. The reason they’re excited about an “independent vaccine commission” is because, after his meeting with then President-Elect Trump, RFK Jr, being RFK Jr., couldn’t help but blab that the then Trump had asked him to chair just such a commission. Hilariously, the transition team quickly slapped him down, saying that no such offer had been made. Unfortunately, damage was done. It was bad enough that Trump would have met with such a die-hard antivaccine crank as RFK Jr. about vaccines and autism, no matter what the reason, and the possibility that Trump might have offered RFK Jr. the chair of an antivaccine commission with the imprimatur of the President on it was an excellent way to undermine confidence in vaccines.

Next up, Revolution for Truth wants antivaxers to contact their Senators and Congressional Representatives to demand that they subpoena CDC scientist William Thompson, a.k.a. the “CDC whistleblower” (at least since 2014, anyway). Thompson, of course, is a rather bitter, clueless man who appears to have had a falling out with his co-authors on one of the seminal papers looking for a correlation between MMR and autism—it didn’t find one—because he believed that the way the report was written up was not sufficiently transparent about how it corrected for confounders in a subgroup where the study found an apparently elevated risk of autism associated with MMR vaccination. The story is too long to go into in much detail, but suffice to say that the association was almost certainly spurious, as it went away with more controls. Thompson apparently nursed a grudge for nearly a decade and, for whatever reason, decided to start unloading on and confiding in Brian Hooker, a biochemical engineer turned antivaxer and incompetent epidemiologist, providing him with the original data to mangle with a “reanalysis” so epically incompetent that a brand new journal actually retracted the paper.

Unfortunately for poor, clueless Dr. Thompson, Hooker recorded their conversations without his knowledge. Even more unfortunately for Thompson, somehow Andrew Wakefield got wind of the existence of those recordings, obtained them from Hooker, and then made a video featuring cherry picked quotes by Thompson venting to Hooker. Basically, the whole thing is, when objectively examined, a big nothingburger. However, because it confirms in antivaxers’ fragile eggshell minds the central conspiracy theory of the antivaccine movement, namely that there’s evidence that vaccines cause autism that is being “covered up” by The Man, the “CDC whistleblower” conspiracy theory had legs. (Not surprisingly, Thompson’s silence since lawyering up two and a half years ago only contributes to the conspiracy theory, with some antivaxers believing that The Man has gotten to Thompson.) While it was fascinating to watch close-up the birth of a new conspiracy theory, dealing with it has become a major headache for pro-science advocates because antivaxers have basically gone wild on social media over it and used it as a rallying point. Meanwhile, Andrew Wakefield and Del Bigtree have made an antivaccine propaganda movie, VAXXED, that has become a rallying point. Not surprisingly, a large part of the movie is about the “CDC whistleblower.”

Since the last time I took note of this attempt to party like it’s 2008, which was the last time there was an “major” antivaccine march on Washington; i.e., the “Green Our Vaccinesmarch, led by Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey. Only this time around, the cast of characters is different. Scheduled to speak at “Revolution for Truth” are: Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., Barbara Loe Fisher, Minister Tony Muhammad, Del Bigtree, Brian Hooker, PhD, Paul Thomas, MD, Judy Mikovits, PhD, Toni Bark, MD, Marcella Piper-Terry, Kent Heckenlively, Diane Hennacy Powell, MD, Sheila Lewis Ealey, Jennifer Margulis, PhD, Zen Honeycutt, Robert Moxley, Tami Canal, Sherrie Saunders, Jim Turner, and Alexis Baden-Meyer. We’ve met some of them before, but others we have not. For instance, I had never heard of Alexis Baden-Meyer before, but apparently her primary gig is anti-GMO, if her TruthOut page is any indication. That’s not surprising, as anti-GMO and antivaccine go together like pizza and beer. Of course, in this case the beer and pizza are both crappy. Maybe I should say they go together like cat poop and a litter box. Robert Moxley, on the other hand, appears to be a criminal defense attorney in Wyoming (!) who also does civil litigation regarding—you guessed it!—”vaccine injury.” Sherrie Saunders was a medic in the Army who has now gone antivaccine over her having given anthrax vaccine to soldiers and now thinks that the Gulf War syndrome is—surprise! surprise!—an adverse reaction to the anthrax vaccine due to “animal protein” in the vaccine. Not surprisingly, she’s been interviewed by the VAXXED crew.

Not surprisingly, excitable fellow that he is, Kent Heckenlively is all fired up to go to the rally. Oddly enough, he’s already provided his intended remarks, which to me would mean that his speech would be the perfect time for a bathroom or coffee break. He’s also provided it in all caps, which is even more appropriate. I thought about typing out the excerpt I’m going to provide, because all caps bother me, but then I decided just to copy and paste because (1) all caps is very appropriate for anything Heckenlively writes; (2) I’m lazy; and (3) I was up late last night doing emergency surgery and don’t have a lot of time before I have to leave for work. Get a taste of what attendees will be hearing:

IT WAS A BIT OF A SURPRISE TO FIND THAT THE SAME VILLAINS WHO HAD BEEN RESISTING AN HONEST INVESTIGATION INTO CHRONIC FATIGUE SYNDROME CALLED FOR BY DR. MIKOVITS, WERE THE ONES I HAD KNOWN FOR YEARS WERE RESISTING AN HONEST INVESTIGATION INTO AUTISM CALLED FOR BY DR. ANDY WAKEFIELD.

THAT’S WHY I WROTE THE BOOK, INOCULATED: HOW SCIENCE LOST ITS SOUL IN AUTISM, TO GIVE A BEHIND THE SCENES ACCOUNT OF NOT JUST WHISTLE-BLOWER, DR. WILLIAM THOMPSON’S CLAIM OF CORRUPTION AT THE CDC REGARDING VACCINES AND AUTISM, BUT TO GIVE A WIDER VIEW OF THE AMAZING CAST OF AVENGERS WHO ARE FIGHTING THIS ENORMOUS EVIL. I WANTED TO FOCUS ON DR. BRIAN HOOKER, WHO BEFRIENDED THE WHISTLE-BLOWER, AND IS A LIVING EXAMPLE OF HIS CHRISTIAN FAITH IN HOW HE LOVED THE SINNER WHO WAS DR. WILLIAM THOMPSON, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME HE HATED THE SIN. I WANTED TO HAVE A GOOD DEAL OF SPACE DEVOTED TO DR. ANDY WAKEFIELD, WHO HAS SUFFERED SO GRATLY, BUT TO WHOM WE ALL OWE SO MUCH.

A GREAT DEBT IS OWED TO ROBERT KENNEDY, JR., WHO COULD HAVE HAD A QUIET, PEACEFUL LIFE, TRYING TO GET MERCURY OUT OF FISH, BUT INSTEAD CHOSE TO TRY AND GET MERCURY OUT OF OUR KIDS, AND CALLED DOWN THE WRATH OF THE PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES ON HIS HEAD. AND I WANTED TO WELCOME NEW RECRUITS TO THE FOLD, LIKE MINISTER TONY MUHAMMAD FROM THE NATION OF ISLAM, A TRUE WARRIOR AND LION OF THE LORD.

YOU SEE, IT IS NOT SCIENCE WHICH OPPOSES US. IT IS A FEW EVIL AND TWISTED SCIENTISTS WHO HAVE FORGOTTEN THAT SCIENCE IS SUPPOSED TO MAKE THE LIFE OF HUMANITY BETTER, NOT LINE THE POCKETS OF THE PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES.

HONEST SCIENCE, SCIENCE WHICH IS IN ACCORD WITH THE PRINICPLES OF HUMANITY, WANTS TO ALLEVIATE SUFFERING. THAT IS THE KIND OF FIRECE DEVOTION I FOUND IN DR. JUDY MIKOVITS. IT IS THE SAME KIND OF DEVOTION WHICH DRIVES DR. ANDY WAKEFIELD. I KNOW THERE ARE OTHER SCIENTISTS OUT THERE WHO CAN YET REDISCOVER THE BETTER ANGELS OF THEIR NATURE AND JOIN OUR CAUSE.

AND SO MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS, I BELIEVE THAT SCIENCE CAN GIVE US THE ANSWERS AS TO HOW TO RESCUE OUR LOST CHILDREN. I THINK OF MY OWN DAUGHTER, JACQUELINE, EIGHTEEN YEARS OLD, WITH WHOM I HAVE NEVER HAD A CONVERSATION. I RAISE MY VOICE AGAINST SOME OF THE GREATEST POWERS IN THE LAND BECAUSE IN DOING SO I HOPE MY EFFORTS WILL ONE DAY HELP HER FIND HER VOICE. IF THAT MAKES ME AN OUTLAW, IF IT MAKES FRIENDS AND FAMILY MEMBERS TURN AWAY FROM ME, IF IT MAKES ME A NON-PERSON IN THE EYES OF THE MEDIA, IF IT MAKES ME A DEPLORABLE, SO BE IT. I WILL WEAR THAT NAME AS A BADGE OF HONOR.

THIS IS A GREAT CAUSE IN WHICH WE FIGHT, PERHAPS THE GREATEST OF OUR TIME. WE FIGHT FOR NOTHING LESS THAN THE SURVIVAL OF HUMANITY.

The “greatest” fight of our time? A fight for “nothing less than the survival of humanity”? It’s just “evil and twisted” scientists who oppose us? (What’s next? Dr. Evil cackling and brandishing a syringe?) I’ll give Heckenlively credit. He sure does know how to exaggerate beyond all reality. I suppose that’s to be expected from someone who likes to fancy himself as the Aragorn facing down the Dark Lord Sauron’s hordes, even though his forces are hopelessly outnumbered, in the fantasy novel and movie The Lord of the Rings. It also fits with the overall tone of the march, which conflates “freedom” with the the ability to leave children unprotected against deadly diseases just because the marchers believe against all evidence that vaccines cause autism.

Meanwhile, Marco Cáceres, declaring the march as one of “few causes more fundamental,” is quick to lower expectations:

The Mar. 31 rally will not involve the big numbers that have been seen at more recent rallies on Capitol Hill but it would be a mistake to misinterpret that fact as truly reflective of the size of the ever increasing numbers of Americans who are becoming enlightened about environmental risks to their health. It is worth noting that a significant number of people who would otherwise be at the event will be at home caring for children and other relatives who have been sickened or injured by the toxins in our environment, foods, and pharmaceutical products.

Anyone who remembers the “Green Our Vaccine” rally knows that it attracted, at most, a few hundred people. The “Revolution for Truth” rally might attract a bit more, given that Donald Trump is in office, but it won’t be particularly big, either. That’s because, even in the age of Donald Trump, the antivaccine movement remains a pathetic group of cranks. Unfortunately, the amount of mischief and harm it causes belies its size.

And then there’s this, from an email on the Revolution for Truth organizing list:

Its going to be raining on Friday 3/31/2017!

As a result of the storm that is expected in Washington D.C. on Friday afternoon, we had to select a new venue for our Rally. Please plan accordingly for possible inclement weather in the morning. We will still meet at Lafayette Park at 9am to march to the Press Club starting at 9:30am.

After the protest at the Press Club, please plan to be at the JW Marriott in plenty of time for the 1:00pm start time to hear the incredible leaders who are joining forces to defend Health Freedom in America!

The current weather forecast appears to show a 90+% chance of rain, along with a thunderstorm. One hates to fall victim to the trap of anthropomorphizing the weather and ascribing causation to correlation, but it’s nonetheless tempting to think that Mother Nature is trying to tell these cranks something. On the other hand, I have to be careful. Saying something like this only feeds their twisted sense of self-importance. 

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236 replies on “Tomorrow, antivaxers march on Washington, and, boy, are they excited!”

I just read the rest of Heckenlively’s rant, in which he seems to compare himself to Nelson Mandela. It’s comedy gold.

I remain impressed by the eagerness with which the antivaxxers welcome Judy Mikovits to their collective bosom, in that she only took up the cause when she needed a new grift (after losing her previous XMRV scam for faking results too transparently).

I’m thinking of the protest against Microsoft, several years ago. As you know, Bill and Melinda Gates are huge supporters of vaccination, so antivaxxers decided to picket Microsoft.
Eighteen people showed up.
Not eighteen thousand, not eighteen hundred, eighteen.

Interestingly enough, I emailed Marco Cáceres because of some problems I saw with his piece on herd immunity. Needless to say, he has not responded and my comment on his blog is still “awaiting moderation”. I guess he is too busy organising?

Well, rain also wrecked a planned “witches’ hex” demonstration against Trump, so it seems Mother Nature is a capricious sort.

“That’s because, even in the age of Donald Trump, the antivaccine movement remains a pathetic group of cranks.”

Does that mean you’re going to be there, too?

Their Facebook event page has several hundreds marked as “going”, so I would also expect the turnout will not match expectations.

They appear to have rented the National Press Club again, as anyone can, and a few anti vaccine activists, including Dr. Toni Bark and Jennifer Margulis, appear scheduled to talk there before hand about the risks of vaccines. I wonder if we silll hear anything new.

Oh, and here is a response by a former military woman to Ms. Saunders’ claims. Unsurprisingly, that video, too, is not reliable.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/vaxfencesitter.org/2016/10/29/vaxxed-tall-tales-from-the-road-army-edition/amp/

The current weather forecast appears to show a 90+% chance of rain, along with a thunderstorm. One hates to fall victim to the trap of anthropomorphizing the weather and ascribing causation to correlation, but it’s nonetheless tempting to think that Mother Nature is trying to tell these cranks something.

Sometimes called called the ‘ Pathetic Fallacy’, I find it particularly satisfying on this occasion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathetic_fallacy?wprov=sfsi1

HONEST

You keep using that word, Mr. Heckenlively. I don’t think it means what you think it means.

In particular, “honest science” does not mean “science that agrees with my preconceived notions,” as Mr. Heckenlively seems to think. Quite the opposite: honest scientists go to great lengths to make sure they are not fooling themselves. It’s much easier to fool yourself than to fool other people.

I suppose we should be grateful that Kent Heckenlively’s speech/rant comes off as so unhinged and self-serving (what with references to “villains” and “evil”, and promoting his book). That sort of thing plays well with hardcore antivaxers, but not so much with the news media and sane elements in Congress.* Kent himself recognizes this, but doesn’t care. “IF IT MAKES ME A NON-PERSON IN THE EYES OF THE MEDIA, IF IT MAKES ME A DEPLORABLE, SO BE IT.”

Sorry Kent, impressing the Donald won’t be quite enough to reverse vaccine policies.

*who might also be a tad uneasy about lining up behind the Nation of Islam.

Sherrie Saunders was a medic in the Army who has now gone antivaccine over her having given anthrax vaccine to soldiers and now thinks that the Gulf War syndrome is—surprise! surprise!—an adverse reaction to the anthrax vaccine due to “animal protein” in the vaccine.

You gotta love all these competing hypotheses regarding what illnesses are caused by vaccines. Here I thought Gulf War Syndrome was caused by aluminium (per Christopher Shaw).

@3 Julian
Great. Now I feel dirty for being forced to tangentially agree with something the loons have come up with. MS should be boycotted for a number of reasons. Their reason isn’t one of them, but MS and Bill Gates should pay for the evil it has inflicted on the world, and how far back they had set computing.

With any luck, this thunder storm will hit their audio system and short it out. If a loon babbles in the mall and no-one can hear it, was there really wasted oxygen?

Does anyone know who is actually behind this? I noted weeks ago that the Revolution4TRUTH website didn’t have an “About Us” page and only listed a few, lame anti-vaccine clubs as supporters. Even on their “Donations” page you can’t find out who you are donating to. They may be sending a check to Charlie Manson in his cell for all they know.
Yes, I’m aware that all these anti-vaccine clubs are all run by the same small group of grifters who create new “Organizations”, with membership = 4, whenever the need arises.
But, who is actually the person behind this? Who thought it up? Who is running it? Who is the head honcho(s)? Who gets the “donations”?
Anybody know?

I’ll also note that missing from their pathetic list of speakers is one Andrew Wakefield.
It seems that it has finally dawned on them that Wakefraud is box office poison outside their cloistered little anti-vax bubble. He’s very good at rousing the party faithful and picking their pockets but in the outside world he is considered the Bernie Madoff of science and medical fraud. Well… there was probably an important UFO conspiracy convention this weekend that he and Polly had to attend.

This does seem to be more geared to the True Believers™ since most of the speakers are so obscure that they will be known only to those who dwell in the anti-vaccine cult’s info-bubble.

Wakefield is in Ireland, I think, I’m a planned but apparently not very successful effort to export Vaxxed there.

But of course, these plans could have beenade differently if they really wanted him in the rally.

He also wasn’t at Kennedy’s and De Niro’s press conference, now that you mention it.

Travis Schwochert must be up early (for him) this morning, impersonating a Royal Rife kook!

Besides an incredible array of well-done studies showing NO link between vaccines and autism, the 1 in 68 is autism spectrum disorders, not “classical” autism. For instance, Asperger’s was added in 1994 to DSM IV and, obviously increased the numbers, though DSM V has changed the categories. Change the included categories, change the criteria, etc. and the numbers will change.

Age of Autism is now announcing a seven-part video series “Truth About Vaccines” to start April 12 (http://www.ageofautism.com/2017/03/the-greatest-health-debate-of-the-21st-century-truth-about-vaccines-series-starts-411.html ). You should get lots of mileage from it.

As for GMOs. I have NO problem with GMOs in general. I am aware of the history of how corn came about, my dog, etc. But these involved splicing and dicing a clumsy group of genes from like/similar species. All that GMOs do is to pick the specific genes sought, so, for instance, they could create German Shepherds without hip displasias, that is, only using the desired genes. However, using xenogenes that would NEVER in a million years have entered into some species is more questionable. I refer to Bacillus thuringiensis toxin used in certain agricultural products. The so-called safety tests for these were short term, mainly on rats. As you know, DES used by mothers caused cervical cancers 20 years later in their daughters. And there are some studies indicating that BT may not be as safe as claimed. However, once in environment, it is there for a long time. I believe in the precautionary principle, that is, before releasing something into the environment that reasonable studies of safety are done. According to my reading, this is not the case with BT. In addition, insects are already showing resistance to it, so it will remain in the environment and insects will mutate around it. I am NOT asking for absolute proof of anything; but short term studies of GMOs with xenogene are unsatisfactory.

The real leon maliniak ( found here) was actually good for a chuckle or three, unlike the tedious Travis J. Schwochert.

I’ll give Travis this: he has made numerous attempts at relatively original argument, unlike the exceedingly tedious grinning idiot.

If William Thompson has gone silent then maybe they should subpoena him and make him talk under the oath.

@Anonymous Pseudonym, I agree with you re: Microsoft. I bought my current laptop at the start of 2015. I feel that I should have installed Linux Ubuntu on it the moment I got it.

I suppose we should be grateful that Kent Heckenlively’s speech/rant comes off as so unhinged and self-serving (what with references to “villains” and “evil”, and promoting his book).

Not to mention the ALL CAPS. Internet tradition holds that, unless you are on such an old keyboard that you can’t use lower case characters, that constitutes shouting. And I’m not sure there are any such keyboards still in use in the US–even the National Weather Service no longer issues bulletins in ALL CAPS, and they were one of the last holdouts for this very reason.

They may be sending a check to Charlie Manson in his cell for all they know.

The Paypal donations go to the “Vaccine-Injury Awareness League,” as do those from v-ial.org, which claims 501(c)(3) status. That coughs up EIN 47-3018845, in Culver City, California. Looks to be Michelle Maher Ford.

I haven’t found any Forms 990, but I’m still on my first pot of coffee.

Mother Nature is trying to tell these cranks something.

Maybe it will rain so much, they’ll have to postpone their march for 24 hours, Mom Nat thus pushing it to the day on which it belongs.

even the National Weather Service no longer issues bulletins in ALL CAPS

Even the RTTY broadcasts?

#12 Dorit – Thanks. It’s too bad they seem to be marginalizing Wakefraud as I was taking great pleasure in seeing the anti-vaccine cult completely co-opted and taken over as nothing more than an advertising arm for Wakefraud’s video – Vaxxed.
It was hilarious to see all the drones mindlessly posting messages that were essentially ads for Wakefraud & Co’s product at the expense of all the other anti-vaccine clubs. I imagine those club’s incomes dropped while Wakefield & Co. are busy relentlessly picking the pockets of the faithful – “Please buy 10 tickets even if you don’t plan on attending just to “line Andy’s pockets” “stick it to The Man.”
Hopefully the media recognizes this for what it is and ignores it.
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#19 Narad – Thank you, too. Interesting. I look forward to anything you can find out about these scammers. Who the hell is Michelle Maher Ford? Why would anyone send money to a stranger who could be the crazy cat lady down the street?
It seems the way to make it through life is to attach yourself to an alt group and then create a 501(c)(3) org. with you and a few friends as officers and then beg for money on teh internets.
I’m surprised loons like Judy Mikovits haven’t formed their own orgs to pick the pockets of the faithful.
Grifters gotta’ grift.

Well, they do have Del Bigtree speaking, so there will be representation for the Vaxxed team. I think they now split up to do things.

I suppose there’s something ironic about being an antivaccine insurance broker, particularly given that Obananacare is the thin edge of the wedge for forced vaccination.

Silly me, I forgot to check Pattimmy’s joint, which is apparently no longer a one-“man” operation. Get this:

One of the important activities social activists involved in the anti-vaccine movement have achieved is the outright elimination of racial strife.

Whether or not Thompson gave Hooker data, Hooker’s now retracted reanalysis says under the methods section:
Cohort data were obtained directly as a “restricted access data set” from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) via a Data Use Agreement. Data were deidentified by the CDC in accordance with Family Education Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA) and the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) prior to receipt by the study authors.
I always point this out to anti-vaxxers who claim the CDC destroyed the data purported to show a link between the MMR vaccine and autism.

They may be sending a check to Charlie Manson in his cell for all they know.

That would be preferable. After all, he killed fewer people.

A GREAT DEBT IS OWED TO ROBERT KENNEDY, JR., WHO COULD HAVE HAD A QUIET, PEACEFUL LIFE, TRYING TO GET MERCURY OUT OF FISH

Given his obvious level of scientific competence, I expect he’d also be trying to extract sunlight from cucumbers.

Surprised no one has noticed the appeal to authority in the Revolution for Truth. There is the obvious “tea party” reference by citing the man who is famous for “I cannot tell a lie” when he cut down a tree that did not exisit in the colonies, , George Washington was pro variolation. He was criticized for assuring that the regular army was innoculated from small pox during the blockade of Boston.

If William Thompson has gone silent then maybe they should subpoena him and make him talk under the oath.

Who are “they,” what authority do they have to issue subpoenas, and where are “they” going to have Thompson testify?

Heckenlively is absolutely right: this is a fight for the survival of humanity. Now more the ever, considering the development of vaccines designed to alter human DNA, along with the increasingly escalating vaccine schedule.

Seems like there is a constant a pro-vax/anti-vax round-robin, designed to control the vaccine opposition. E.g., focusing on autism as the main concern, when it’s actually just the tip of the iceberg. Dr. Thompson is a limited hangout. Even if a congressional hearing is eventually forced by public pressure, it’ll just be a whitewash.

The “safer vaccine” idea operates to control the opposition. It diverts attention from the fundamentally flawed and fraudulent foundation of the entire vaccine paradigm–which is not about keeping people healthy at all. Not that the typical doctor realizes that–they have a lifetime of indoctrination in vaccine psyence, just like everyone else. But at some point, willful blindness surely becomes impossible. Maybe that’s one reason doctors have such a high suicide rate.

They may be sending a check to Charlie Manson in his cell for all they know.

That would be preferable. After all, he killed fewer people.

<pedantry>That would be none, at least that are known; he stayed home for the murders.</pedantry>

Being South African, Mr Heckenlively’s comparison of himself to Madeba (ie. Nelson Mandela) is complete and utter gardge. These anti-vaxxer’s inflated opinions of themselves is beyond all realms of reality. Another Nelson Mandela my FOOT!

OOPs this should read:-

Being a South African myself, Mr Heckenlively’s comparison of himself to Madeba (ie. Nelson Mandela) is complete and utter gardge. These anti-vaxxer’s inflated opinions of themselves is beyond all realms of reality. Another Nelson Mandela my FOOT!

NWO Troll: “Heckenlively is absolutely right: this is a fight for the survival of humanity.”

More ironic hilarity from the fool that thinks that children should continue to suffer up to two weeks dealing with itchy open wounds because she can’t be bothered to get a shingles vaccine. I am pretty positive she is older than 24 years old, and actually had chicken pox, so is a candidate for shingles. So like a ghoul she encourages parents to let their kids actually get sick.

My youngest got the actual disease when she was six months old in 1994. The vaccine was introduced in the USA in 1995.

…the fundamentally flawed and fraudulent foundation of the entire vaccine paradigm–

We await with bated breath stories of your idyllic days home from school with smallpox, diphtheria, tetanus, and rabies, which were no big deal and left you with a stronger immune system….

NWO @39: ” the development of vaccines designed to alter human DNA”

What vaccine is that? I am not familiar with a vaccine to alter human DNA. Can you please be more specific?

I once read a book about a B&B with a hole to hell int he basement. The hole talked to itself, and all its dialog was presented in BLOCK CAPS.

I’m not saying that Mr Heckenlively is a portal to the infernal pit, but there is a certain similarity.

NWO Reporter (#39) writes,

Heckenlively is absolutely right: this is a fight for the survival of humanity.

MJD says,

I’m cozy with a vaccine if it states, “not manufactured with natural rubber latex”.

Small steps NWO Reporter, small steps…

Ian @48: See, this is why I was confused by NWO’s statement. Are they talking about a DNA-based vaccine (where the DNA is the thing you’re injecting) or genetic engineering using a viral vector?

So, nope, haven’t got any papers like that at all. I think it’s been done experimentally, for genetic engineering, but that’s way outside my area of expertise. (When you say nuclear DNA do you mean of any given cell, or of the germ line?)

Currently there are no DNA vaccines licensed in the western world for humans. The most promising first cab off the rank for a Zika virus is likely to be an inactivated virus.

There is a DNA vaccine licensed for use in animals. The way it works is that genes for specific viral external proteins are placed on a plasmid that is then injected into muscle. The plasmid genes are expressed within the cell and the proteins produced are transported to the muscle cell membrane where they induce the antibody response. The DNA in the plasmid is not incorporated into the host nuclear DNA.

There are quite a few advantages of this approach to vaccination. There is less material required per vaccination, the antigen presentation is slower to develop and last for longer, decreasing the need for boosters. DNA is much easier to transport and look after than protein-based vaccines.

You guys are overthinking it. When a mindless idiot like NWO-troll blathers about “altering your DNA”. DNA is just a buzzword gleaned from newspapers. They don’t know DNA from DRM. All they (think they) know is that vaccines are injected “directly into your bloodstream”, that this pollutes your precious bodily fluids, that your blood is the same as your “bloodline”, and that “polluting” it will harm future generations.

The fact that literally every detail of this is laughably untrue matters not to them. Purity of Essence™ is everything.

I agree with The Rev’. Their complaints are far more likely to be about precious bodily fluids. This foreign DNA bit comes up frequently and any time I’ve seen it, it has always been about odd bits of DNA from culture media. They seem unaware of the fact that actual chunks of bovine and porcine flesh get implanted into humans, or even that whole blood or WBC products contain oodles of DNA from someone else.

There’s been lots of work on DNA vaccines, but unfortunately success as been nearly zero. One issue (not, as I dubiously understand it, the reason why they haven’t been successful) is that a special blaster is required to get the DNA actually into vaccinee cells.

A friend is the director of communications at the World Mercury Project. https://worldmercuryproject.org/our-team/

I’m thinking about starting the “World Natural-Latex Project”.

@ Orac’s minions,

Would this be a copycat organization or are there multiple problems with vaccine components and packaging?

If Heckenlively wants to compare himself to Nelson Mandela, he should spend the next 27 years in prison. Not a bad idea in any case.

your blood is the same as your “bloodline”, and that “polluting” it will harm future generations.

The word “Aryan” is always there in the sub-text.

Your article mentions Sherrie Saunders and her anti-vax notoriety.

She has other hobbies, like chemtrails and anti-child welfare interests.

I became associated with her because of her support of the parents of Baby Holm which continues to develop in Alabama, where she is.

She appears to be closely associated with the people behind the Medical Kidnap organization.

I have been lured into following and reporting on the Baby Holm case, in opposition to Sherrie and her Medical Kidnap people.

I have a FaceBook group for that at:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1425578747477117/

Dr. Margulis is the daughter of Lynn Margulis, a once reputable biologist, who turned into a nutcase in her declining years (HIV/AIDS denier among other issues). The acorn didn’t fall far from the tree.

RLBaty, I’m curious — what is the Baby Holm case? A quick google search only turned up sites of . . . shall we say, dubious impartiality. (Mostly the Medical Kidnap group.) I can’t follow the Facebook link at work.

@ Calli Arcale

You asked what the “Baby Holm” case is about.

A couple of nature loving transients (not poor people, just yuppie types who thought they would travel around), thought it would be cute to have a baby in Cheaha State Park, in Cleburne County, AL.

They tried, but couldn’t quite pull it off and wound up at the hospital where the State took custody of the baby and they’ve been trying to make a cause out of it since October.

Lots of different angles to the story, and it’s the sovereign citizen angle that attracted me as explained in this article I posted:

http://kehvrlb.com/kents-brady-byrum-meddling-in-baby-holm-case

Of course, the case isn’t what the sovcit promoters and the Medical Kidnap people make it out to be, which is one reason why I set up the FaceBook group previously referenced. We have a lot of good people in that group; many from Cleburne County, and I think we’ve done a pretty good job of exposing the False Holm Narrative for what it is; among other things.

@Calli Arcale: apparently, the parents are “free spirits” and also sovereign citizen types, who live in a tent and wander the country. She labored for 2 days before going to the hospital. They refused to fill out birth certificate/SSN info for the baby. I don’t know (though, from experience in VA and NJ) Alabama, but generally a mother with no prenatal care is going to have drug testing done, and the baby will be held if it’s positive.
Apparently there are other concerns about housing and things. (What I could figure out from various sites – I can’t get onto FB at work either)

(What I could figure out from various sites – I can’t get onto FB at work either)

There was even a federal case. The Dropbox links aren’t working on my current setup, but I’ll take a look after I get back from an appointment.

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I think everybody over the age of 18 should be given the option of getting a shingles vaccine,if they have had chicken pox.This business of suggesting the vaccine just to people over 60 is complete and utter BS.Most of us here know chicken pox is not a benign disease.I had chicken pox at age seven.I had heart complications,nearly died,and spent over a week in the hospital.I had shingles twice before I as forty.

This might be of interest to some of you:

RFK Jr. A disgrace to science

If you were one of the few children who have chickenpox complications, doesn’t that suggest you might also be less likely than a typical child to benefit from the vaccine, given your inability to mount a normal, healthy immune response? The vaccine does have a fairly high failure rate.

There has never been any real dispute that the vast majority of children who contract chickenpox do not experience any complications. That was one major point of debate before the vaccine was licensed–whether the risks of chickenpox outweigh the risks inherent in vaccination. The most powerful voices in that decision would undoubtedly be vaccine manufacturers and others with conflicts of interests.

There is a big question about whether the chickenpox vaccine will do anything whatsoever to prevent shingles. The vaccine contains a live weakened strain of the chickenpox virus that causes an infection that produces no symptoms. That means the virus could re-emerge later in life to cause shingles.

But why worry? Sure, the rate of shingles has increased since the vaccine came out. But the only rational conclusion is that we need more and more and more vaccines for everyone!

I agree, Roger. Especially if the person had chicken pox as an infant, because they are more likely to get shingles at a younger age.

By the way, age sixty is the minimum age it would typically get paid by health insurance. Our family doctor suggests it to his patients to get it at age fifty. So both my spouse and myself got it a few years ago. We not quite sixty (almost though!).

@ Calli Arcale

Many anti-vaxxers and others are also promoting the False Holm Narrative because one of the things the Baby Holm parents did did at hospital (i.e., no Vit K, no vaccines, no birth certificate, no name, no SSN; they just wanted to get their baby and disappear back into the woods).

Fuck you all – shame on you for trying to sweep our vaccine injured children (we’re the lucky ones – as many if not more are dead as opposed to chronically ill and disabled) under the rug. You don’t have the intelligence to question why questioning vaccine safety gets shut down so hard and fast? Have you read the list of demands? You wouldn’t demand that for your own kids? Your disgusting awful people. Fuck you all.

The rally certainly seems to be a big success… in a purely homeopathic sense of the word “big”.:
Very early Friday:
https://www.statnews.com/2017/03/31/vaccine-skeptic-protest/

Just look at those crowds!!!11!!!!! There must be dozens!!!
… and they all look *ahem* well fed – their immune systems must be amazing!!!

It looks like the weather is cooperating nicely as well.
D.C. hasn’t seen crowds this big since Wendy’s put their double cheeseburgers on sale last month.

oh – i get it – you only approve vax fanatic propaganda comments. cute.

A friend is the director of communications at the World Mercury Project.

The World Mercury Project is very clear – Autism is mercury poisoning, and mercury is the cause of Autism. You claim that Autism is caused by latex in the vaccine packaging.

Is Rita Shreffler wrong? Are you wrong? Are you both right?

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